"Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots"

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
This is a discussion about something totally different, but since I participated in its hijacking, I will end with this:

Intelligent people can still disagree about the effects of "The Surge". It clearly worked to some extent, but it should have been done earlier in the execution of the war. According to Gallup, the American public is divided on whether it worked or not. As it stands, our nation is remains overwhelmingly opposed to the war, but clearly patient as it continues. I do not expect to agree with the President all the time about lots of things. Simply because you don't agree with someone's opinion does not mean they are "stupid", scared to share YOUR truth, or dealing with issues of "pride". They may genuinely disagree based on their view of the war. I remain opposed to the war in Iraq.

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Americans still oppose the war 56% to 42%

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Originally posted by Chow:

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
This is a discussion about something totally different, but since I participated in its hijacking, I will end with this:

Intelligent people can still disagree about the effects of "The Surge". It clearly worked to some extent, but it should have been done earlier in the execution of the war. According to Gallup, the American public is divided on whether it worked or not. As it stands, our nation is remains overwhelmingly opposed to the war, but clearly patient as it continues. I do not expect to agree with the President all the time about lots of things. Simply because you don't agree with someone's opinion does not mean they are "stupid", scared to share YOUR truth, or dealing with issues of "pride". They may genuinely disagree based on their view of the war. I remain opposed to the war in Iraq.

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Americans still oppose the war 56% to 42%

He's applying the surge to Afghanistan but it didn't work in Iraq, (it would be stupid to employ a tactic that didn't work) once again according to him and apparently the ones that voted him in per say to your post.

He's an oxymoron on many levels.

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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:
Once again, religion rears its ugly head. Religions...eh, they are all about the same. I don't really think Obama is religious, though. I think he just had to say that to get elected. You know when you get down to it, there isn't much difference in the christian and the muslim religions. They both have the religious lites, the fundamentalists and the whackos. Hitler was a christian and Bin Laden is a muslim. I don't see how one is worse than the other.

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Originally posted by beternU:
meanasasnake says {QUOTE]I think the penchant of the President's detractors to try and find ANY reason to paint him as a Muslim, is another example of the monkeys in the "Ape House" at the Zoo. They keep throwing their crap at the glass wall, limiting their audience and NEVER hitting their target.{QUOTE]

Right on, perspicacious serpent-like one! A splendid simile, notwithstanding its slight indelicacy!

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:
Once again, religion rears its ugly head. Religions...eh, they are all about the same. I don't really think Obama is religious, though. I think he just had to say that to get elected. You know when you get down to it, there isn't much difference in the christian and the muslim religions. They both have the religious lites, the fundamentalists and the whackos. Hitler was a christian and Bin Laden is a muslim. I don't see how one is worse than the other.

Yeah those naughty Christians. Always hijacking planes, using women and children to carry bombs, blowing up subways. I think you've been snorting blewdog's nasty rear end too much.

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Originally posted by interventor1:
Unfortunately, arab and afghan muslims are well known for a predilection for young boys. And, like the Muhammamed, himself, take wives as young as nine.

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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:
Once again, religion rears its ugly head. Religions...eh, they are all about the same. I don't really think Obama is religious, though. I think he just had to say that to get elected. You know when you get down to it, there isn't much difference in the christian and the muslim religions. They both have the religious lites, the fundamentalists and the whackos. Hitler was a christian and Bin Laden is a muslim. I don't see how one is worse than the other.

Yeah those naughty Christians. Always hijacking planes, using women and children to carry bombs, blowing up subways. I think you've been snorting blewdog's nasty rear end too much.

and raping children. you forgot that one.

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by beternU:
meanasasnake says {QUOTE]I think the penchant of the President's detractors to try and find ANY reason to paint him as a Muslim, is another example of the monkeys in the "Ape House" at the Zoo. They keep throwing their crap at the glass wall, limiting their audience and NEVER hitting their target.{QUOTE]

Right on, perspicacious serpent-like one! A splendid simile, notwithstanding its slight indelicacy!

Would your name happen to be hussein or muhammed or abdul?

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by beternU:
meanasasnake says {QUOTE]I think the penchant of the President's detractors to try and find ANY reason to paint him as a Muslim, is another example of the monkeys in the "Ape House" at the Zoo. They keep throwing their crap at the glass wall, limiting their audience and NEVER hitting their target.{QUOTE]

Right on, perspicacious serpent-like one! A splendid simile, notwithstanding its slight indelicacy!

Would your name happen to be hussein or muhammed or abdul?

Nope. Would YOUR name happen to be Bubba of maybe Buford or Cletus?

