Failing the Biblical Test

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Originally posted by beternU:
for FALSE PROPHETS!
Skippy's answers in red----
Below is an excerpt from the following source,
showing without question that Mormons have shown themselves to be FALSE PROPHETS, that in fact the foremost of all Mormons, Joseph Smith, Jr. was a FALSE PROPHET!

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/mormon2.html

<<<<Prophesies That Didn't Come True

Mormon writers have influenced millions of people over the years and have been instrumental in developing less than truthful statements concerning the church. These statements, or prophesies, must be looked at carefully, then refuted when they miss the mark of legitimacy.

It is imperative that we understand the biblical teaching regarding a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says:
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First of all Beternun, According to your Church of Christ(which I'm assuming
you are a member. You know the way you assume you know everything), your Church
does not study the Old Testiment at all. And again, because of your reluctance to
bring up your beleifs at all, I will assume you don't study it, because you don't
beleive it's true. I'm also curious your reasoning for picking and choseing certain
verses but not others. Everyone who has studied the bible knows that sometimes you
need to read the surrounding verses to get the whole meaning. You my hateful freind
are guilty of just that.
Deuteronomy 18:18 says,"I will raise a Prophet from among teir brethren like unto thee,
and will put my words in his mouth; and shall speak in my name, I will require it
of him."
Well Beternun the way I read it, the Lord is requiring a Prophet from amonung the brethren.
That he will put words into his mouth. That his(the Prophet's) words will be as the Lord said
them, in other words scripture as in times of old. It says it will require it of him.
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But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die. And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken, the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. . ."
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Our Prophet does not speak in the name of other Gods. You insist that this is so yet,
We are the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints. Christ's very own Church. The same
Church that Christ set up when he walked this earth. And yes prophesies do come forth.
I'm sorry they don't follow your time line.
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If the prophecy does not come to pass, the scripture is plain in stating that the individual is not a prophet of God and that he should be put to death. There is no acceptable average of correctness other than 100% correct, 100% of the time. Anything less had grave consequences.

The president of the Mormon Church is known as the "Prophet, Seer, and Revelator" of the church. It is their duty to divine the word of God, to be His mouthpiece.

Perhaps the most embarrassing prophecy that did not come to pass is the prophecy regarding the temple in Zion. The Doctrine and Covenants, a later book of revelations given by Joseph Smith, says this about the temple:

"Verily this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place.... For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord. . ."

This prophecy was in reference to Jackson County, Missouri. It is interesting to note that this prophecy was given in September of 1832 and that there has not been a temple built as of this date nor within the generation of those living in 1832.
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Again you do not know of Christ's Church as well as you think you know. The referance
did not say those living at that time, it said this generation. In LDS writings a
generation is a referance to a dispensation. Dispensation is the period of the Gospel.
For example: The time from Moses to Christ's Birth was a dispensation.
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Another prophecy related to the temple in Zion is found in Doctrine and Covenants 97:19. It states: "And the nations of the earth shall honor her, and shall say: Surely Zion is the city of our God, and surely Zion cannot fall, neither be moved out of her place, for God is there. . ."

Once again it is noteworthy that a temple was not built in Missouri, but that a temple WAS built in Salt Lake City. If the prophecy is true, Salt Lake City cannot be Zion. However, if Salt Lake City is indeed Zion, the prophecy is utterly false.
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Again you are utterly WRONG. You are not familiar with our truths at all. Zion at this
time is anywhere the saints live. The ultimate Zion will be as the Prophet Joseph said
in Jackson County Missouri. The Church owns and has already dedicated the land where the
Holy Temple of the Lord will be Built. And yes after the second comeing, all the Nations
will have no choice but to bow down before the Lord.
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On another occasion, February 14, 1835, Joseph Smith said that "it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh even fifty-six years should wind up the scene."{10} The truth regarding this prophecy that Jesus would return in 56 years is obvious to any living today. His bride is yet waiting His return after one hundred and fifty-five years.
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And indeed our Brethren did go to do their part in preparing the way for or Lord Jesus Christ
to come. Our Church is known as the Jesus's Church of LATER DAY SAINTS. And as far as Christ's
Second Comeing, we from his Church know that no one knows when our Lord will come to this
earth to reign except Our Father in Heaven Himself.
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The fact that these and other prophecies of Joseph Smith were not fulfilled leads us to only one conclusion in light of Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Joseph Smith was indeed a false prophet.>>>>

Time to reject either the counsel of Deuteronomy
18:20-22 or the FALSE PROPHET, Joseph Smith!Can't have both! I would recommending dumping Smith.

