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Originally posted by GuyFawkes:
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Originally posted by vick13:
Ya'll have more patience with people than I do. Just thinking about dealing with all that crap makes me ITCH.

I have noticed, though, that most of the criticism comes from people who've just been arrested, got a speeding ticket or have a family member that fits the above categories. I generally think the criticism means, in spite of their lengthy protests, that they are guilty.


Guilty? Perhaps guilty of not wanting to live in a police state that most of you seem so comfortable in. Just because someone dons a badge and blues doesn't mean they instantly deserve respect, reverence or worship. They're just another person that decided to go into a profession. Their reasons could be myriad for going into said profession but I'd say from observation the last batch of police that went into public service are on their last leg toward retirement.

You have to be guilty of something in order to criticize law enforcement!

For me it's easier to assume a LEO is corrupt (morally or otherwise) than it is for a citizen to be guilty.

G-d help us at just how right Milgram was.




(scratching head wondering why people worry about getting arrested if they are not doing anything?)

Holy Crap, these people that do break the law may actually have to be held accountable for their actions! They have never had to do that before? Why now?
After reading through this thread i've noticed a two things that stand out:

#1 I would tend to agree that the officers mentioned in the meth bust traffic stop on the previous page(based solely on the information in the article) did an excellent job. If you have an unlicensed firearm and admit to having meth equipment in your car....I would think this excellent grounds for getting a warrant to search their residence.

#2 fhantom309_35660: you exhibit the atypical symptoms of the type police that inhibit peoples rights without second thought. You've snidely insinuated meth usage due to a forum post you didn't agree with and your signature alone states you have no regard for anyone that's not up to your standards....the atypical cop that shouldn't have a badge (assuming your flashing lights and signature actually reference your real occupation.
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Originally posted by thx1138:
After reading through this thread i've noticed a two things that stand out:

#1 I would tend to agree that the officers mentioned in the meth bust traffic stop on the previous page(based solely on the information in the article) did an excellent job. If you have an unlicensed firearm and admit to having meth equipment in your car....I would think this excellent grounds for getting a warrant to search their residence.

#2 fhantom309_35660: you exhibit the atypical symptoms of the type police that inhibit peoples rights without second thought. You've snidely insinuated meth usage due to a forum post you didn't agree with and your signature alone states you have no regard for anyone that's not up to your standards....the atypical cop that shouldn't have a badge (assuming your flashing lights and signature actually reference your real occupation.


While I'm glad to see your agreement on #1 thx1138, I don't believe you've fully read through the fhantom's post. Click on the link in his post.
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
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Originally posted by GuyFawkes:
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Originally posted by vick13:
Ya'll have more patience with people than I do. Just thinking about dealing with all that crap makes me ITCH.

I have noticed, though, that most of the criticism comes from people who've just been arrested, got a speeding ticket or have a family member that fits the above categories. I generally think the criticism means, in spite of their lengthy protests, that they are guilty.


Guilty? Perhaps guilty of not wanting to live in a police state that most of you seem so comfortable in. Just because someone dons a badge and blues doesn't mean they instantly deserve respect, reverence or worship. They're just another person that decided to go into a profession. Their reasons could be myriad for going into said profession but I'd say from observation the last batch of police that went into public service are on their last leg toward retirement.

You have to be guilty of something in order to criticize law enforcement!

For me it's easier to assume a LEO is corrupt (morally or otherwise) than it is for a citizen to be guilty.

G-d help us at just how right Milgram was.




(scratching head wondering why people worry about getting arrested if they are not doing anything?)

Holy Crap, these people that do break the law may actually have to be held accountable for their actions! They have never had to do that before? Why now?


Innocent people worry because it happens many times every single day across this country. Normally the result of some over zealous neocon nazi cop with a superiority complex. I've stated many times I appreciate and respect good ethical police work.
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
After reading through this thread i've noticed a two things that stand out:

#1 I would tend to agree that the officers mentioned in the meth bust traffic stop on the previous page(based solely on the information in the article) did an excellent job. If you have an unlicensed firearm and admit to having meth equipment in your car....I would think this excellent grounds for getting a warrant to search their residence.

