Evolution Thread

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Originally posted by Rolltideroll02:
I have had the blessing to visit many churches with pastors that speak and I have never heard the first one of them say Evolution is real.

I've never been to a KKK rally where equality was preached either.

. . . Well, I've never been to a KKK rally period but if I would, I
m nearly certain they would not preach equality.

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I've never been to a KKK rally where equality was preached either.

. . . Well, I've never been to a KKK rally period but if I would, I
m nearly certain they would not preach equality.

The funny thing about KKK rallies is that it is the best way to unite people of all races and backgrounds.

I have a friend who is a photographer and went to the KKK rally in Russellville. Without going to too much detail, there were 6 to 8 tards in sheets with a megaphone on the courthouse steps.

In protest were about 300+ people both black and white. There was a group of about 5 black ladies who stayed pretty quiet, then they started singing "Jesus Loves the Little Children".

The crowd got quiet for a second, then all joined in. They drowned out the lead sheet head tard and he threw down his megaphone. Cops instantly shut the rally down.

The moral of the story, people try to use faith for evil, like the sheet tards and the Westboro nuts. When confronted with people of real faith who stand up for what they believe in, the evil falls apart just like at that rally.

As for Rolltideroll02: Rule #1. Don't believe everything your preachers tell you. That's why God gave you a brain.

That's a cool story, Nash. Amen!

Believers have NOTHING to fear from science. Science is not a god or a threat to our beliefs in any way. It's simply humans using their brains to discover what God already knows. He gave us curious intelligent minds for a reason. I think He is delighted when we use them & when we get excited about new discoveries, just like a parent is delighted as their child grows and learns.

Back about 1978 or 9, there were a few Klansmen in street clothes passing out fliers at the grocery store in Loretto, TN. I ran into the store to pick up something after school before going home. I gently told them that they were passing out anti-Catholic propoganda in a town that was founded as a haven for Bismark's Kulturkampf victims and they probably ought to head on their way before the men got out of work at the casket factories or the feed mill and pointed at the steeple on top of Sacred Heart church!
They left after a few church ladies came out of the store and were not so nice as was I . . .

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by daniel16215:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by daniel16215:
Hi Daniel,

That is true -- because 95% of your posts are copy/paste. And that makes for boring dialogue.

That would have me doing a dialogue with an unknown writer -- when I really want to dialogue with you.

Just my thoughts.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

95% is a bit high but my point is your posts come from other folks ideas ( e.g. Ken Hamm ). You put them in your own words but they are still not your ideas. Where as I think when it comes to understanding concepts in specialized scientific field the scientists(not me) are better equipped to give an explanation. Same thing goes for ancient Greek and Hebrew.

If you prefer though going forward when in dialog with you I will be happy to put ideas in my own words. But to give translations of ancient languages, evolutionary biology..I will still yeild to the experts. Also since it has been a while since my last global survey I will choose to rely on stats and studies from the experts.

Oh and FYI Bill I am not an atheist. I am not at all suprised you think I am. From what I gather in your post you believe you have the market on truth. You should really research the info Neil has given you. Neil is right on the mark in regards to understanding the church, scripture and scripture's role within the early church. I know you Bill. I was raised in the CoC and am quite familiar with the type of thinking you present in your posts. You are missing so much in your own faith and I am sorry for you. You don't know the spritual experiences you are miss when you read the bible like a math text.

Hi Daniel,

Your tag line speaks well of you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Thanks Bill

Hi Daniel,

Please forgive me. I did not intend to force you into changing your tag line. But, I guess you found one more to your liking.

That is okay. You quote your god; and I will quote my God. Sounds fair to me.

I will continue to say: God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

And you can say: Hitchens bless you.

But, allow me to spoil the movie for you by sharing the ending -- my side wins.

Y'all come back now, ya heah?

Bill

I keep forgetting you have the market on truth. Thanks for the reminder!!!

Hitchens is wonderful. What a brave and intelligent man. I can't wait to read "god is not great".

I just finished "The God Delusion" by Dawkins. Suggested reading, to be sure.

http://www.buildupthatwall.com/

DF

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Originally posted by GoFish:

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Originally posted by tnt5862:
deepfat please dont pity me ,I rather live as if and find out there is not than the other way around

What if your god rewards us for using the brain he gave us?

