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If God doesn't exist, does it change any of those things done?

 

You can argue they wouldn't have  happened without God, but the crusades, the wars, etc.. all would have happened because mankind is a greedy selfish small minded beast who always wants what he doesn't have, always acts before thinking and always losses any sense of moralities in large numbers.

 

Look at the flash mob robberies, the beating of people at ball games, the forming of gangs, or fringe political groups.

 

Mankind has  a need for belonging, the reason given for the acts can be religious, political, cultural, sexual or ethical.  Whatever 'reason' is given doesn't change the act being done.

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

What christians call explaining the bible is nothing more than making excuses for the horrible things done in the name of your god.

If the Bible were the fountain of morality as so often claimed, this wouldn't be necessary. If the Bible was inspired by even a slightly superior being, this wouldn't be necessary. The reason it's necessary is because humanity has long surpassed the horrible morality and calls to blind obedience in much of the Bible. Christians have to regularly "apologize" for the parts they choose to ignore but that are nevertheless an embarrassment when brought up by others.

Originally Posted by b50m:

 If God doesn't exist, does it change any of those things done?

 

You can argue they wouldn't have  happened without God, but the crusades, the wars, etc.. all would have happened because mankind is a greedy selfish small minded beast who always wants what he doesn't have, always acts before thinking and always losses any sense of moralities in large numbers.

 

Look at the flash mob robberies, the beating of people at ball games, the forming of gangs, or fringe political groups.

 

Mankind has  a need for belonging, the reason given for the acts can be religious, political, cultural, sexual or ethical.  Whatever 'reason' is given doesn't change the act being done.

Gods don't exists but the belief in them does and it actually does change those horrors from occurring, in real life, in the name of one's god. Without the justifications they found in the Bible and without their belief that the atrocities committed were favored by their god the Inquisition, Crusades, human slavery, most wars, etc. could not have happened with a strongly believed supernatural moral justification.

 

Any kind of god who could write such a mess of a book that is so contradictory and purposely confusing that to this day no one agrees with on meaning and then eternally punishes those who don't understand is no kind of god. Our morality evolves independent of gods. I bet what was accepted to get you into heaven 100 or 1000 years ago is no longer good enough today because we put our modern understanding of the world and advanced ethical ideas into play in order to interpret ancient holy books and make sense of the old gibberish.

The flash mobs are just a taste of what atheistic can do to a society. Adot you birds are doing a good job with re-inventing morality. What are you going to do next with your Godless approach. I’m not exactly putting every atheistic in the same cesspool of evil intention as yourself but you are counter to a healthy society and if the world don’t wake up and start holding the likes of you and unoi accountable for criminal indifference and high crimes against society, including child abuse, only God can help us by hastening the day of judgment. So let it bode.

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

So where in that verse does it answer the question I posed to Jenifer? Did Jesus ever command His followers to kill unbelievers or did He say to love them?

 

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The argument is ALWAYS he didn't mean what he said. You can post passages and verses all day long and christians will still say they don't mean what they plainly say. Just like you argue that the vengeful god is in the ot, yet still cling to the parts of the ot that suit you (the you being christians as a whole).

Matthew 5:17

What He said was very clear, Christians would be persecuted for their belief in Christ.

 

You are also unable to provide and specific examples of any horrible things 1st Century Christians did as you claimed.

 

A lot of atheists say their disbelief comes strictly from reason, logic, and nothing more. Making broad unsupported statements reflects neither of those. I was dragged to a Church of Christ in the Shoals three times a week, every week. I remember when I first started to doubt that God even existed. So even though you may not admit it, I know exactly why you post here, and it has nothing to do with reason or logic.

Gods don't exists but the belief in them does and it actually does change those horrors from occurring, in real life, in the name of one's god. Without the justifications they found in the Bible and without their belief that the atrocities committed were favored by their god the Inquisition, Crusades, human slavery, most wars, etc. could not have happened with a strongly believed supernatural moral justification.

 

Any kind of god who could write such a mess of a book that is so contradictory and purposely confusing that to this day no one agrees with on meaning and then eternally punishes those who don't understand is no kind of god. Our morality evolves independent of gods. I bet what was accepted to get you into heaven 100 or 1000 years ago is no longer good enough today because we put our modern understanding of the world and advanced ethical ideas into play in order to interpret ancient holy books and make sense of the old gibberish.