#2 fhantom309_35660: you exhibit the atypical symptoms of the type police that inhibit peoples rights without second thought. You've snidely insinuated meth usage due to a forum post you didn't agree with and your signature alone states you have no regard for anyone that's not up to your standards....the atypical cop that shouldn't have a badge (assuming your flashing lights and signature actually reference your real occupation.


While I'm glad to see your agreement on #1 thx1138, I don't believe you've fully read through the fhantom's post. Click on the link in his post.


note: I was referring to his/her posts on this thread. I haven't actually waded through all 371+ posts on the forum as a whole.

If you would indulge me...what link? As I was skimming over posts I could be missing something. However I don't see a link anywhere
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Originally posted by thx1138:
After reading through this thread i've noticed a two things that stand out:

#1 I would tend to agree that the officers mentioned in the meth bust traffic stop on the previous page(based solely on the information in the article) did an excellent job. If you have an unlicensed firearm and admit to having meth equipment in your car....I would think this excellent grounds for getting a warrant to search their residence.

#2 fhantom309_35660: you exhibit the atypical symptoms of the type police that inhibit peoples rights without second thought. You've snidely insinuated meth usage due to a forum post you didn't agree with and your signature alone states you have no regard for anyone that's not up to your standards....the atypical cop that shouldn't have a badge (assuming your flashing lights and signature actually reference your real occupation.



Never judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes!

As I stated in an earlier post, being a Police Officer is a very hard job. You are constantly under scrutiny from the public. I have been in situations and seen may other officers in situations where the public lied or was dishonest about an incident and this caused a lot of problems. Usually, the truth comes out, however when people falsely accuse Police Officers of doing things, people get in an uproar and automatically think the cop is guilty.

As far as you thinking that I typically inhibit peoples rights, you don't know me. Therefore, I don't know how you can make that assumption. I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
After reading through this thread i've noticed a two things that stand out:

#1 I would tend to agree that the officers mentioned in the meth bust traffic stop on the previous page(based solely on the information in the article) did an excellent job. If you have an unlicensed firearm and admit to having meth equipment in your car....I would think this excellent grounds for getting a warrant to search their residence.

#2 fhantom309_35660: you exhibit the atypical symptoms of the type police that inhibit peoples rights without second thought. You've snidely insinuated meth usage due to a forum post you didn't agree with and your signature alone states you have no regard for anyone that's not up to your standards....the atypical cop that shouldn't have a badge (assuming your flashing lights and signature actually reference your real occupation.


While I'm glad to see your agreement on #1 thx1138, I don't believe you've fully read through the fhantom's post. Click on the link in his post.


note: I was referring to his/her posts on this thread. I haven't actually waded through all 371+ posts on the forum as a whole.

If you would indulge me...what link? As I was skimming over posts I could be missing something. However I don't see a link anywhere


go up about 10 posts you'll see it
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
As far as you thinking that I typically inhibit peoples rights, you don't know me. Therefore, I don't know how you can make that assumption. I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.


I can absolutely make assumptions. Just as you do on a daily basis (most notably here). The fact that someone pins on a badge on a daily basis does not automatically give them wisdom and abilities above another.

I've never stated that police couldn't do policing. It's my statement that police should respect rights and not assume they have some unchecked authority to do whatever/whenever they want. People have rights, the constitution guarantees them. If police respect those rights in the process of doing their job then the entire country is better for it!

It's not anyone's fault but your own you chose a profession that requires you to be under constant scrutiny. It's a sensitive position that NEEDS to be heavily scrutinized due to the potential power it wields. If the pressure is too much then a change in career might be a better option.
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
After reading through this thread i've noticed a two things that stand out:

#1 I would tend to agree that the officers mentioned in the meth bust traffic stop on the previous page(based solely on the information in the article) did an excellent job. If you have an unlicensed firearm and admit to having meth equipment in your car....I would think this excellent grounds for getting a warrant to search their residence.

