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I find this interesting, in light of so many getting upset when his middle name was even uttered:

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Originally posted by Carol None:
Since we believe in freedom of religion in the US, should we concern ourselves if someone is Muslim?


Well,considering that less than 10 years ago some Muslims thought it would be cool to fly airplanes into some buildings,and the President is always supposed to have Americas best interest heart and not the interest of not offending a camel humping terrorist I'd say yes.
MSNBC just reported a new tape from Bin Laden - he isn't impressed with Obama. Israel is upset about Obama's muslim roots and his concerned about him not taking a stronger stand on Iran's nukes...

Developing: Al Qaeda chieftain Usama bin Laden warned Americans to "be prepared to receive the consequences" of the Obama and Bush administrations, Al Jazeera TV reported Wednesday.

Bin Laden, in a recorded message broadcast by the Arab news network, said Obama had planted the seeds for "revenge and hatred" toward the United States in the Muslim world, Reuters reported.

The message comes as President Obama arrived in Saudi Arabia, a day ahead of his speech to the Muslim world at Cairo University.


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SAN PEDRO SULA, Honduras -- In a new overture to Iran, the Obama administration has authorized U.S. embassies around the world to invite Iranian officials to Independence Day parties they host on or around July 4.

A State Department cable sent to all U.S. embassies and consulates Friday said U.S. diplomats could ask their Iranian counterparts to attend the festivities, which generally feature speeches about American values, fireworks, and, of course, hot dogs and hamburgers.

The posts "may invite representatives from the government of Iran" to the events, a State Department official said Tuesday, quoting from the document. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an internal communication.

It was not clear how many embassies and consulates would invite Iranian diplomats to the July 4 parties or whether any Iranians would accept the invitations.

The cable was first reported by The New York Times.

The move comes amid the administration's ongoing efforts to engage Iran in variety of venues, including formal diplomatic meetings over its nuclear program, violence in Iraq and the situation in Afghanistan.

But Iran has given mixed responses to the overtures, which began early in the administration when President Barack Obama recorded a videotaped greeting to the Iranian people and its leaders for their new year.

Since then, the administration announced that it would be a full participant with Iranian officials in six-nation talks aimed at getting Iran to address concerns about its suspect nuclear program. The U.S. and others accuse Iran of trying to develop nuclear weapons.

Iran maintains it is interested only in a civilian atomic energy program and has refused to accept a package of incentives the U.S. and its partners offered to get it to stop enriching uranium, which can produce the fuel for a nuclear weapon.

In an interview with the British Broadcasting Corp. made public Tuesday, Obama said it is in the world's interest, and Iran's interest, "to set aside ambitions for a nuclear weapon."

Obama also said that, although he didn't want to put "artificial timetables" on diplomacy with Tehran, "we do want to make sure that, by the end of this year, we've actually seen a serious process move forward. And I think that we can measure whether or not the Iranians are serious."

The president said in the interview he believes Iran is more likely to become an "extraordinarily powerful and prosperous country" if it abandons any nuclear weapons ambitions.

The United States also ensured that Iran was invited and attended an international conference on Afghanistan at which Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke and an Iranian official had a brief exchange with a senior American diplomat.

During that meeting in The Hague, U.S. delegates passed an informal note to Iranian officials seeking information about three Americans then missing or detained in Iran.

Last month, Iran released one of the Americans, Iranian-American journalist Roxana Saberi, who was tried and convicted of spying for the United States.

Obama and other U.S. officials have said they do not expect to see much movement from Iran until after the country holds presidential elections in the middle of the month but have sketched a rough deadline of the fall by which they hope to see positive responses to their overtures.
Some of you libs would miss the point if it was directed firmly up your hindquarters. Its got not one thing to do with all Muslims being terrorist. It does however matter where the Presidents sympathies and concerns lie. I don't think he is as concerned with keeping this country safe and free as he is with being popular all over the world.Myself I don't think hes a muslim;I do think he is a pacifist whose policies are dangerous.You left wingers don't agree with me that's fine.I could be and hope that I'm wrong.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Since SOME Christian domestic terrorists think its O.K. to shoot abortion providers during Church services, I guess we need to be wary of the fundie/Evangelicals too.


And SOME Muslims think it's perfectly ok to shot to American soldiers at a recruiting station. Perhaps we should be leary of all the left wing news reporters and U.S. demoncratic congressmen who accuse our soldiers of murder. Oh and let's not forget Oblernan and Rachel Mancow.
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Since SOME Christian domestic terrorists think its O.K. to shoot abortion providers during Church services, I guess we need to be wary of the fundie/Evangelicals too.


