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Excessive, Unwarranted Criticism Of Our Law-Enforcement Officers

blue'sblue'sOld Faithful
I have known a lot of them over the years and yes they are not God and sometimes they do make a mis-take, but it is very few times that it is done. The majority of them will do anything they can do to help others, even if it means putting thier life on the line for it.

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fhantom309_35660fhantom309_35660Hall of Famer
Blues, these same people are the first ones that call the Police when they need something. You hardly ever see people talking in these threads about the good things the Police have done for the community. I have yet to see anyone rant and rave on here about catching the burglary suspects, or when an officer takes a drunk driver off the road or when a sex offender is tracked down and arrested or any of the other thousands of split second decisions they have to make. But they sure point it out and raise hell about it when they mess up.

I also just love it when people that have no idea about the law try to quote it be critical of L.E.Os

If you notice you never see anybody on here that used to be a cop being critical of them. Folks, it is a hard job!!!

Never judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes!
onepatriot7onepatriot7Hall of Famer
I have been very critical of a certain type law enforcement officer (whom I refer to as jack-booted neocon ninja's because of their attitude and tactics) over the past few days.

This is my atempt to make some ammends for my failure to recocnize a few I truly appreciate:

Deputy Joe Shanes is one of the finest men I have ever had the pleasure of knowing, Thank You for all you do.

Deputy Reggie Gamble again is a great man who keeps our kids safe in the county school system. Thank you for all you do.

Deputy Lorrie ???? (Gist was her maiden name) A fine law enforcement officer. Thank you for all you do.

Sheriff Ronnie Willis - A fine Christian man who recently helped my sister-in-law with a domestic situation. Thank you for all you do.

Capt.?? Myron Crunk (DTF) the only officer who was pleasant with me during my recent arrest.

Can't remember her name but the Florence PD school resource officer at Florence middle school/freshman center) this poor officer was injured in the line of duty and I truly feel like she does a fine job and is an extremely kind person to speak with.

Several Florence Police Officers who completed police reports for me when my company was vandalized - although my company lost in excess of $300,000.00 in property damage, during multiple vandalizism incidents, 1 arrest was made because of an eye witness which I tracked down and we recovered $1,163. Thank you

Detective Merriman for showing genuine concern about our vandalism problems.
im4uhoneeim4uhoneeHall of Famer
I'll say this about "SOME" law enforcement officers, not hiring people with with the right education, not enough training after being hired before being put on the job, not paid enough to attract the people you want doing the job, not throughly screening applicants before being hired and not enough policeing the police to remove the ones who simply can't do the job impartially. When it comes to the profession of law enforcement ONE bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.

Most, almost all, are very good at what they do and do a fine job. But when one messes up, all take the blame.
N NYTrooperHall of Famer
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I'll say this about "SOME" law enforcement officers, not hiring people with with the right education, not enough training after being hired before being put on the job, not paid enough to attract the people you want doing the job, not throughly screening applicants before being hired and not enough policeing the police to remove the ones who simply can't do the job impartially. When it comes to the profession of law enforcement ONE bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.

Most, almost all, are very good at what they do and do a fine job. But when one messes up, all take the blame.



Exactly why you see NY in front of my handle instead of AL.

Policemen are human too, but some areas allow too many uneducated officers to serve.
onepatriot7onepatriot7Hall of Famer
Don't forget the trooper on one of the cops/world worst police chases etc. programs who was issueing a speeding ticket to some screaming idiot who tore the ticket up and threw it on the ground, keep screaming etc. etc. Now that trooper was an inspiration to his profession as he kept his cool profesional (I am here to serve and protect) attitude throughout the whole ordeal, he never let his ego get in the way of being professional in dealing with the public. (although, that guy the perp was an idiot/ butt-hole)
UNA LIONS FANUNA LIONS FANHall of Famer
Well, Blues, Since we're thanking people that normally get criticism only, let's be sure to thank our local Electricity Dept. guys for working in the rain, cold, sleet, lightning, flooding, 100 degree heat, and most recently snow, to keep all of us comfortable. These guys are in harms way just as often, actually more, as the police officers. Do you ever hear of them getting a thank you? Very rarely, I'm sure.
(Let's not forget our Firemen, who are normally ON THE SCENE, before anybody else gets there).

They just continue to do their jobs, with much criticism, without all of the whining.

