Skip to main content

Well, according to the Jehovah's witnesses, anyway:

Link

Excerpt:

"Sunday, May 24, 2009

WEST PALM BEACH — It's the start of the Jehovah Witnesses' convention season, and this year they'll be preparing for the end of the world.

Starting Friday, the Witnesses will host 14 consecutive weeks of conventions at the Christian Convention Center on Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard.

This year's theme, "Keep on the Watch!" is designed to discuss world events and how they relate to the Bible's prophecy of the apocalypse.

While all conventions are open to the public, the Witnesses are specifically inviting the public to a discussion with the provocative title, "How to Survive the End of the World," which will be at 11 a.m. Sunday.

"We feel it is imminent," spokesman Richard Ferris said. "We can't really put a date on it, and the scriptures tell us that nobody knows days or hours, but we'll look at the signs as a theme of our convention and keep on the watch."

Jehovah Witnesses believe that while the apocalypse will be terrible for many, it will be the beginning of a better world for the faithful.
Original Post

Replies sorted oldest to newest

quote:
Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
quote:
Originally posted by LMM:
According to the History Channel, this after noon, the Mayans predicted the end of the world on Dec 21, 2012.


Oh, great. ANOTHER crappy birthday present.


At least you'll get one, mine is on the 29th, so the world will be long gone by then. A birthday right after Christmas and just before New Year's is guaranteed to get crappy presents.

That's why for the past 6 years I've been celebrating my 26th birthday in June.
Well you can try and unwrap your tangled mind. As hard as it may be for you to comprehend I have only 1 screen name and I am a free thinker. Not affiliated with any group be it troll or otherwise. I have been reading these forums for sometime but just havn't had much time to put my 2 cents in. I am now off from work due to an injury and have nothing better to do. Sad but true. I'm sure you can completely sympathize. I see your name here a lot.
quote:
Originally posted by josiewales:
Well you can try and unwrap your tangled mind. As hard as it may be for you to comprehend I have only 1 screen name and I am a free thinker. Not affiliated with any group be it troll or otherwise. I have been reading these forums for sometime but just havn't had much time to put my 2 cents in. I am now off from work due to an injury and have nothing better to do. Sad but true. I'm sure you can completely sympathize. I see your name here a lot.


Josie, if you are a "free thinker," you had best get used to hearing about your psyche from those who know more about it than you do.
Last edited by davidnmiles
quote:
Originally posted by josiewales:
They are all a bunch of nut jobs. I don't care what name they put on their buildings. Baptist, Methodist, Catholic or Jehovah Witness its all the same bag o nuts.

HI JW,

Just a thought -- you call us all nuts (and some in that list do qualify); BUT, I will bet you have never refused a nice CHRISTmas present.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Attachments

Images (1)
  • 0_-_CROSS-BIBLE_SAID-IT-1c
Bill, when was the last time you turned down the products of the athesit mind? The fruits of quantum mechanics are: x-rays, CT scans, MRI scanners, ultrasound, laser surgery, radiotherapy and cyclotron beams for cancer treatment, semi-conductors, cell-phones, microwaves and optical fibers. The giants of quantum mechanics have also been the giants of atheism:

Albert Einstein--awarded the Nobel Prize for his explanation of the photoelectric effect. On March 24, 1954, Einstein answered a letter as follows: "It was, or course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly." He went on to say, "Morality is of the highest importance--but for us, not for God."

In a letter written in German on January 3, 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind
Einstein stated, “The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product
of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends
which are nevertheless pretty childish.”

Steven Weinberg--shared the Nobel Prize for contributing to the unification of the weak and electromagnetic forces in a single theory. He stated, "One of the great achievements of science has been, if not to make it impossible for intelligent people to be religious, then at least to make it possible for them not to be religious."

Richard P.Feynman--won the Nobel Prize in physics for his work on quantum electrodynamics. Feynman said, "There is definitely a conflict, I believe--both in fact and in spirit--over the metaphysical aspects of religion."