Crusades were for power. Using God as the reason was to control the armies and force them to carry out the acquisitions. Slavery in the Bible is not the slavery of today. We have changed the interpretations of the Bible to fit today. It is necessary since very few people 'have as s es to covet', literally. To really understand the Bible, you have to interpret the meaning of the scriptures at the time they were written. Take 'profane'. In the original concept, 'profane' meant words spoken out side of church, therefore not sacred. It was not swearing.However, as time passed, profane morphed into profanity and included anything found repulsive by society.


(a.) Not sacred or holy; not possessing peculiar sanctity; unconsecrated; hence, relating to matters other than sacred; secular; -- opposed to sacred, religious, or inspired; as, a profane place.

Originally Posted by A. Robustus:

b,

Any kind of god with the power/knowledge/wisdom to have created existence would not have written a manual that was so pedestrian and outdated within generations in need of constant reinterpretation. The Bible is a human product through and through as is the US Constitution, just not as good or profound.

It was written vaguely for that very purpose. It either had to apply only at the time of it writings or had to be able to apply to any time. Does not science constantly up date and review findings as new things are discovered? Science evolves with the modern world. So does the Bible. The basic rules and moralities never change, just in their applications to a new situation.

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

Nash, I don't really care how you were raised. I've said over and over why I post here, and there are no deep dark secrets about it. But you go ahead and make up my life as you want to see it. That's what christians like you do best when you run into people that just don't believe in your or anyone elses' god.

 

Everyone knows why you and other non-believers post here, even if you don't admit it. I'm not making up anything about you. Your words are your words.

 

Personally, I don't care if you believe in God or not. That's your personal business and not mine.

 

There was another poster here a few years ago that said the same things you did. He went as far as to send letters to different newspaper editors across the state. He was focused on one thing, how evil God is and how he hated everything Christian.

 

He is no longer with us and that thought bothers me. Not that he didn't believe in God, but he left this life in anger when he should have left in peace.

 

If you don't believe in God, good for you. I'm not here to convince you otherwise. Move on and find peace in your life.

First of all I have peace and happiness in my life. What seems strange to me is that you and other christians don't seem to have that peace and happiness you claim your belief gives you. I don't send letters and I don't say I hate your god. You can't hate something that doesn't exist. And yes, you, like most christians here, disregard the things atheists say and make up their lives to suit the way you wished we lived. You use that line because you just won't admit the fact that happiness is in being free of superstitions and fears. Your life is wasted worrying if you're "worthy" of the love of a mythical being. Do you call that happiness? Whatever you went through growing up isn't the same that others went through. If something scarred you that's sad, but your life story is your's and you can't put it off on others. You will never convince me that you cared one bit about an atheist and if he lived or died and I kinda doubt that person even existed.  I've said this before, the arguments you and other christians use are like the race card, pulled out when you feel you're losing the debate or whatever.  The TD owns this forum, not you. Maybe it's you that needs to move on. And if you don't like what I post-don't read it. How hard is that?

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

First of all I have peace and happiness in my life. What seems strange to me is that you and other christians don't seem to have that peace and happiness you claim your belief gives you. I don't send letters and I don't say I hate your god. You can't hate something that doesn't exist. And yes, you, like most christians here, disregard the things atheists say and make up their lives to suit the way you wished we lived. You use that line because you just won't admit the fact that happiness is in being free of superstitions and fears. Your life is wasted worrying if you're "worthy" of the love of a mythical being. Do you call that happiness? Whatever you went through growing up isn't the same that others went through. If something scarred you that's sad, but your life story is your's and you can't put it off on others. You will never convince me that you cared one bit about an atheist and if he lived or died and I kinda doubt that person even existed.  I've said this before, the arguments you and other christians use are like the race card, pulled out when you feel you're losing the debate or whatever.  The TD owns this forum, not you. Maybe it's you that needs to move on. And if you don't like what I post-don't read it. How hard is that?

I'm sorry my post upset you so much. It was simply my honest observations from what you've written. Nothing you wrote bothered me. I'm sorry what I wrote bothered you. Using your own advice, you don't have to read it. I never made up anything about your life, I simply made observations using your own words. Maybe you should ask yourself why it hits such a nerve.