If I were ever open to the possibility of a benevolent deity, it would be one who rewards rational, critical thought.

Why in the world would one worship a deity who will burn you if you question rules?

Gofish , He's not just my God , He's everyone God that seeks him .
He dont burn you for questioning the rules ,only for disobeying them . But you can do just that because he gave you a brain and you use it as you will .

Romans 12:2

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
That's a cool story, Nash. Amen!

Believers have NOTHING to fear from science. Science is not a god or a threat to our beliefs in any way. It's simply humans using their brains to discover what God already knows. He gave us curious intelligent minds for a reason. I think He is delighted when we use them & when we get excited about new discoveries, just like a parent is delighted as their child grows and learns.

Joy, mentioned one of the things that got lost in my crash yesterday.

Where did Science come from? Who said, "Ok, this is Science."? A HUMAN...how did that human come that conclusion? He used the brain that God gave him in that body that the Master constructed and put on this earth. Time to God is irrelevant. One day to us is only a portion of eternity with God -- it is not just 24 hours...How can you say that evolution is how we came to be when you had to have a HUMAN that used his GOD GIVEN AND TOUCHED BRAIN to come up with the concept?

I realize that is simplistic in many respects, but that is how I take my life -- simple. I don't have to have a thesis on why the sun rises or why my stomach hurts today or why I can't get a certain friend off my mind or why I'll fall asleep tonight...it is what it is...

I agree with don't believe everything preachers tell you...The Bible says "see and ye shall find" -- yes He is referring to Himself, but when you find Him, most everything clicks -- at least it did for me.

I don't believe in Evolution -- I never have and I never will...it is not why I am on this earth. It was no accident that I was put on this earth during this time and in Alabama doing what I do -- it was for a reason.

You don't have to believe me or even believe the way I do...it's not my place to say, "You are an atheist and you will go to Hell." It is God's when that time comes for you. How do I know that just because you claimed to be an Atheist all of your life that you haven't found God (not religion -- God) and you just enjoy pushing the buttons of people like Bill Gray and keep them spinning their wheels and beating you up with a Bible every day. Some people get a kick out of that...

You can beat me up with science all you want too. But it still took a man that was blessed (not any other way to describe it) with a brain that came up with the concepts that you use against me for my beliefs...that still points to a Higher Power playing a role for me...

And if that Higher Power didn't bless you with a great mind -- maybe he atleast gave you some rhythm and you can enjoy the kind of evolution I like...over and over and over...

Amen Dixie Well spoken .

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Originally posted by NashBama:
In protest were about 300+ people both black and white. There was a group of about 5 black ladies who stayed pretty quiet, then they started singing "Jesus Loves the Little Children". The crowd got quiet for a second, then all joined in.

Cool. I probably would have joined in. I really wanted to go interrupt to the one they had in Tuscumbia last year but had prior commitments.

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Hitchens is wonderful. What a brave and intelligent man. I can't wait to read "god is not great".

I just finished "The God Delusion" by Dawkins. Suggested reading, to be sure.

http://www.buildupthatwall.com/

DF

Deep,

Dawkins? Yes.

Hitchens? Not so much.

This feminist doesn't care for his sexism.

e

e,

OK, so Hitchens doesn't think women are funny. Otherwise, I have heard him decry Abrahamic religions as misogynistic.

DF

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
e,

OK, so Hitchens doesn't think women are funny. Otherwise, I have heard him decry Abrahamic religions as misogynistic.

DF

Deep,

Yes, but I didn't need Hitchens to tell me that. I already knew.

I can't help but question why someone who clearly sees the misogynistic aspects of those religions would subsequently make such sweeping, generalizing statements about what he considers to be the collective sense of humor of women (as a gender). I consider that contrast quite problematic.

You are likely better able to stomach Hitchens than I, and I know you've read more Dawkins. With that understanding, here's a question for you:

What intellectual insight does Hitchens offer that Dawkins does not? Or where do their areas of specialization differ?

Better put, what is the significant difference between the two? Therein lies the answer to my question of whether it's worth taking the stomach meds I'd need prior to reading more of Hitchens.

I'm open to doing so, but I have yet to hear a good reason.

As you well know, I do value your opinion and would love to hear your perspective on the difference between the two.

e

Otherwise, I have heard him decry Abrahamic religions as misogynistic.