Yes, and gay mob terrorists like to attack grandmothers carrying crosses.


It was one woman and no grandmother was killed, now was she? Nor was she physically assaulted. It was a protest. I think you got a little carried away. I want you to give me ONE example of a gay person who opened fire in a church or a bar in the commission of a hate crime.

How about Jordi and Rudolph? "Killers for Christ."

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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Since SOME Christian domestic terrorists think its O.K. to shoot abortion providers during Church services, I guess we need to be wary of the fundie/Evangelicals too.


And SOME Muslims think it's perfectly ok to shot to American soldiers at a recruiting station. Perhaps we should be leary of all the left wing news reporters and U.S. demoncratic congressmen who accuse our soldiers of murder. Oh and let's not forget Oblernan and Rachel Mancow.


I do not get the link between Muslim terrorists and liberals. Fundamentalist Muslims and Fundamentalist Christians share many of the same views with regards to social issues and liberals. Muslim Fundamentalists are not liberals.

Give a link to the Congressman who called U.S. Soldiers "Murderers". I am unable to locate any information on such a charge. Proof please.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Since SOME Christian domestic terrorists think its O.K. to shoot abortion providers during Church services, I guess we need to be wary of the fundie/Evangelicals too.


And SOME Muslims think it's perfectly ok to shot to American soldiers at a recruiting station. Perhaps we should be leary of all the left wing news reporters and U.S. demoncratic congressmen who accuse our soldiers of murder. Oh and let's not forget Oblernan and Rachel Mancow.


I do not get the link between Muslim terrorists and liberals. The link is liberals are sympathetic passifists. Fundamentalist Muslims and Fundamentalist Christians share many of the same views with regards to social issues and liberals. Muslim Fundamentalists are not liberals.

Give a link to the Congressman who called U.S. Soldiers "Murderers". I am unable to locate any information on such a charge. Proof please.


Here ya go> Although I can't believe you haven't heard this before!

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Obama's world view is a danger to the US, not his muslims roots. The idea that America is bad and must apologize for all its horrid deeds, coupled with the apology tour. Our opponents and rivals see this as a sign of weakness. Instead of Obama being everybody's chum, they see him as chum!

As I stated during the elections, Obama's muslim roots are a danger to him personally. Yes, he is a christian, no doubt from me about that. However, as his father was a muslim, his step father took him to mosque and he can recite the muslim declaration of faith in arabic (he did so for a reporter during an interview), many muslims will see him as an apostate. The only remedies that would suit them are an immediate apology and recantation of his christian faith or death.
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Since SOME Christian domestic terrorists think its O.K. to shoot abortion providers during Church services, I guess we need to be wary of the fundie/Evangelicals too.


And SOME Muslims think it's perfectly ok to shot to American soldiers at a recruiting station. Perhaps we should be leary of all the left wing news reporters and U.S. demoncratic congressmen who accuse our soldiers of murder. Oh and let's not forget Oblernan and Rachel Mancow.


I do not get the link between Muslim terrorists and liberals. The link is liberals are sympathetic passifists. Fundamentalist Muslims and Fundamentalist Christians share many of the same views with regards to social issues and liberals. Muslim Fundamentalists are not liberals.

Give a link to the Congressman who called U.S. Soldiers "Murderers". I am unable to locate any information on such a charge. Proof please.


Here ya go> Although I can't believe you haven't heard this before!

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I have read this, and immunity has been granted to several soldiers in exchange for testimony. It did happen. One soldier is still facing charges. Murtha's remarks were based on the charges filed - not pulled out of thin air. The people WERE killed.

"Military officials say Marine Corp photos taken immediately after the incident show many of the victims were shot at close range, in the head and chest, execution-style. One photo shows a mother and young child bent over on the floor as if in prayer, shot dead, said the officials, who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity because the investigation hasn't been completed.

One military official says it appears the civilians were deliberately killed by the Marines, who were outraged at the death of their fellow Marine."

Now, that was *ONE U.S. Congressman's remarks based on the evidence associated with the Massacre in Haditha. Murtha is hardly a "liberal" and is a Veteran himself.

The term "liberal" and "pacifist" are mutually exclusive. A pacifist rejects war under any circumstances. Sometimes it is based on religious belief and sometimes it is a personal philosophy. Historically American liberals are NOT pacifistic. Roosevelt, Truman, Johnson, Kennedy and their congresses were all liberal by definition, yet executed Wars and various military operations. Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter also conducted military operations. More recently, I and a majority of American liberals supported and continue to support the war in Afghanistan AND several supported the run up to war in Iraq. Being against the War and occupation in Iraq does not make one a "pacifist" by definition. There are "conservatives" who also opposed the war in Iraq. Patrick Buchanan being one of the most notable.