 

I'll end it there, I think this thread has passed the point of diminishing returns.

I'm sorry my post upset you so much. It was simply my honest observations from what you've written. Nothing you wrote bothered me. I'm sorry what I wrote bothered you. Using your own advice, you don't have to read it. I never made up anything about your life, I simply made observations using your own words. Maybe you should ask yourself why it hits such a nerve.

 

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I know why it upsets you. I won't allow you to put your shortcomings onto me. Sorry your belief isn't working out for you, and yes, by all means end it-you've lost. Maybe one day you'll find someone weak and gullible enough to buy your line of BS.

Actually. it was, and he has passed away. Almost two years ago. RIP David.

 

In Memorium,David Miles

It is with deepest regrets that I must pass on that my friend and fellow atheist David Miles died on November 4th after a brief illness.

David Miles was one of the most prolific letter-writers I have ever known. He helped me immensely with the Freethinker’s Letter-Writing Cooperative. His letter-writing skills were amazing and he always had a way of making his points to the readers of newspapers across the Southeast.

David was a Member of American Atheists and his contributions to the cause will be greatly missed. I will miss him at the American Atheist Convention this year and I will miss our email exchanges, but mostly I will miss his friendship. David’s afterlife will be living on in my memories and the memories of everyone that he knew in his life.

You can read many of his letters online:

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1709,n,n

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/...e+class.-a0147057294

http://psysim.www7.50megs.com/annstar031907.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/arti..._200204/ai_n9058441/

http://blog.al.com/birmingham-...ols_hit_up_pare.html

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps...71214/NEWS/712140305

Goodbye David! You will be missed by many.

Originally Posted by NashBama:
Originally Posted by Jennifer:

Nash, I don't really care how you were raised. I've said over and over why I post here, and there are no deep dark secrets about it. But you go ahead and make up my life as you want to see it. That's what christians like you do best when you run into people that just don't believe in your or anyone elses' god.

 

Everyone knows why you and other non-believers post here, even if you don't admit it. I'm not making up anything about you. Your words are your words.

 

Personally, I don't care if you believe in God or not. That's your personal business and not mine.

 

There was another poster here a few years ago that said the same things you did. He went as far as to send letters to different newspaper editors across the state. He was focused on one thing, how evil God is and how he hated everything Christian.

 

He is no longer with us and that thought bothers me. Not that he didn't believe in God, but he left this life in anger when he should have left in peace.

 

If you don't believe in God, good for you. I'm not here to convince you otherwise. Move on and find peace in your life.

If the church people would stay out of our lives, it might be possible to find some peace. Keep your religion to yourself and you will never hear from another atheist. When the atheists take over and put "In God we trust? Hell no!" on your money, then, maybe, you will know what they feel like. Until then, shut up and mind your own business.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
 

If the church people would stay out of our lives, it might be possible to find some peace. Keep your religion to yourself and you will never hear from another atheist. When the atheists take over and put "In God we trust? Hell no!" on your money, then, maybe, you will know what they feel like. Until then, shut up and mind your own business.

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You're on a religious forum telling believers to shut up and go away?

Everything is peaceful without you, you should mind your own business.

This is religion,,,nothing for you here, cry baby. You're only here to

disrupt. Atheists will never take over anything.

 

Yes, Atheists do care if people believe in God. Why else would they hate

believers talking about it.

 

you're sick jimi

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Originally Posted by b50m:

Actually. it was, and he has passed away. Almost two years ago. RIP David.

 

In Memorium,David Miles

It is with deepest regrets that I must pass on that my friend and fellow atheist David Miles died on November 4th after a brief illness.

David Miles was one of the most prolific letter-writers I have ever known. He helped me immensely with the Freethinker’s Letter-Writing Cooperative. His letter-writing skills were amazing and he always had a way of making his points to the readers of newspapers across the Southeast.

David was a Member of American Atheists and his contributions to the cause will be greatly missed. I will miss him at the American Atheist Convention this year and I will miss our email exchanges, but mostly I will miss his friendship. David’s afterlife will be living on in my memories and the memories of everyone that he knew in his life.