In other words... get over it, take the criticism and let the PD, ED, and FD do their jobs. If they can't take criticism, they are in the wrong occupation.
onepatriot7onepatriot7Hall of Famer
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Originally posted by UNA LIONS FAN:
Well, Blues, Since we're thanking people that normally get criticism only, let's be sure to thank our local Electricity Dept. guys for working in the rain, cold, sleet, lightning, flooding, 100 degree heat, and most recently snow, to keep all of us comfortable. These guys are in harms way just as often, actually more, as the police officers. Do you ever hear of them getting a thank you? Very rarely, I'm sure.
(Let's not forget our Firemen, who are normally ON THE SCENE, before anybody else gets there).

They just continue to do their jobs, with much criticism, without all of the whining.

In other words... get over it, take the criticism and let the PD, ED, and FD do their jobs. If they can't take criticism, they are in the wrong occupation.


You are a true scholar of understanding lions fan. Why can't more people quit watching the tube and see whats going on around them.
FirenzeVeritasFirenzeVeritasOld Faithful
There's all kinds, and I do really appreciate them.

No one has mentioned dispatchers--I personally know one of them, Smiler, and thanks to her for her good work and all she does.

I know many nurses that I wouldn't want to attend to me if I were ill, so it's in all professions.

Still, I don't think a police chief hanging up on someone on who's trying to help an injured individual sets a very good example...
onepatriot7onepatriot7Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
There's all kinds, and I do really appreciate them.

No one has mentioned dispatchers--I personally know one of them, Smiler, and thanks to her for her good work and all she does.

I know many nurses that I wouldn't want to attend to me if I were ill, so it's in all professions.

Still, I don't think a police chief hanging up on someone on who's trying to help an injured individual sets a very good example...


Another educated Scholar is amongst us!! my question would be how in the world do you get a police chief on the phone, normally, if you want to speak to the "Chief" or "Sheriff" you being the lowly scum bag civilian that you are they hide in their office and have the receptionist say they aren't there or available even though I just seen them walking into the office joking.
FirenzeVeritasFirenzeVeritasOld Faithful
I'm not at liberty to say much about this at this time. In a few weeks or months, I'm going to say plenty. (A freind needed help in filing a claim for some medical bills.)

I will say that Chris Hargett, police chief of Russellville, was the one who hung up on me a few days ago. I had been speaking with a Captain Olive, who was very nice, but transferred me.

Hargett was rude from the start, but during the short conversation, he informed me that police can do anything they like. Really good attitude.
blue'sblue'sOld Faithful
UNA LIONS FAN, they all do a darn good job, from those that are in the Electricity Dept. Gas Dept., our nurses, our Firemen/women, our Sanitation workers, our Street Dept. workers, i.e. sometime I don't think people know just what all that they do, and just how important they mean to us all. And most of them including our police officers handle criticism quite well, if not they would not to what they have to do.
UNA LIONS FANUNA LIONS FANHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by blues':
UNA LIONS FAN, they all do a darn good job, from those that are in the Electricity Dept. Gas Dept., our nurses, our Firemen/women, our Sanitation workers, our Street Dept. workers, i.e. sometime I don't think people know just what all that they do, and just how important they mean to us all. And most of them including our police officers handle criticism quite well, if not they would not to what they have to do.


I do agree, I guess it is mostly the "everyday people" that can't take the criticism.
S SaltyDogPost Master
I sincerely hope that people didn't misunderstand what I said on another thread. I have the highest regard for LEOs, and have been helped on more than one occassion by these wonderful men and women. I'd like to think I've paid it forward, at least sometimes. The officers who were helping with the SINUS operation did a great job doing what they were supposed to do and I appreciate it.
Thank you to all public servants, from police to mailmen, utility workers to nurses to janitors and everyone in between! Merry Christmas to one and all!
V vick13Old Faithful
Ya'll have more patience with people than I do. Just thinking about dealing with all that crap makes me ITCH.

I have noticed, though, that most of the criticism comes from people who've just been arrested, got a speeding ticket or have a family member that fits the above categories. I generally think the criticism means, in spite of their lengthy protests, that they are guilty.
TG The Green Eyed Lady (Guest)
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
I'm not at liberty to say much about this at this time. In a few weeks or months, I'm going to say plenty. (A freind needed help in filing a claim for some medical bills.)

I will say that Chris Hargett, police chief of Russellville, was the one who hung up on me a few days ago. I had been speaking with a Captain Olive, who was very nice, but transferred me.

Hargett was rude from the start, but during the short conversation, he informed me that police can do anything they like. Really good attitude.