The charge that liberals are "sympathetic" to Islamic Fundamentalism is stupid on its face.

*You said "congressmen". You were either wrong, you misspoke or tried to lie.
I see the President Obama haters are alive and well here in politics!! I just find it hillarious!! He is our President and untill all of you who think you could do better get up off your butts and run for the highest office in the land, then he will be our president for eight more years!!!! Big Grin Big Grin Why can't we all just get along!!!!!! Razzer
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Originally posted by Rather-b-fishin:
One military official says it appears the civilians were deliberately killed by the Marines,


Technically,all these terrorist are civilians.We'll never know what they did to motivate the soldiers to assist them in their demise.Sometimes to make an omelette,you got a break a few eggs.


"Shot at close range". Children were also killed. One wonders what they did to motivate the soldiers to "assist them in THEIR demise". You know, it is not unpatriotic to question these killings in Haditha. Apparently there was evidence enough to warrant charges, immunity and an ongoing trial.
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Originally posted by redbull:
I "mistyped". Of course, there are other Demoncat's in Congress who called for our surrender in Iraq and said we had lost the war. Yep, real patriots they are. Roll Eyes


Who called for us to "surrender"? I did hear from Democrats and Republicans that we were "losing" from time to time, and "The Surge" proved that they could have been right. The way the war was executed up until that point was hardly working.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by redbull:
I "mistyped". Of course, there are other Demoncat's in Congress who called for our surrender in Iraq and said we had lost the war. Yep, real patriots they are. Roll Eyes


Who called for us to "surrender"? I did hear from Democrats and Republicans that we were "losing" from time to time, and "The Surge" proved that they could have been right. The way the war was executed up until that point was hardly working.


Good Lord, woman. Watch, read, google the darned news. No wonder you get your facts all screwy. I'm not going to do your work for you. I will give you a hint on this one, next time look up the FACTS yourself. Reid. "The war is lost".
You know, Obama really does need to be careful here. Israel, fundamental Muslim's, left wing, right wing,-for a man who wants/needs approval from everyone, he sure has a lot of folks up in arms. Of course, he's just using his Muslim roots, and everything else he's done for his own political aspirations. I find it amazingly presumptuous of him to think he can solve that region's problems just by his presence. Unless 1. He REALLY is the Messiah or 2. He just thinks he's the Messiah and will really screw things up (my bet is on number 2).
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by redbull:
I "mistyped". Of course, there are other Demoncat's in Congress who called for our surrender in Iraq and said we had lost the war. Yep, real patriots they are. Roll Eyes


Who called for us to "surrender"? I did hear from Democrats and Republicans that we were "losing" from time to time, and "The Surge" proved that they could have been right. The way the war was executed up until that point was hardly working.


Good Lord, woman. Watch, read, google the darned news. No wonder you get your facts all screwy. I'm not going to do your work for you. I will give you a hint on this one, next time look up the FACTS yourself. Reid. "The war is lost".


I know you think that if you say a thing, or strongly believe a thing that it MUST be true. That is not the case. Even in the most casual debate you must present facts to back up an opinion. It is not my job to support YOUR claims.

"The Surge" helped us in Iraq, that is a simple fact which I will accept. Prior to that the Iraq War was not adequately executed. If we had not adjusted our strategy we could have "lost", or at least found ourselves in a far worse situation. Reid's words came before "The Surge".
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Originally posted by Rather-b-fishin:
One military official says it appears the civilians were deliberately killed by the Marines,


Technically,all these terrorist are civilians.We'll never know what they did to motivate the soldiers to assist them in their demise.Sometimes to make an omelette,you got a break a few eggs.



To the civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan our soldiers are "terrorists"; and apparently some of them in fact are; in fact I'm not entirely sure that the previous administration (Bush/Cheney that I voted for by the way) weren't "terroristic" in many ways.
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Originally posted by redbull:
You know, Obama really does need to be careful here. Israel, fundamental Muslim's, left wing, right wing,-for a man who wants/needs approval from everyone, he sure has a lot of folks up in arms. Of course, he's just using his Muslim roots, and everything else he's done for his own political aspirations. I find it amazingly presumptuous of him to think he can solve that region's problems just by his presence. Unless 1. He REALLY is the Messiah or 2. He just thinks he's the Messiah and will really screw things up (my bet is on number 2).