Weren't most religions founded during the axial age misogynistic? I think this is a reflection of the society in which they grew.


What intellectual insight does Hitchens offer that Dawkins does not? Or where do their areas of specialization differ?

Actually I think Sam Harris is more readable than Dawkins. I haven't read anything by Hitchens but in interviews he seems extremely abrasive.

Ah, my dove, you have dived into a deep spot indeed.

I pretend to be no expert, but in my casual observation between the two, Hitchens is the more aggressive, the more In Your Face, the more philosophical, the more convinced, the more dedicated. This is saying a lot, as Dr. Dawkins is hardly shy in his opinions.

However, Dawkins is an academic, and lends certain credence and respect to different opinions, even when he differs from them in the most profound manner. Hitchens has no such responsibility, and as a cultural critic may, and does, speak his mind freely and without restraint. Even if he goes too far (and I disagree with him about female comedians, for example) he bares his mind to the world, for better or worse.

It's usually to the better. Dawkins is a bit more reflective, Hitchens is a bit more militant. There is room for both, and I admire both men greatly.

The similarities of those two men are much greater than their differences. Neither of them would agree to the drivel we've seen on this forum about the preferred second-class status of women.

As goes humor, there is a difference between the sexes as to what is funny. Women don't "get" the Three Stooges or Monty Python as often as men, men don't "get" Sarah Silverstein as often. Go figure.

Vive la difference!

DF

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ah, my dove, you have dived into a deep spot indeed.

I pretend to be no expert, but in my casual observation between the two, Hitchens is the more aggressive, the more In Your Face, the more philosophical, the more convinced, the more dedicated. This is saying a lot, as Dr. Dawkins is hardly shy in his opinions.

However, Dawkins is an academic, and lends certain credence and respect to different opinions, even when he differs from them in the most profound manner. Hitchens has no such responsibility, and as a cultural critic may, and does, speak his mind freely and without restraint. Even if he goes too far (and I disagree with him about female comedians, for example) he bares his mind to the world, for better or worse.

It's usually to the better. Dawkins is a bit more reflective, Hitchens is a bit more militant. There is room for both, and I admire both men greatly.

The similarities of those two men are much greater than their differences. Neither of them would agree to the drivel we've seen on this forum about the preferred second-class status of women.

As goes humor, there is a difference between the sexes as to what is funny. Women don't "get" the Three Stooges or Monty Python as often as men, men don't "get" Sarah Silverstein as often. Go figure.

Vive la difference!

DF

Alright, there's a more academic post to be had, but I must start with this:

Three Stooges? I love them. I think I saw every episode.

Monty Python? I can quote at will. Big fan.

Sarah Silverstein? SHE is misogynistic.

Yes, go figure.

Next?

Love,
e

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Originally posted by DeepFat:

I pretend to be no expert, but in my casual observation between the two, Hitchens is the more aggressive, the more In Your Face, the more philosophical, the more convinced, the more dedicated. This is saying a lot, as Dr. Dawkins is hardly shy in his opinions.

However, Dawkins is an academic, and lends certain credence and respect to different opinions, even when he differs from them in the most profound manner. Hitchens has no such responsibility, and as a cultural critic may, and does, speak his mind freely and without restraint. Even if he goes too far (and I disagree with him about female comedians, for example) he bares his mind to the world, for better or worse.

It's usually to the better. Dawkins is a bit more reflective, Hitchens is a bit more militant. There is room for both, and I admire both men greatly.


DF

I have no doubt both would disagree with the commentary that has been made here by people who don't realize that women are fully human.

I do have another question, however.

What can Hitchens offer me that Dawkins does not?

That is the answer I need in order to know whether he is worth the intellectual problematizing that he brings forth.

All my best,
e

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ah, my dove, you have dived into a deep spot indeed.

I pretend to be no expert, but in my casual observation between the two, Hitchens is the more aggressive, the more In Your Face, the more philosophical, the more convinced, the more dedicated. This is saying a lot, as Dr. Dawkins is hardly shy in his opinions.

However, Dawkins is an academic, and lends certain credence and respect to different opinions, even when he differs from them in the most profound manner. Hitchens has no such responsibility, and as a cultural critic may, and does, speak his mind freely and without restraint. Even if he goes too far (and I disagree with him about female comedians, for example) he bares his mind to the world, for better or worse.