#2 fhantom309_35660: you exhibit the atypical symptoms of the type police that inhibit peoples rights without second thought. You've snidely insinuated meth usage due to a forum post you didn't agree with and your signature alone states you have no regard for anyone that's not up to your standards....the atypical cop that shouldn't have a badge (assuming your flashing lights and signature actually reference your real occupation.



Never judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes!

As I stated in an earlier post, being a Police Officer is a very hard job. You are constantly under scrutiny from the public. I have been in situations and seen may other officers in situations where the public lied or was dishonest about an incident and this caused a lot of problems. Usually, the truth comes out, however when people falsely accuse Police Officers of doing things, people get in an uproar and automatically think the cop is guilty.

As far as you thinking that I typically inhibit peoples rights, you don't know me. Therefore, I don't know how you can make that assumption. I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.


Typical response, you lowly scum bag citizens need not worry about the law or your rights, let us professional's handle that for you, society is better because you are dumbed down and uniformed. Fhantom, are you so programmed and blind that you can't even see that your own statements make it evident that you don't mind inhibiting the peoples rights. And yes yours is a hard job, if you can't handle it professionally then I'm sure there is other employment available to you.
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Originally posted by vick13:
Ya'll have more patience with people than I do. Just thinking about dealing with all that crap makes me ITCH.

I have noticed, though, that most of the criticism comes from people who've just been arrested, got a speeding ticket or have a family member that fits the above categories. I generally think the criticism means, in spite of their lengthy protests, that they are guilty.


I want to thank Deputy Russell Graham for pulling me over on the east side of Moulton. I received a warning for an improper tag. I had Heart of Dixie over Stars fell on Alabama. I also received a warning for improper tires. I had a flat and had my spare "doughnut" tire on. He not only wanted to see my driver license, but also my passengers license. We were on our way home from work. No real tickets issued, just warnings. I guess if I would've broken a real law I would've gotten a real ticket. Mr. Graham, I did get that tire fixed, however, Heart of Dixie is still on my tag. By the way, my passenger and myself did see the prescription pill bottle that was exchanged between yourself and the undercover wannabe that pulled in behind your car.
[/QUOTE] I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.[/QUOTE]

Typical response, you lowly scum bag citizens need not worry about the law or your rights, let us professional's handle that for you, society is better because you are dumbed down and uniformed. Fhantom, are you so programmed and blind that you can't even see that your own statements make it evident that you don't mind inhibiting the peoples rights. And yes yours is a hard job, if you can't handle it professionally then I'm sure there is other employment available to you.[/QUOTE]

My point in the statement above was taken way out of context. Maybe I should have explained a little more in detail.

When a Police Officer knows the law and knows what he can and can't do, he is less likely to violate someones rights. And when I say leave the Policing to the Police, I don't run up to a house fire and tell the Fireman how I think they are doing their job all wrong. Nor would I tell a banker who to give loan to and who not. That would be because, it's not my job and they are the experts in their area!
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.


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My point in the statement above was taken way out of context. Maybe I should have explained a little more in detail.

When a Police Officer knows the law and knows what he can and can't do, he is less likely to violate someones rights. And when I say leave the Policing to the Police, I don't run up to a house fire and tell the Fireman how I think they are doing their job all wrong. Nor would I tell a banker who to give loan to and who not. That would be because, it's not my job and they are the experts in their area!


What you fail to see is there are two sides to every coin.

Law abiding citizens shouldn't fear police. With that then it only makes it fair that Police shouldn't fear checks designed to ensure they're doing their jobs according to it's requirement.

If you're not a crooked cop then what would it matter if you were scrutinized?
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Originally posted by onepatriot7:
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
After reading through this thread i've noticed a two things that stand out:

#1 I would tend to agree that the officers mentioned in the meth bust traffic stop on the previous page(based solely on the information in the article) did an excellent job. If you have an unlicensed firearm and admit to having meth equipment in your car....I would think this excellent grounds for getting a warrant to search their residence.

#2 fhantom309_35660: you exhibit the atypical symptoms of the type police that inhibit peoples rights without second thought. You've snidely insinuated meth usage due to a forum post you didn't agree with and your signature alone states you have no regard for anyone that's not up to your standards....the atypical cop that shouldn't have a badge (assuming your flashing lights and signature actually reference your real occupation.