Obama is using a little tool called "diplomacy". Leaders have been using diplomacy since the beginning of organized governments and nation states. He is not the first American President to work on Middle East issues.
The Surge" helped us in Iraq, that is a simple fact which I will accept. Prior to that the Iraq War was not adequately executed. If we had not adjusted our strategy we could have "lost", or at least found ourselves in a far worse situation. Reid's words came before "The Surge".

My point exactly. Reid was ready to surrender Iraq. Now I'm done with this conversation - why can't you stay on topic?
"To the civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan our soldiers are "terrorists"; and apparently some of them in fact are; in fact I'm not entirely sure that the previous administration (Bush/Cheney that I voted for by the way) weren't "terroristic" in many ways."

Cut the relatavistic crapola, "one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist!" I'm certain the SS disliked the US soldiers bumbling into their sacred fatherland, as well.

Perhaps, you should lookup this Iraqi:

"Across the street from the tidy rows of tombstones in the British cemetery, mute testimony to the soldiers of an earlier occupation, Mustafa Muwaffaq bears witness to the quieter side of the United States' six-year-old presence in Iraq.

In wraparound sunglasses, shorts and shoes without socks, the burly 20-year-old student waxes eloquent about his love for heavy metal of all kinds: death, thrash, black. But none of it compares, he says, to the honky-tonk of Alan Jackson, whose tunes he strums on his acoustic guitar at night, pining for a life as far away as a passport will take him.

"You know, I wanna go to Texas and be a country boy," he said, as he stood in the sweltering shade of Baghdad's Academy of Fine Arts. "I wanna be a cowboy, and I wanna sing like one."

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At first, I was concerned about the heavy metal influence, until I realized if anything can subvert the mullahs, that may be the ticket.

R&R was extremely subversive in the old USSR.
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Originally posted by gracies old man:
The main reason for posting this was the hypocrisy. We were chastized for daring to say Obama's middle name, (you can go back and look at all the posts). Now, he seems to embrace his and his father's heritage.

Barak Hussein Obama, now I can post it without repercussion.



Hussein is one of the most common names in the world. I don't remember any controversy over the names Gen.Omar Bradley, or Benjamin Franklin (Bin Yahmen),Gen. John Abizaid, among dozens of others who have Arabic or Semitic names in sports, politics, arts and business. I think the penchant of the Presidents detractors to try and find ANY reason to paint him as a Muslim, is another example of the monkeys in the "Ape House" at the Zoo. They keep throwing their crap at the glass wall, limiting their audience and NEVER hitting their target.
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Originally posted by redbull:
The Surge" helped us in Iraq, that is a simple fact which I will accept. Prior to that the Iraq War was not adequately executed. If we had not adjusted our strategy we could have "lost", or at least found ourselves in a far worse situation. Reid's words came before "The Surge".

My point exactly. Reid was ready to surrender Iraq. Now I'm done with this conversation - why can't you stay on topic?


That was not a call for surrender. It was an admission that we were on the road to failure. We were. Someone should have listened to John McCain earlier about troop levels.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by redbull:
The Surge" helped us in Iraq, that is a simple fact which I will accept. Prior to that the Iraq War was not adequately executed. If we had not adjusted our strategy we could have "lost", or at least found ourselves in a far worse situation. Reid's words came before "The Surge".

My point exactly. Reid was ready to surrender Iraq. Now I'm done with this conversation - why can't you stay on topic?


That was not a call for surrender. It was an admission that we were on the road to failure. We were. Someone should have listened to John McCain earlier about troop levels.


Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by redbull:
The Surge" helped us in Iraq, that is a simple fact which I will accept. Prior to that the Iraq War was not adequately executed. If we had not adjusted our strategy we could have "lost", or at least found ourselves in a far worse situation. Reid's words came before "The Surge".

My point exactly. Reid was ready to surrender Iraq. Now I'm done with this conversation - why can't you stay on topic?


That was not a call for surrender. It was an admission that we were on the road to failure. We were. Someone should have listened to John McCain earlier about troop levels.



Then why won't Obama say the surge worked?

Pride, stupidity, why is he scared to state the truth?
This is a discussion about something totally different, but since I participated in its hijacking, I will end with this:

Intelligent people can still disagree about the effects of "The Surge". It clearly worked to some extent, but it should have been done earlier in the execution of the war. According to Gallup, the American public is divided on whether it worked or not. As it stands, our nation is remains overwhelmingly opposed to the war, but clearly patient as it continues. I do not expect to agree with the President all the time about lots of things. Simply because you don't agree with someone's opinion does not mean they are "stupid", scared to share YOUR truth, or dealing with issues of "pride". They may genuinely disagree based on their view of the war. I remain opposed to the war in Iraq.

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Americans still oppose the war 56% to 42%

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