You can read many of his letters online:

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1709,n,n

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/...e+class.-a0147057294

http://psysim.www7.50megs.com/annstar031907.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/arti..._200204/ai_n9058441/

http://blog.al.com/birmingham-...ols_hit_up_pare.html

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps...71214/NEWS/712140305

Goodbye David! You will be missed by many.


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I read this man's letters and then to be sure, read them again. Nash, could you read them and point out the "hate" you claimed this man had?

Originally Posted by b50m:

Actually. it was, and he has passed away. Almost two years ago. RIP David.

 

In Memorium,David Miles

It is with deepest regrets that I must pass on that my friend and fellow atheist David Miles died on November 4th after a brief illness.

David Miles was one of the most prolific letter-writers I have ever known. He helped me immensely with the Freethinker’s Letter-Writing Cooperative. His letter-writing skills were amazing and he always had a way of making his points to the readers of newspapers across the Southeast.

David was a Member of American Atheists and his contributions to the cause will be greatly missed. I will miss him at the American Atheist Convention this year and I will miss our email exchanges, but mostly I will miss his friendship. David’s afterlife will be living on in my memories and the memories of everyone that he knew in his life.

You can read many of his letters online:

http://richarddawkins.net/article,1709,n,n

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/...e+class.-a0147057294

http://psysim.www7.50megs.com/annstar031907.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/arti..._200204/ai_n9058441/

http://blog.al.com/birmingham-...ols_hit_up_pare.html

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps...71214/NEWS/712140305

Goodbye David! You will be missed by many.

I mourn David's passing.  I knew him online.  He was a good guy.

 

DF

Nash,

 

 

With regard to our discussion regarding recycled Jesus, I would suggest this site: http://www.bringyou.to/apologe...iedSaviors.htm#Horus

 

This site is not unfriendly to Christians.

 

As I've said, Jesus was not the literal reincarnation of any one particular ancient god, but the Jesus Story is a bit of this, and a bit of that.  Let's remember that the written accounts of Jesus were the works of the Greeks.  The oral stories made their way there before they were written down.  The Greeks were well aware of the myriad of godmen.
Note that Jesus was not entirely similar to any particular ancient god, but had qualities of many of them, especially Dionysus.

 

If you read Karen Armstrong and Bart Ehrman, both clerics before their scholarly examinations of biblical history, you might glean that the Jesus Story was an amalgam of ancient hero myths wrapped around yet another Jewish messiah.

The historical record of Jesus, miracles and all, is disappointingly poor.  One would think that the journalists of the time and place, of which there were several, would have been somewhat more earnest in their reporting of such a profound character.  They were not.

The reasonable conclusion is that the myth of Jesus was exaggerated from the time of his death until the Gospels were written decades later in Greece.  The Greek writers would not have bothered if he had not the qualities of the gods and prophets with which they were familiar.  And if they were simply hired to write Jesus' story, they would not insult him without such attributes as virgin birth, miracles, resurrection, etc. in the fashion of all the other gods with which they were familiar.

 

In historic times, one must imagine that miraculous stories were common.  Right?

 

DF

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
 

If the church people would stay out of our lives, it might be possible to find some peace. Keep your religion to yourself and you will never hear from another atheist. When the atheists take over and put "In God we trust? Hell no!" on your money, then, maybe, you will know what they feel like. Until then, shut up and mind your own business.

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You're on a religious forum telling believers to shut up and go away?

Everything is peaceful without you, you should mind your own business.

This is religion,,,nothing for you here, cry baby. You're only here to

disrupt. Atheists will never take over anything.

 

Yes, Atheists do care if people believe in God. Why else would they hate

believers talking about it.

 

Tell me again about minding my own business jammaboy.

 

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Originally Posted by Jennifer

 

I know why it upsets you. I won't allow you to put your shortcomings onto me. Sorry your belief isn't working out for you, and yes, by all means end it-you've lost. Maybe one day you'll find someone weak and gullible enough to buy your line of BS.

No anger or hatred there, right?

 

It doesn't bother me at all if you hate Christians or Christianity. That's your choice. I don't hate you or anyone else on here.

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

Nash,

With regard to our discussion regarding recycled Jesus, I would suggest this site: http://www.bringyou.to/apologe...iedSaviors.htm#Horus

This site is not unfriendly to Christians.