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Originally posted by Rather-b-fishin:

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by beternU:
meanasasnake says {QUOTE]I think the penchant of the President's detractors to try and find ANY reason to paint him as a Muslim, is another example of the monkeys in the "Ape House" at the Zoo. They keep throwing their crap at the glass wall, limiting their audience and NEVER hitting their target.{QUOTE]

Right on, perspicacious serpent-like one! A splendid simile, notwithstanding its slight indelicacy!

Would your name happen to be hussein or muhammed or abdul?

Nope. Would YOUR name happen to be Bubba of maybe Buford or Cletus?

Quit butchering the English lanquage. I think you used a preposition when you needed a conjunction.

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Originally posted by gracies old man:
The main reason for posting this was the hypocrisy. We were chastized for daring to say Obama's middle name, (you can go back and look at all the posts). Now, he seems to embrace his and his father's heritage.

Barak Hussein Obama, now I can post it without repercussion.

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
I really don't understand the mind set that so many have in this country today. When did things get this juvenile? Ok so his middle name is Hussein and he didn't use it in his campaign. What does that have to do with what he is trying to accomplish in the Middle East? Whats wrong with using that to get through to Muslims? I say use what ever we got to break down this barrier and work together to put down terrorism. It is world wide and it will take a mighty big group effort to combat it. Just as not all Christians are members of the KKK, not all Muslims are terrorist. Its that simple. I was not this huge Obama fan but lately I have felt the need to defend him as our President. These kinds of remarks and attitudes are what Republicans called anti-American when Bush was in office. I remember reading and hearing more than once that if you are against what Bush was trying to do in the Middle East you were on the side of terrorism. Also that by openly disagreeing with the war was fueling the terrorist. So why is it different now? Why is it suddenly ok by the right to pick apart every little thing the President does and read all kinds of crazy things into it? Is it still not bad for our country to put down our president while he is trying to achieve the same goal Bush was? I didn't agree with most of what Bush did and said but by no means did I call him a terrorist or any other derogatory name. Barack Obama is our President. He is trying to foster some seeds of diplomacy in the Middle East. He is trying to lessen the power that terrorist have by telling the world that we as Americans are not in this war because of Religion. So are we with him on this or not? I may not agree with his spending. I may not agree with some of his appointments to key positions in the government. I felt the same way about Bush. However I do agree with trying to get the message out to moderate Muslims that we are not at war with them and hopefully garner some support against terrorism. We need it. I am sure that someone will respond with "we are just doing what the liberals did when Bush was president" That is mature. If it was wrong and anti-American when they did it do you think you are any different or better?

My hope is that this trip is going to do some good. I really believe it might make a difference in our war on terrorism.

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Look. If Barack Obama wants to say, as he said to al-Arabiya, I have Muslim roots, Muslim family members, have lived in a Muslim country -- implying a special affinity that uniquely positions him to establish good relations -- that's fine. But it is both false and deeply injurious to this country to draw a historical line dividing America under Obama from a benighted past when Islam was supposedly disrespected and demonized.

As in Obama's grand admonition: "We cannot paint with a broad brush a faith as a consequence of the violence that is done in that faith's name." Have "we" been doing that, smearing Islam because of a small minority? George Bush went to the Islamic Center in Washington six days after 9/11, when the fires of Ground Zero were still smoldering, to declare "Islam is peace," to extend fellowship and friendship to Muslims, to insist that Americans treat them with respect and generosity of spirit.

And America listened. In these seven years since 9/11 -- seven years during which thousands of Muslims rioted all over the world (resulting in the death of more than 100) to avenge a bunch of cartoons -- there's not been a single anti-Muslim riot in the United States to avenge the greatest massacre in U.S. history. On the contrary. In its aftermath, we elected our first Muslim member of Congress and our first president of Muslim parentage.

"My job," says Obama, "is to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives." That's his job? Do the American people think otherwise? Does he think he is bravely breaking new ground? George Bush, Condoleezza Rice and countless other leaders offered myriad expressions of that same universalist sentiment.

Every president has the right to portray himself as ushering in a new era of this or that. Obama wants to pursue new ties with Muslim nations, drawing on his own identity and associations. Good. But when his self-inflation as redeemer of U.S.-Muslim relations leads him to suggest that pre-Obama America was disrespectful or insensitive or uncaring of Muslims, he is engaging not just in fiction but in gratuitous disparagement of the country he is now privileged to lead.
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Originally posted by interventor1:
I felt rather sorry for Obama on his latest tour. The Zeropeans dissed him and turned down his request to take Gitmo internees. Only Yemen agreed to take a few, if they're delivered in pine boxes.

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Originally posted by gracies old man:
Bet

I've seen it spelled Barak and Barack, and I don't care.

You haven't a clue what I was thinking when I posted his full name during the elections. "Clearly", you don't have that ability. And what is wrong with somehow implying he 'was exotic'?
Nonetheless, it was a bad thing, when we emphasized it, but now, when Barack Hussein wants it emphasized, it's all the rage.