Never judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes!

As I stated in an earlier post, being a Police Officer is a very hard job. You are constantly under scrutiny from the public. I have been in situations and seen may other officers in situations where the public lied or was dishonest about an incident and this caused a lot of problems. Usually, the truth comes out, however when people falsely accuse Police Officers of doing things, people get in an uproar and automatically think the cop is guilty.

As far as you thinking that I typically inhibit peoples rights, you don't know me. Therefore, I don't know how you can make that assumption. I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.


Typical response, you lowly scum bag citizens need not worry about the law or your rights, let us professional's handle that for you, society is better because you are dumbed down and uniformed. Fhantom, are you so programmed and blind that you can't even see that your own statements make it evident that you don't mind inhibiting the peoples rights. And yes yours is a hard job, if you can't handle it professionally then I'm sure there is other employment available to you.


Patriot, I love how you put words in my mouth and assume what I am thinking. I think every post of mine you have replied to this has happen. Take my posts as what I am saying, not some fantasy you are dreaming up and that I am all against you.

I would never intentionally violate somebodies rights as an L.E.O. and take offense anytime it is implied. However, I do take pride in what I do and I know my job well. Just as I am sure you know yours well. I would never come to you and tell you how to do your job, nor would I ever claim to know it better than you! What if I came up to you on your job and said hey, I have never done what you do, but here is what you should be doing. Even though I am wrong. How would you like that?

It is frustrating for a Police Officer that knows his job listen to someone tell him all these things about the law and the job of being a Police Officer when in reality is, they have no idea.
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.


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My point in the statement above was taken way out of context. Maybe I should have explained a little more in detail.

When a Police Officer knows the law and knows what he can and can't do, he is less likely to violate someones rights. And when I say leave the Policing to the Police, I don't run up to a house fire and tell the Fireman how I think they are doing their job all wrong. Nor would I tell a banker who to give loan to and who not. That would be because, it's not my job and they are the experts in their area!


What you fail to see is there are two sides to every coin.

Law abiding citizens shouldn't fear police. With that then it only makes it fair that Police shouldn't fear checks designed to ensure they're doing their jobs according to it's requirement.

If you're not a crooked cop then what would it matter if you were scrutinized?


Now, I totally agree with that!
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.


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My point in the statement above was taken way out of context. Maybe I should have explained a little more in detail.

When a Police Officer knows the law and knows what he can and can't do, he is less likely to violate someones rights. And when I say leave the Policing to the Police, I don't run up to a house fire and tell the Fireman how I think they are doing their job all wrong. Nor would I tell a banker who to give loan to and who not. That would be because, it's not my job and they are the experts in their area!


What you fail to see is there are two sides to every coin.

Law abiding citizens shouldn't fear police. With that then it only makes it fair that Police shouldn't fear checks designed to ensure they're doing their jobs according to it's requirement.

If you're not a crooked cop then what would it matter if you were scrutinized?


Now, I totally agree with that!


Then perhaps things are just coming off differently because this is a text based forum. Because agreement to that would mean that in theory, in person - we agree more than our initial impressions.
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Law abiding citizens should fear police.


You're kiding me, right?


edited it....it was meant to read "shouldn't"


Whew! Thanks Thx1138. You had me a bit worried there.


Keep in mind though... I only say this with the pretense that police aren't given powers to impede constitutional rights and act within legally defined rules.

If police are honest police and they defend, not impede anyones constitutional rights...they have my respect.
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Law abiding citizens should fear police.


You're kiding me, right?


edited it....it was meant to read "shouldn't"


Whew! Thanks Thx1138. You had me a bit worried there.


Keep in mind though... I only say this with the pretense that police aren't given powers to impede constitutional rights and act within legally defined rules.

If police are honest police and they defend, not impede anyones constitutional rights...they have my respect.