Russellville is the worse ever , they need to replace about 98 % of them .
And him saying the cops can do what they want to , thats true ,they can even kill you if they want to ,its all covered up for them ,cause the whole bunch down there is rotten to the bone . I only pray they get whats coming to them .
TC The Cold Hard TruthHall of Famer
They are the Bagmen for the cities and the counties, nothing more, nothing less, Their agenda is to raise revenue by any and all means possible to put put money in the coffers. The police depts in the Shoals have no regards at all for our Civil rights, They will search, seize, charge and incarcerate anybody (unless you're rich) for any minor offense.. The bondsmen get paid, The Lawyers and public pretenders get paid, The courts get paid.. The little shimmy sham classes and schools get paid, and they WILL get paid or we will go to jail.. It's a racket and a revenue scam and WE ARE ALL VICTIMS!
R redbullPost Master
uthorities: Child, 2, found at meth home

By Bernie Delinski
Staff Writer

Published: Friday, December 12, 2008 at 3:30 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 11:13 p.m.

LAWRENCEBURG, Tenn. - Authorities who stopped a motorist for a possible traffic violation say they found a more major offense: Materials for a methamphetamine lab were in the driver's

pickup.

That led to a search of the driver's residence, where they say they found another lab and a 2-year-old child.

As a result, the man and his girlfriend were arrested on charges related to production of meth and child neglect.

Lawrence County sheriff's investigator Gary Mills identified the couple as Bryan Postol and Gina Gray, both of 12 Garland Drive, Lawrenceburg.

Each is charged with manufacturing methamphetamine, conspiracy to manufacture methamphetamine and child neglect, authorities said.

Mills said the arrest started when Postol was pulled over in his 1978 Chevrolet pickup on a traffic violation around 4:30 p.m. Wednesday on Matthew Avenue in

Lawrenceburg.

Officers discovered Postol's driver's license was suspended, Mills said.

"As agents were talking with Postol, they observed that Postol exhibited numerous signs consistent with meth use and they also observed a 9 mm handgun in plain view," the investigator said.

Postol did not have a permit to carry the weapon and was taken into custody, Mills said. "As agents asked Postol if there was anything illegal in the vehicle, he stated that he was in possession of a meth lab."

The area was secured, and Lawrence County Sheriff's Department Crime Suppression Unit agents, Lawrenceburg police, Lawrenceburg firefighters, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and Tennessee Methamphetamine Task Force processed the lab.

That's when they discovered Postol's girlfriend was home with a small child. Agents had been investigating that residence because of reports of drug activity, Mills said.

They went to the Garland Drive home and discovered a meth lab also was operating there, Mills said. They processed the lab at that scene, as well.

Postol and Gray were taken to the Lawrence County Jail. Gray has made bail, but Postol remains in jail, Mills said.

The 2-year-old was released to the custody of the child's grandparents.

A BIG THANK YOU FOR ALL OFFICERS INVOLVED IN GETTING THIS CRAP OFF THE STREETS!
onepatriot7onepatriot7Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Merry:
quote:
Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
I'm not at liberty to say much about this at this time. In a few weeks or months, I'm going to say plenty. (A freind needed help in filing a claim for some medical bills.)

I will say that Chris Hargett, police chief of Russellville, was the one who hung up on me a few days ago. I had been speaking with a Captain Olive, who was very nice, but transferred me.

Hargett was rude from the start, but during the short conversation, he informed me that police can do anything they like. Really good attitude.


Russellville is the worse ever , they need to replace about 98 % of them .
And him saying the cops can do what they want to , thats true ,they can even kill you if they want to ,its all covered up for them ,cause the whole bunch down there is rotten to the bone . I only pray they get whats coming to them .


I don't know much about the Russellville PD but did the problems all start with the DA down there who was convicted I believe for corruption, even homosexual advance's toward inmates etc? You know, the DA is the Top Cop, how can some people not question actions by law enforcement when things like this happen all the time, even in our small local cities. I wish people could awaken from their slumber and see what's going on around them.
onepatriot7onepatriot7Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
They are the Bagmen for the cities and the counties, nothing more, nothing less, Their agenda is to raise revenue by any and all means possible to put put money in the coffers. The police depts in the Shoals have no regards at all for our Civil rights, They will search, seize, charge and incarcerate anybody (unless you're rich) for any minor offense.. The bondsmen get paid, The Lawyers and public pretenders get paid, The courts get paid.. The little shimmy sham classes and schools get paid, and they WILL get paid or we will go to jail.. It's a racket and a revenue scam and WE ARE ALL VICTIMS!