It's usually to the better. Dawkins is a bit more reflective, Hitchens is a bit more militant. There is room for both, and I admire both men greatly.

The similarities of those two men are much greater than their differences. Neither of them would agree to the drivel we've seen on this forum about the preferred second-class status of women.

As goes humor, there is a difference between the sexes as to what is funny. Women don't "get" the Three Stooges or Monty Python as often as men, men don't "get" Sarah Silverstein as often. Go figure.

Vive la difference!

DF

Sam Harris?

Precious dove,

I was given "god is Not Great" for my birthday. I shall give you a review upon reading it. I recently finished "The God Delusion".



DF

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Precious dove,

I was given "god is Not Great" for my birthday. I shall give you a review upon reading it. I recently finished "The God Delusion".



DF

"Precious dove???"

Hi Daniel,

What's your question?

Best,
e

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Originally posted by e:
Hi Daniel,

What's your question?

Best,
e

Wondering why DF is addressing me as "Precious Dove."

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Originally posted by daniel16215:
Wondering why DF is addressing me as "Precious Dove."

Daniel,

Ah, I see the source of your confusion.

Mon Deep was responding to my earlier question about reading Hitchens in light of Dawkins.

I am his "Precious Dove."

You are... well, "Daniel."

Best,
e

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Originally posted by e:

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Originally posted by daniel16215:
Wondering why DF is addressing me as "Precious Dove."

Daniel,

Ah, I see the source of your confusion.

Mon Deep was responding to my earlier question about reading Hitchens in light of Dawkins.

I am his "Precious Dove."

You are... well, "Daniel."

Best,
e

Thank you "E"

LOL


What she said.

DF

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Originally posted by daniel16215:

Wondering why DF is addressing me as "Precious Dove."

Ahh, Daniel, there's so much about our deep DF that you don't know...

Mando,

Seems you know more than I do.



DF

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Originally posted by mandomama:

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Originally posted by daniel16215:

Wondering why DF is addressing me as "Precious Dove."

Ahh, Daniel, there's so much about our deep DF that you don't know...

I thought that very same thing...Deep when you gonna wear that muu muu for us again...

you gotta admit, DC, the desert boots and cigar gave it a certain je ne sais quoi.

DF

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
you gotta admit, DC, the desert boots and cigar gave it a certain je ne sais quoi.

DF

Mon amour, my Deep,

Oui!

But, my love, when you toss that Carhartt jacket over your shoulder - C'est autre chose!

The thought alone is enough to make me weak.

Ever yours,
e

OK, ya'll are getting me all bent outa shape now and I gotta work today...my bosses are gonna wonder what's wrong with me if I'm fainting and perspiring etc...

That was a hilarious misunderstanding...made my day yesterday & equally entertaining today. BTW, I love it when y'all (e and DF) get all brainy mushy (technical term there - feel free to borrow the term as needed). It's like watching a good movie.

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
That was a hilarious misunderstanding...made my day yesterday & equally entertaining today. BTW, I love it when y'all (e and DF) get all brainy mushy (technical term there - feel free to borrow the term as needed). It's like watching a good movie.

Dear Joy,

Mais oui!

I cannot deny the allure of mon amour, mon Deepy.

To me, he is jouissance.

e

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Originally posted by e:

But, my love, when you toss that Carhartt jacket over your shoulder - C'est autre chose!

The thought alone is enough to make me weak.

Le ewwwwww!

que'est-ce que je peux dire ?

DF

For DeepFat & e...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEdBndu0YUM

Obtenez une salle.

farfegnugen

Hey Y'all,

I knew we had a lot of our Pentecostal brothers and sisters on the Forum -- but, when did we decide to start "speaking in tongues"?

Deep, you have never made more sense!

Y'all come back now, ya heah?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by e:

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Originally posted by daniel16215:
Wondering why DF is addressing me as "Precious Dove."

Daniel,

Ah, I see the source of your confusion.

Mon Deep was responding to my earlier question about reading Hitchens in light of Dawkins.

I am his "Precious Dove."

You are... well, "Daniel."

Best,
e

Daniel, I'm not sure we know you well enough to address you as precious; would you object to Lonesome Dove?