EXACTLY. And just because you are arrested and feel you are in the right doesn't make the policeman a bad policeman. Everyone should know their constitutional/legal rights.
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
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Originally posted by onepatriot7:
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
After reading through this thread i've noticed a two things that stand out:

#1 I would tend to agree that the officers mentioned in the meth bust traffic stop on the previous page(based solely on the information in the article) did an excellent job. If you have an unlicensed firearm and admit to having meth equipment in your car....I would think this excellent grounds for getting a warrant to search their residence.

#2 fhantom309_35660: you exhibit the atypical symptoms of the type police that inhibit peoples rights without second thought. You've snidely insinuated meth usage due to a forum post you didn't agree with and your signature alone states you have no regard for anyone that's not up to your standards....the atypical cop that shouldn't have a badge (assuming your flashing lights and signature actually reference your real occupation.



Never judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes!

As I stated in an earlier post, being a Police Officer is a very hard job. You are constantly under scrutiny from the public. I have been in situations and seen may other officers in situations where the public lied or was dishonest about an incident and this caused a lot of problems. Usually, the truth comes out, however when people falsely accuse Police Officers of doing things, people get in an uproar and automatically think the cop is guilty.

As far as you thinking that I typically inhibit peoples rights, you don't know me. Therefore, I don't know how you can make that assumption. I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.


Typical response, you lowly scum bag citizens need not worry about the law or your rights, let us professional's handle that for you, society is better because you are dumbed down and uniformed. Fhantom, are you so programmed and blind that you can't even see that your own statements make it evident that you don't mind inhibiting the peoples rights. And yes yours is a hard job, if you can't handle it professionally then I'm sure there is other employment available to you.


Patriot, I love how you put words in my mouth and assume what I am thinking. I think every post of mine you have replied to this has happen. Take my posts as what I am saying, not some fantasy you are dreaming up and that I am all against you.

I would never intentionally violate somebodies rights as an L.E.O. and take offense anytime it is implied. However, I do take pride in what I do and I know my job well. Just as I am sure you know yours well. I would never come to you and tell you how to do your job, nor would I ever claim to know it better than you! What if I came up to you on your job and said hey, I have never done what you do, but here is what you should be doing. Even though I am wrong. How would you like that?

It is frustrating for a Police Officer that knows his job listen to someone tell him all these things about the law and the job of being a Police Officer when in reality is, they have no idea.


I don't have to put words in your mouth, I call them as I see them, you yourself later stated that you should have explained in greater detail what you meant. If you are a honest hard working servant of the people then thank you for what you do, but you and I both know that there are many out there who think a badge gives them the authority to trample the constitution. Be a good example for your chosen profession and you will always have my respect and support.
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Law abiding citizens should fear police.


You're kiding me, right?


edited it....it was meant to read "shouldn't"


Whew! Thanks Thx1138. You had me a bit worried there.


Keep in mind though... I only say this with the pretense that police aren't given powers to impede constitutional rights and act within legally defined rules.

If police are honest police and they defend, not impede anyones constitutional rights...they have my respect.


EXACTLY. And just because you are arrested and feel you are in the right doesn't make the policeman a bad policeman. Everyone should know their constitutional/legal rights.


Not the policeman perse...But the system should be so that you aren't just falsely arrested. We are rapidly creating a system where arrest is done on "hunch" rather than actual evidence or justifiable speculation.
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.


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My point in the statement above was taken way out of context. Maybe I should have explained a little more in detail.

When a Police Officer knows the law and knows what he can and can't do, he is less likely to violate someones rights. And when I say leave the Policing to the Police, I don't run up to a house fire and tell the Fireman how I think they are doing their job all wrong. Nor would I tell a banker who to give loan to and who not. That would be because, it's not my job and they are the experts in their area!


What you fail to see is there are two sides to every coin.

Law abiding citizens shouldn't fear police. With that then it only makes it fair that Police shouldn't fear checks designed to ensure they're doing their jobs according to it's requirement.

If you're not a crooked cop then what would it matter if you were scrutinized?


Now, I totally agree with that!


Then perhaps things are just coming off differently because this is a text based forum. Because agreement to that would mean that in theory, in person - we agree more than our initial impressions.