The real sad part is most of them don't even realize that they are puppets in this revenue driven machine. As long as their check isn't late being deposited, they never question. Now having said that, My statement doesn't apply to every single LEO, just most.
onepatriot7onepatriot7Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by redbull:
uthorities: Child, 2, found at meth home

By Bernie Delinski
Staff Writer

Published: Friday, December 12, 2008 at 3:30 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 11:13 p.m.

LAWRENCEBURG, Tenn. - Authorities who stopped a motorist for a possible traffic violation say they found a more major offense: Materials for a methamphetamine lab were in the driver's

pickup.

That led to a search of the driver's residence, where they say they found another lab and a 2-year-old child.

As a result, the man and his girlfriend were arrested on charges related to production of meth and child neglect.

Lawrence County sheriff's investigator Gary Mills identified the couple as Bryan Postol and Gina Gray, both of 12 Garland Drive, Lawrenceburg.

Each is charged with manufacturing methamphetamine, conspiracy to manufacture methamphetamine and child neglect, authorities said.

Mills said the arrest started when Postol was pulled over in his 1978 Chevrolet pickup on a traffic violation around 4:30 p.m. Wednesday on Matthew Avenue in

Lawrenceburg.

Officers discovered Postol's driver's license was suspended, Mills said.

"As agents were talking with Postol, they observed that Postol exhibited numerous signs consistent with meth use and they also observed a 9 mm handgun in plain view," the investigator said.

Postol did not have a permit to carry the weapon and was taken into custody, Mills said. "As agents asked Postol if there was anything illegal in the vehicle, he stated that he was in possession of a meth lab."

The area was secured, and Lawrence County Sheriff's Department Crime Suppression Unit agents, Lawrenceburg police, Lawrenceburg firefighters, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and Tennessee Methamphetamine Task Force processed the lab.

That's when they discovered Postol's girlfriend was home with a small child. Agents had been investigating that residence because of reports of drug activity, Mills said.

They went to the Garland Drive home and discovered a meth lab also was operating there, Mills said. They processed the lab at that scene, as well.

Postol and Gray were taken to the Lawrence County Jail. Gray has made bail, but Postol remains in jail, Mills said.

The 2-year-old was released to the custody of the child's grandparents.

A BIG THANK YOU FOR ALL OFFICERS INVOLVED IN GETTING THIS CRAP OFF THE STREETS!


I agree with good job getting the meth off the streets, but even here in this article you can witness the deceptive tactics of LEO's first they say they stopped the pickup at random for a possible minor traffic violation and later in the artlice they admit to having been "watching the house due to complaints" it is so obvious that this was a planned headline grabbing sting. Again I say wake up!!
fhantom309_35660fhantom309_35660Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Merry:
Entrapment at its finest Wink


ARE YOU ON METH???

Please, Please explain to me how the above article would legally be defined as entrapment?

Sounds like good Police work to me!

If the Police officers knew what was going on and they didn't do anything about it, they would be accused of turning a blind eye to criminal activity.

This traffic stop created "probable cause" for a search warrant. You know what that is???? It is one of your rights as a citizen. Without it, the illegal activity would continue.
fhantom309_35660fhantom309_35660Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Merry:
Entrapment at its finest Wink


There are certain elements of every crime that the government has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt before a person can be found or plead guilty.

These officers needed more than complaints about illegal activity going on. If the Police searched a house just based on some complaints from other citizens, it would be a violation of their rights and any evidence gathered would be thrown out!

If the officers were trying to meet each element of the crime and to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the person is guilty, then that is called "LAW ENFORCEMENT".

If someone broke into your house Mrs. Merry, would you want the cops to do "LAW ENFORCEMENT" and catch who did it and get your stuff back? Or would you just want them to look the other way and ignore what happened to you???
smokey1smokey1Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by onepatriot7:
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Merry:
quote:
Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
I'm not at liberty to say much about this at this time. In a few weeks or months, I'm going to say plenty. (A freind needed help in filing a claim for some medical bills.)

I will say that Chris Hargett, police chief of Russellville, was the one who hung up on me a few days ago. I had been speaking with a Captain Olive, who was very nice, but transferred me.

Hargett was rude from the start, but during the short conversation, he informed me that police can do anything they like. Really good attitude.


Russellville is the worse ever , they need to replace about 98 % of them .
And him saying the cops can do what they want to , thats true ,they can even kill you if they want to ,its all covered up for them ,cause the whole bunch down there is rotten to the bone . I only pray they get whats coming to them .