Murray Gell-Mann--received the Nobel Prize for his discovery of the quark and other elementary particles. He was Humanist of the Year of the American Humanist Association for 2005.
Howdy Bill,

Yes I call you all nuts. The term applies to all. I find it amusing that one group of nuts points and laughs at another set of nuts when they are all delusional. Its sort of like Black on Black racism. Just plain crazy. And no I love christmas!!! I will take all the presents anyone wants to give me. I'm not stupid why would I not take a gift from someone that wanted to give? Another thing I never refuse is prayers. I say knock yourself out. Matter of fact Bill I feel I need a prayer right now. Why don't you go see if you can't pray me into heaven. That would be real nice of you.


I know this may sound harsh but I have had a life time of Christianity shoved down my throat so I am just regurgitating at this point.
quote:
The fruits of quantum mechanics are: x-rays, CT scans, MRI scanners, ultrasound, laser surgery, radiotherapy and cyclotron beams for cancer treatment, semi-conductors, cell-phones, microwaves and optical fibers. The giants of quantum mechanics have also been the giants of atheism:


Totally false. The founder of Quantum Mechanics was Max Planck. He won a Nobel Prize in physics and was also a Christian, an elder in his church.

Lord Kelvin won awards for his work in science and made major contributions to the study of thermodynamics. He was a Christian.

Georges Lemaître was a Catholic priest and also the first to theorize about the Big Bang. So when you mention that as the beginning of existence, you have priest to thank.

That is just three examples, there are many, many more.

Link

Christianity is not anti-science, it's just the opposite. If Christians believe God is responsible for our existence, then what better way of finding out just how great He is than learning as much about our surroundings as possible.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Test everything. Hold on to the good."
quote:
Originally posted by davidnmiles:
"Provide an example of why you believe Planck was wrong about God, other than he believed in Him."

Planck insisted that God energetically appeared to him every 6.626 068 96(33) x 10-34 s. Archimedes had already demonstrated that this is impossible.


I haven't heard that about Planck before, please provide your source.

Even if Planck actually believed that, it still proves your statement incorrect. The founder of quantum physics, the "giant" of them all was not a giant of atheism, he was a Christian.

I provided a long list of accomplished, respected, and honored scientists throughout history that believed in God. So the assumption that one must be an atheist to understand science or that believers in God are unable to understand science is totally false.
Nash,

You're quite right, more scientists and other deep thinkers used to be religious.

But, ideas come around and change society. One such idea that has become common these days is the notion that god deserves the same standard of proof as any other presumption.

As we all know, god does not stand to reason or evidence.

If god is so important, so real, so necessary for existence, there should be some evidence for him. There is none. Some people just cannot be DIShonest with themselves and pretend any longer that the gods exist.

DF
Last edited by DeepFat
quote:
Originally posted by DeepFat:
Nash,

You're quite right, more scientists and other deep thinkers used to be religious.

But, ideas come around and change society. One such idea that has become common these days is the notion that god deserves the same standard of proof as any other presumption.

As we all know, god does not stand to reason or evidence.

If god is so important, so real, so necessary for existence, there should be some evidence for him. There is none. Some people just cannot be honest with themselves and pretend any longer that the gods exist.

DF


Just because you haven't found evidence doesn't mean that none exists. I've already posted a survey done recently that showed 40% of scientists believed in God, a number that hasn't changed in many decades. I've also provided examples of scientists who at one time did not believe in God, yet they changed their mind. That is impossible to do unless they found something so profound that they were willing to make a huge life change. They were willing to look at the issue with an open, objective mind.
quote:
Originally posted by NashBama:
. I've already posted a survey done recently that showed 40% of scientists believed in God,


Nash,

This logical fallacy known by several names including appeal to the masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the people, appeal to the majority, argument by consensus, authority of the many, and bandwagon fallacy.

It is obviously one of your favorites.

At one time, the the entire educated world believed the sun orbited the earth. There was incontrovertible evidence for this. The paths of the "wandering stars" could be predicted with great accuracy.

Did the fact that even the smartest people alive at the time believed this to be true change the fact that it was not true?

Of course not.