Yes, I think the Police should be held to a high standard. I totally hate crooked cops because it makes all of them look bad. I also that there are two sides to every coin. Such as the officers view of a situation and the citizens view. If it is found a citizen is in violation of a crime and just don't want to be held responsible, then shame on them.

Again, I will say I do not agree with people going around saying what they think the law is or how it should be interpreted when they actually have little or no idea. That is a job for the courts and judges. When people say the cops should have done this or that, they usually don't know both sides of the story, nor does the media always report it right. And that is from hand experience.

The cops job is to establish probable cause for the arrest, collect any evidence of the crime, report it accurately and present it for prosecution. The cops don't decide if you are guilty or not! If you are guilty don't blame them, blame yourself!

It's not personal.
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
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Originally posted by redbull:
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Law abiding citizens should fear police.


You're kiding me, right?


edited it....it was meant to read "shouldn't"


Whew! Thanks Thx1138. You had me a bit worried there.


Keep in mind though... I only say this with the pretense that police aren't given powers to impede constitutional rights and act within legally defined rules.

If police are honest police and they defend, not impede anyones constitutional rights...they have my respect.


EXACTLY. And just because you are arrested and feel you are in the right doesn't make the policeman a bad policeman. Everyone should know their constitutional/legal rights.


Thank the good Lord, Finally, redbull and I agree on something.
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
After reading through this thread i've noticed a two things that stand out:

#1 I would tend to agree that the officers mentioned in the meth bust traffic stop on the previous page(based solely on the information in the article) did an excellent job. If you have an unlicensed firearm and admit to having meth equipment in your car....I would think this excellent grounds for getting a warrant to search their residence.

#2 fhantom309_35660: you exhibit the atypical symptoms of the type police that inhibit peoples rights without second thought. You've snidely insinuated meth usage due to a forum post you didn't agree with and your signature alone states you have no regard for anyone that's not up to your standards....the atypical cop that shouldn't have a badge (assuming your flashing lights and signature actually reference your real occupation.



Never judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes!

As I stated in an earlier post, being a Police Officer is a very hard job. You are constantly under scrutiny from the public. I have been in situations and seen may other officers in situations where the public lied or was dishonest about an incident and this caused a lot of problems. Usually, the truth comes out, however when people falsely accuse Police Officers of doing things, people get in an uproar and automatically think the cop is guilty.

As far as you thinking that I typically inhibit peoples rights, you don't know me. Therefore, I don't know how you can make that assumption. I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.


How about if you just admit your real job is to bring revenue in to the coffers?
How about if you just admit that cops regularly and routinely violate peoples civil rights?
How about you just admit you like to look at yourself in the mirror with your uniform and weapon on and strike poses while admiring yourself?
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
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Originally posted by thx1138:
After reading through this thread i've noticed a two things that stand out:

#1 I would tend to agree that the officers mentioned in the meth bust traffic stop on the previous page(based solely on the information in the article) did an excellent job. If you have an unlicensed firearm and admit to having meth equipment in your car....I would think this excellent grounds for getting a warrant to search their residence.

#2 fhantom309_35660: you exhibit the atypical symptoms of the type police that inhibit peoples rights without second thought. You've snidely insinuated meth usage due to a forum post you didn't agree with and your signature alone states you have no regard for anyone that's not up to your standards....the atypical cop that shouldn't have a badge (assuming your flashing lights and signature actually reference your real occupation.



Never judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes!

As I stated in an earlier post, being a Police Officer is a very hard job. You are constantly under scrutiny from the public. I have been in situations and seen may other officers in situations where the public lied or was dishonest about an incident and this caused a lot of problems. Usually, the truth comes out, however when people falsely accuse Police Officers of doing things, people get in an uproar and automatically think the cop is guilty.

As far as you thinking that I typically inhibit peoples rights, you don't know me. Therefore, I don't know how you can make that assumption. I think when a cop knows the law better than the citizen and knows what he can do and what he can't only benefits society and your community. Leave the Policing to the cops, not the backseat drivers that assume all the things are wrong.


How about if you just admit your real job is to bring revenue in to the coffers?
How about if you just admit that cops regularly and routinely violate peoples civil rights?
How about you just admit you like to look at yourself in the mirror with your uniform and weapon on and strike poses while admiring yourself?