I don't know much about the Russellville PD but did the problems all start with the DA down there who was convicted I believe for corruption, even homosexual advance's toward inmates etc? You know, the DA is the Top Cop, how can some people not question actions by law enforcement when things like this happen all the time, even in our small local cities. I wish people could awaken from their slumber and see what's going on around them.


I hope you do know that you are referring to the old DA who I believe is currently in prison and not to the current one who was elected by the voters of Franklin County.
onepatriot7onepatriot7Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Merry:
Entrapment at its finest Wink


ARE YOU ON METH???

Please, Please explain to me how the above article would legally be defined as entrapment?

Sounds like good Police work to me!

If the Police officers knew what was going on and they didn't do anything about it, they would be accused of turning a blind eye to criminal activity.

This traffic stop created "probable cause" for a search warrant. You know what that is???? It is one of your rights as a citizen. Without it, the illegal activity would continue.


Exactly, "created" probable cause, my problem with this is why not tell the truth and say the vehicle had been "marked" for a traffic stop. Sounds like the old, I pulled you over for a broken tail-light trick as the officer uses his baton to bust out the tail light. All I'm saying is don't sneek around the Constitution in order to "create" anything. That is poor police work if you ask me. Again, having said all that I do appreciate the officers who do their job of protecting the constitutional rights of the people. BTW, How dare you accuse Mrs. Merry of being on Meth, what's your probable cause for that statement?

Even you handle here Fhantom309 because you are a police officer could infer your intent to "sneek" around and "create" your probable cause.
fhantom309_35660fhantom309_35660Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by onepatriot7:
quote:
Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Merry:
Entrapment at its finest Wink


ARE YOU ON METH???

Please, Please explain to me how the above article would legally be defined as entrapment?

Sounds like good Police work to me!

If the Police officers knew what was going on and they didn't do anything about it, they would be accused of turning a blind eye to criminal activity.

This traffic stop created "probable cause" for a search warrant. You know what that is???? It is one of your rights as a citizen. Without it, the illegal activity would continue.


Exactly, "created" probable cause, my problem with this is why not tell the truth and say the vehicle had been "marked" for a traffic stop. Sounds like the old, I pulled you over for a broken tail-light trick as the officer uses his baton to bust out the tail light. All I'm saying is don't sneek around the Constitution in order to "create" anything. That is poor police work if you ask me. Again, having said all that I do appreciate the officers who do their job of protecting the constitutional rights of the people. BTW, How dare you accuse Mrs. Merry of being on Meth, what's your probable cause for that statement?

Even you handle here Fhantom309 because you are a police officer could infer your intent to "sneek" around and "create" your probable cause.


Now you are accusing the Police of "creating" a reason for a traffic stop. Where did you get that? I didn't read that anywhere. Maybe you are assuming things because you are disgruntled at "Law Enforcement" right now. Also, I don't remember anything about a cop busting a tail light out as reason for a stop. How ridiculous for you to make another assumption.

The media can make any arrest or situation sound however they want. They usually make it sound as exciting as they can, you should know that first hand!

If it was a bad traffic stop, then everything that was discovered during or as a result of the traffic stop will become "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree" in other words thrown out as evidence of the crime.

As for my name on here, it refers to an old song that I have liked since I was a kid.

Link

There you go again making another assumption!
G GuyFawkesMember
quote:
Originally posted by vick13:
Ya'll have more patience with people than I do. Just thinking about dealing with all that crap makes me ITCH.

I have noticed, though, that most of the criticism comes from people who've just been arrested, got a speeding ticket or have a family member that fits the above categories. I generally think the criticism means, in spite of their lengthy protests, that they are guilty.


Guilty? Perhaps guilty of not wanting to live in a police state that most of you seem so comfortable in. Just because someone dons a badge and blues doesn't mean they instantly deserve respect, reverence or worship. They're just another person that decided to go into a profession. Their reasons could be myriad for going into said profession but I'd say from observation the last batch of police that went into public service are on their last leg toward retirement.

You have to be guilty of something in order to criticize law enforcement!

For me it's easier to assume a LEO is corrupt (morally or otherwise) than it is for a citizen to be guilty.

G-d help us at just how right Milgram was.
onepatriot7onepatriot7Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
I guess nobody as ever explained to you the little riddle about when you "Ass-u-me".


I know the little riddle very well, and I didn't mean to be personally attacking you, for that I apologize, however, it appears that you having no First Hand Knowledge of the incident, you also are making Assumptions, but with your LEO slant. Just as I with my "disgruntled" slant.
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