As I've said, Jesus was not the literal reincarnation of any one particular ancient god, but the Jesus Story is a bit of this, and a bit of that.  Let's remember that the written accounts of Jesus were the works of the Greeks.  The oral stories made their way there before they were written down.  The Greeks were well aware of the myriad of godmen.
Note that Jesus was not entirely similar to any particular ancient god, but had qualities of many of them, especially Dionysus.

If you read Karen Armstrong and Bart Ehrman, both clerics before their scholarly examinations of biblical history, you might glean that the Jesus Story was an amalgam of ancient hero myths wrapped around yet another Jewish messiah.

The historical record of Jesus, miracles and all, is disappointingly poor.  One would think that the journalists of the time and place, of which there were several, would have been somewhat more earnest in their reporting of such a profound character.  They were not.

The reasonable conclusion is that the myth of Jesus was exaggerated from the time of his death until the Gospels were written decades later in Greece.  The Greek writers would not have bothered if he had not the qualities of the gods and prophets with which they were familiar.  And if they were simply hired to write Jesus' story, they would not insult him without such attributes as virgin birth, miracles, resurrection, etc. in the fashion of all the other gods with which they were familiar.

In historic times, one must imagine that miraculous stories were common.  Right?

DF

 

 

Let's go back to the original question. You asked me a yes or no question. I responded with a yes. Now I'm asking one in return. I haven't seen a yes or no to it yet. I've actually asked several, but you've seem to side step them. So let's start with just one.

 

Do you believe that the story of Mithra says he was born to a virgin on December 25th?

 

 

 

I know why it upsets you. I won't allow you to put your shortcomings onto me. Sorry your belief isn't working out for you, and yes, by all means end it-you've lost. Maybe one day you'll find someone weak and gullible enough to buy your line of BS.

No anger or hatred there, right?

 

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From you maybe, from me no. It just is what it is.

(Oh you hate christians and christianity)

 

That's the last trick in the christian's "bag-o-tricks", and it simply doesn't work. IF I hated all christians I wouldn't have one bit of trouble saying so. BTW, B listed a few links to posts. Is that the man you claimed was so full of hate, or did you have someone else in mind? I read the posts and didn't see any hatred or anything even bordering on hatred in them.

Originally Posted by NashBama

 

Do you believe that the story of Mithra says he was born to a virgin on December 25th?

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Nash, I answered this earlier.  There is no definitive answer to this.  I found some site that says yes, others (typically from Christian sites) that say no.  I will agree that continuing to insist that he was born on Decempber 25th probably does not advance the cause.

 

But what is very clear from deep history is that December 25th was celebrated as a holiday and other gods were "born" on this date.  What is perfectly clear is that the early Christians muffled and adopted the customs of other regions as it evolved.  In short, there is very little about Christianity that was new to the world at the time.  In fact, I can't think of ANY custom or practice that was not pre-existent.  Can you?

 

 

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

 read the posts and didn't see any hatred or anything even bordering on hatred in them.

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Jennifer you silly girl.  Christians interpret "disagreement" as "hate."  It must be in their holy book somewhere.

You nailed it, though: I also would have no hesitation saying I "hate" someone here.  I truly despise only two people here.  Everyone else is just a DEBATE OPPONENT and nothing more. 

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

(Oh you hate christians and christianity)

 

That's the last trick in the christian's "bag-o-tricks", and it simply doesn't work. IF I hated all christians I wouldn't have one bit of trouble saying so. BTW, B listed a few links to posts. Is that the man you claimed was so full of hate, or did you have someone else in mind? I read the posts and didn't see any hatred or anything even bordering on hatred in them.

Jenn, do you have Christian customers at your business?

If so do you hate to take their monies?

Maybe you have an atheistic supply store or sumpthing.

You know bumper stickers. Coffee cups, t-shirts, coat hangers, quip pocket books, 16x20’s of dawkins, you know, the usual stuff.


 

No, I don't believe Mithra was born on Dec. 25th.  Specifics of Mithra's birth are lost in antiquity.  However, the Romans celebrated his birth on Dec. 25th.  That day, which had astrological significance, was most likely assigned to Mithra, same as Jesus.

 

Regarding virgin birth, who knows?  But it's certain that his birth was in some fashion miraculous.  All the ancient godmen had miraculous births.  It would be unseemingly pedestrian not to.