Sounds like that was wrote inside a jail cell.You must have had some horrible experiences with cops.You can't judge all cops by the actions of one or a few.If men judged women they dated that way there wouldn't be a straight man in America.(just kidding)
The founding Fathers in their wisdom never intended for the law to be used as a vehicle to wreck peoples lives.. Yet, That is what it has become.. That and a shimmy sham revenue scam.
The bottom line is that the average citizen has no recourse and little if any area for appeal if and when one of the servants of the long arm of the law decide it may be appropriate to charge any of us with a crime whether we are guilty or not.
How about if you just admit your real job is to bring revenue in to the coffers?
How about if you just admit that cops regularly and routinely violate peoples civil rights?
How about you just admit you like to look at yourself in the mirror with your uniform and weapon on and strike poses while admiring yourself?[/QUOTE]


Oh no, you caught me red handed! LMAO. You must be one of those people who has never had to be held accountable for their actions and some Police Officer rained on your parade.

Don't be mad at the cops, be mad at yourself, its not their fault you break the law. Again, its not personal!
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The founding Fathers in their wisdom never intended for the law to be used as a vehicle to wreck peoples lives.. Yet, That is what it has become.. That and a shimmy sham revenue scam.
The bottom line is that the average citizen has no recourse and little if any area for appeal if and when one of the servants of the long arm of the law decide it may be appropriate to charge any of us with a crime whether we are guilty or not.

I've not known to many honest people who surround themselves with other honest people and try to obey the laws who have had their lives ruined by law enforcement.If it looks like a duck and acts like a duck....You get the picture.
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
The founding Fathers in their wisdom never intended for the law to be used as a vehicle to wreck peoples lives.. Yet, That is what it has become.. That and a shimmy sham revenue scam.
The bottom line is that the average citizen has no recourse and little if any area for appeal if and when one of the servants of the long arm of the law decide it may be appropriate to charge any of us with a crime whether we are guilty or not.


I agree with the first part of your statement. But, I will repeat myself in case you didn't read the whole thread.

IT IS THE COURTS AND JUDGES THAT FIND YOU GUILTY OF A CRIME! The Cops are not the judges!

A few bad Police officers don't make all 70,000 cops in the USA bad or crooked.

Did the Enron deal automatically make all executives crooked? Or did Bill Clinton make every politician a pervert?
A falsely accused or rightfully accused citizen faces a nightmare when some turkey with a badge thinks it may be cute to toss a bunch of unfounded charges at somebody. Lawyers cost insane amounts of money these days, Public Defenders, I mean pretenders are overworked and for the most part boot lickers and bastard step kids of the system. Revenue trickles down hill through the penal and justice system as well.. They ALL have to justify their budgets, and they all WANT MORE MONEY.. guess where that money comes from? that's right.. you and me.
The whole system is out of control.. from the cop on the street, The ADA, the bench, the institutions, The probation and parole depts, the so called drug and alcohol rehab education and rehab programs.. ALL OF IT!!!
Completely amok and out of control
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A falsely accused or rightfully accused citizen faces a nightmare when some turkey with a badge thinks it may be cute to toss a bunch of unfounded charges at somebody. Lawyers cost insane amounts of money these days, Public Defenders, I mean pretenders are overworked and for the most part boot lickers and bastard step kids of the system

If I'm wrong I apologize,but is it not the da that ultimately presses the charges.If you're arrested for suspicion of a crime with insufficient evidence,you'll never go to court to fight it;the charges won't be filed or dropped.
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
A falsely accused or rightfully accused citizen faces a nightmare when some turkey with a badge thinks it may be cute to toss a bunch of unfounded charges at somebody. Lawyers cost insane amounts of money these days, Public Defenders, I mean pretenders are overworked and for the most part boot lickers and bastard step kids of the system. Revenue trickles down hill through the penal and justice system as well.. They ALL have to justify their budgets, and they all WANT MORE MONEY.. guess where that money comes from? that's right.. you and me.
The whole system is out of control.. from the cop on the street, The ADA, the bench, the institutions, The probation and parole depts, the so called drug and alcohol rehab education and rehab programs.. ALL OF IT!!!
Completely amok and out of control


I can sorta see your point, lol. But I will share something with you I have never forgotten. Back in 1994 or so, I attended a legal class that was being taught by a 28 year veteran New Orleans Homicide Detective. He asked the class that was totally full of cops, "Can anyone tell me what is the root of most all the problems of our legal system?" After twenty minutes or so of discussion, and wrong answers, he said "They have made the Bar Exam too easy to pass".