The fact that even 99.9999% of the population might believe in a deity does not "prove" anything, Nash. You constantly bring this up as if it were a valid argument and, honestly, it just makes you look ignorant, bud.
You're changing the point of my post. My argument is not majority opinion makes something true, far from it.

The argument that I was addressing was that scientists, a profession that requires reason, logic, and the search of evidence, cannot believe in God. That a belief in God and understanding of science are in conflict. That logic and reason will dispel a belief in God It's a common argument made here.

My argument is that there are many scientists who changed their mind about the existence of God. I've provided proof that the number of scientists who believe and reject God remain the same over decades. That a belief in God does not negate scientific understanding or vice versa.

To find evidence of something, to make a discovery, one must have an open mind and look at everything objectively. No offense to Deep and Ironic, but when it comes to the issue of God, they are far from open minded or objective. No matter what argument is made or what anyone says about why they believe in the existence of a higher power, they will always reject it without consideration. They are well within their right to do so.
quote:
Originally posted by NashBama:
The argument that I was addressing was that scientists, a profession that requires reason, logic, and the search of evidence, cannot believe in God.


Still a fallacious argument. The Appeal to Authorty argument would be my best guess.

There are plenty of scientists who believe in UFO's piloted by aliens. Cryptozoology (study of things like Biigfoot) is a movement that is begging for legitimization and headed by doctorate-level smart people.

Have you ever heard of parapsychology? Despite hundreds of years of study, there is still no shred of convincing evidence for the paranormal but you will never convince the followers.

One of the founders of modern genetics, James Watson, is a outspoken racist. My hero Charles Darwin misued his own data to suggest that some races were less than equal to white Europeans.

All of them are wrong, Nash.

Full disclosure: I used to believe in every single one of these, including God, but changed my mind based on the utter lack of evidence. I'm not just an atheist. I deny everything supernatural because there IS NO COMPELLING EVIDENCE.
quote:
Originally posted by Ironic Pentameter:
quote:
Originally posted by NashBama:
The argument that I was addressing was that scientists, a profession that requires reason, logic, and the search of evidence, cannot believe in God.


Still a fallacious argument. The Appeal to Authorty argument would be my best guess.

There are plenty of scientists who believe in UFO's piloted by aliens. Cryptozoology (study of things like Biigfoot) is a movement that is begging for legitimization and headed by doctorate-level smart people.

Have you ever heard of parapsychology? Despite hundreds of years of study, there is still no shred of convincing evidence for the paranormal but you will never convince the followers.

One of the founders of modern genetics, James Watson, is a outspoken racist. My hero Charles Darwin misued his own data to suggest that some races were less than equal to white Europeans.

All of them are wrong, Nash.

Full disclosure: I used to believe in every single one of these, including God, but changed my mind based on the utter lack of evidence. I'm not just an atheist. I deny everything supernatural because there IS NO COMPELLING EVIDENCE.


You're exactly right, there are plenty of "scientists" who have beliefs that I do not share. Just look at how many promote global warming or claim the earth is over populated.

However, you are the one who argues that science is the know all end all answer to everything. From you're own post you've given illustrations of how science can be flawed by personal bias. Global warming scientists want it to be real, so they only read the data that supports their theory, even though there is plenty of evidence against it. The same with you and other posters. It's not that there is no argument for the existence for God, it's that you have already made up your mind that God does not exist. So you reject any argument without question and accept anything that may suggest otherwise, such as the Jesus/Hours scam.

I believe in questioning everything whether it is science, religion, or politics with an open and objective mind. That is the only way to find the truth.
quote:
Originally posted by Ironic Pentameter:
Nash,

A cloud, a salt crystal, an oxygen molecule, gravity and my son's eye are all "evidence" for a creator.

In fact, that's the cool thing about an omnipotent deity: Anything and everything is "evidence" for His existence.

Kinda like sea water: Evidence, evidence everywhere. But not an ounce of proof.


Dear confused,

Do not assume because you are confused on several fronts that it is a struggle for everyone.

The proof may be knowledge which has arisen from experience.

Add Reply

Post

Untitled Document
×
×
×
×
Link copied to your clipboard.
×