 

One account: http://www.farvardyn.com/mithras.php

 

The Mithrain legend is very old, as old as the 14th Century BCE.  Over centuries of pre-literate times, there could have been several co-existent legends about his birth.  Some say he was born out of a rock, others simply out of sunlight http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/...ions/shabe_yalda.htm

 

http://hinduworld.tripod.com/history/mithra.html  for more info.

 

Seems Mithra was the son of Ahura Mazda, the Supreme God at the time.  That sounds familiar.  The phrase "born of a rock" may be a translation of "born in a rock" as he was said to be born in a cave.

 

So, no, I do not claim that Mithra was born of a virgin on Dec. 25.  The myth of Mithra, like Jesus, is malleable and fluid, highly subject to change from what infinitesimal kernal of truth that might ever have existed.

 

DF

It has always been know that religious holidays overlapped with secular ones.  All dates are chosen arbitrarily for any deity. Jesus never said to celebrate his birth only his resurrection, thus the JW version.

 

The History of Christmas

It is believed that the first celebrations of Christ's birth were originally grouped together with Epiphany, one of the earliest feasts of the Christian church observed on January 6. This holiday recognized the manifestation of Christ to the Gentiles by remembering the visit of the Magi (wise men) to Bethlehem and, in some traditions, the baptism of Jesus and his miracle of turning water into wine. Today the feast of Epiphany is observed predominately in liturgical denominations such as Eastern Orthodox, Anglican and Catholic.

Even as far back as the second and third centuries, we know church leaders disagreed about the appropriateness of birthday celebrations within the Christian church. Some men like Origen, felt birthdays were pagan rituals for pagan gods. And since the date of Christ's actual birth had not been recorded, these early leaders speculated and argued about the date.

Some sources report that Theophilus of Antioch (ca. 171-183) was the first to identify December 25 as the birth date of Christ. Others say that Hippolytus (ca. 170-236) was the first to claim that Jesus was born on December 25. A strong theory suggests that this date was eventually chosen by the church because it aligned closely with a major pagan festival, dies natalis solis invicti (birth of the invincible sun god), therefore, allowing the church to claim a new celebration for Christianity.

Ultimately, December 25 was chosen, perhaps as early as 273 AD. By 336 AD the Roman church calender definitively records a nativity celebration by Western Christians on this date. Eastern churches maintained the January 6 commemoration together with Epiphany until sometime in the fifth or sixth centuries when the 25th day of December became the widely accepted holiday. Only the Armenian church maintained the original celebration of Christ's birth with Epiphany on January 6.

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

No, I don't believe Mithra was born on Dec. 25th.  Specifics of Mithra's birth are lost in antiquity.  However, the Romans celebrated his birth on Dec. 25th.  That day, which had astrological significance, was most likely assigned to Mithra, same as Jesus.

 

Regarding virgin birth, who knows?  But it's certain that his birth was in some fashion miraculous.  All the ancient godmen had miraculous births.  It would be unseemingly pedestrian not to.

 

One account: http://www.farvardyn.com/mithras.php

 

The Mithrain legend is very old, as old as the 14th Century BCE.  Over centuries of pre-literate times, there could have been several co-existent legends about his birth.  Some say he was born out of a rock, others simply out of sunlight http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/...ions/shabe_yalda.htm

 

http://hinduworld.tripod.com/history/mithra.html  for more info.

 

Seems Mithra was the son of Ahura Mazda, the Supreme God at the time.  That sounds familiar.  The phrase "born of a rock" may be a translation of "born in a rock" as he was said to be born in a cave.

 

So, no, I do not claim that Mithra was born of a virgin on Dec. 25.  The myth of Mithra, like Jesus, is malleable and fluid, highly subject to change from what infinitesimal kernal of truth that might ever have existed.

 

DF

Thanks for answering. I agree with you.

 

One of the key points in the Jesus/Mithra comparison is that both were born on December 25th. We both agree that neither was born on that date. Therefore, that's one major error.

 

Another key point is that they were both born to a virgin. As you pointed out, Mithra was born out of solid rock or sunlight. Something completely different than being born to a virgin. That's another major error.

 

So can we finally agree that this "theory" is just some random internet BS passed around on the internet and has no historical merit?

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