Think about it.
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Originally posted by Backwoods:
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A falsely accused or rightfully accused citizen faces a nightmare when some turkey with a badge thinks it may be cute to toss a bunch of unfounded charges at somebody. Lawyers cost insane amounts of money these days, Public Defenders, I mean pretenders are overworked and for the most part boot lickers and bastard step kids of the system

If I'm wrong I apologize,but is it not the da that ultimately presses the charges.If you're arrested for suspicion of a crime with insufficient evidence,you'll never go to court to fight it;the charges won't be filed or dropped.


Yes, you are right, and I have posted this same comment numerous times on this thread. But everyone wants to focus on the BAD COPS doing their job.
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Originally posted by redbull:
Does the jail have a limit on the time an inmate is allowed to use the computer? Roll Eyes

And have you been mixing a little Jager with your Bull? The whole entire system counts on the cops and the detectives to provide them with fodder to implement their finance base perversions on.
It's all about extracurricular taxation without representation.. Even if you are falsely charged.. and it happens very often.. at a minimum you are going to be slapped with court costs and quite possibly thousands and thousands of dollars in lawyer fees. The free attorney they will appoint, whos real job is to talk you in to taking a plea bargain by the way.. will cost you a minimum of 600 dollars.. even if you are innocent of what any one of these boobs with a badge can irresponsibly charge you with.
I do not like what the justice system in this country has become.. It is a system based on greed and does not represent the people any more.. in fact.. quite the opposite,
Sorry if the truth hurts
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
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Originally posted by redbull:
Does the jail have a limit on the time an inmate is allowed to use the computer? Roll Eyes

And have you been mixing a little Jager with your Bull? The whole entire system counts on the cops and the detectives to provide them with fodder to implement their finance base perversions on.
It's all about extracurricular taxation without representation.. Even if you are falsely charged.. and it happens very often.. at a minimum you are going to be slapped with court costs and quite possibly thousands and thousands of dollars in lawyer fees. The free attorney they will appoint, whos real job is to talk you in to taking a plea bargain by the way.. will cost you a minimum of 600 dollars.. even if you are innocent of what any one of these boobs with a badge can irresponsibly charge you with.
I do not like what the justice system in this country has become.. It is a system based on greed and does not represent the people any more.. in fact.. quite the opposite,
Sorry if the truth hurts


Wow! sounds like you speak from experience. It must be a conspiracy fer sure. Eeker
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Originally posted by The Cold Hard Truth:
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Originally posted by redbull:
Does the jail have a limit on the time an inmate is allowed to use the computer? Roll Eyes

And have you been mixing a little Jager with your Bull? The whole entire system counts on the cops and the detectives to provide them with fodder to implement their finance base perversions on.
It's all about extracurricular taxation without representation.. Even if you are falsely charged.. and it happens very often.. at a minimum you are going to be slapped with court costs and quite possibly thousands and thousands of dollars in lawyer fees. The free attorney they will appoint, whos real job is to talk you in to taking a plea bargain by the way.. will cost you a minimum of 600 dollars.. even if you are innocent of what any one of these boobs with a badge can irresponsibly charge you with.
I do not like what the justice system in this country has become.. It is a system based on greed and does not represent the people any more.. in fact.. quite the opposite,
Sorry if the truth hurts


For real CHT, the whole legal system is not against you nor is it targeting you. Maybe you shouldn't be so paranoid.

If you hate our legal system so bad, move to another country that is more liberal and see how quickly you will become a victim of a crime. Then watch what happens to the person that committed the crime!

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