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Remember Beternun, in Deuteronomy 18:18 it requires us to have and follow a Prophet. Remember
you just can't pick and choose the scriptures you agree with and dump the others.
You again my sniveling cowardly freind havn't a religoius leg to stand on. No Pillars of
Truth. So heed to the words of
Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass that whosoever will not speak in my name, I will
require it of him.
Our Church is the same Church that our Lord set up during his ministry. Thier was no need for
a Prophet to speak for him when he was there to speak for himself. He Ordained 12 Apostels with
the priesthood. His church thrived until the death of the apostels and those they ordained
died off and the authority of the Priesthood was lost and the church started to alter their
beleifs. The Church was then restored uppon this earth with Joseph Smith. Joseph and others
received the authority dirrectly from Jesus Christ Himself. Our Church has a Prophet and 12
Apostles under Christ himself. Christ Church is not an assortment of different Churches and
different beleifs. We are as one whith Christ.

Now my irritating friend the Balls in your court. Either bring up your beleifs or this
discussion is over. Except for my small note to your post below on a different thread.

Keep Marching to Overcome Satan and his Disciples,
Skippy

I think I've figured out why betern-nun won't tell what church he attends.

I'm still trying to figure out how someone obviously so intelligent and educated could take a superstition so seriously....

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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
I'm still trying to figure out how someone obviously so intelligent and educated could take a superstition so seriously....

Bettern-nun? From reading his posts he doesn't strike me as being that intelligent.

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Sez RP: I'm still trying to figure out how someone obviously so intelligent and educated could take a superstition so seriously....

Maybe the person that "sprayed his monkey" was Mormon...

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Originally posted by skippy delepepper:
Remember Beternun, in Deuteronomy 18:18 it requires us to have and follow a Prophet.

Hi Dwight/Skippy,

Once again, my Friend, you are wrong.

Deuteronomy 18:18, "I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him."

In this Scripture verse God is telling the people of Israel that He will send them a prophet. Why? Because that was His method of communicating His message to His people at that time.

Today, He has given us the Bible. He communicates to us through His Written Word and through prayer. There are NO prophets today -- for He has given us a better way.

Next, you will be saying that God has commanded that all good Mormon men become gods. I wonder why your Mormon gods never tell the ladies that they will become goddesses.

By the way, isn't it a coincidence that both Dwight and Skippy do all their responses by inserting red text in the middle of other writings -- instead of taking the effort to respond in a manner which is easier to understand. And, that both have the same spelling mistakes.

Oh, well, I guess when two-is-one, those things happen.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Dwight and skippy sure "fire" you up. Now tell us what Ham said.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Dwight and skippy sure "fire" you up. Now tell us what Ham said.

Hi Jennifer,

No, I get a kick out of his feeble attempt at deceit. Over the years, we have had a few who were good at this multiple-persona deceit. But, this poor fellow is so transparent the light shining through hurts my eyes.

Regarding Ken Ham, I responded to the post you wrote one minute ago -- on that discussion.

My, my, you are an impatient little lady, aren't you? You post a question to me on the proper discussion -- then, jump over here and post the same thing one minute later.

However, I do suppose that as you grow into adulthood, much of that impatience will be tempered.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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My, my, you are an impatient little lady, aren't you? You post a question to me on the proper discussion -- then, jump over here and post the same thing one minute later.

You have to be ask over and over before you finally admit you don't know. So why are you so upset if you don't know what he said? Maybe he had it coming to him. Any proof they did all he accused them of doing?

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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My, my, you are an impatient little lady, aren't you? You post a question to me on the proper discussion -- then, jump over here and post the same thing one minute later.

You have to be ask over and over before you finally admit you don't know. So why are you so upset if you don't know what he said? Maybe he had it coming to him. Any proof they did all he accused them of doing?

ONCE AGAIN, JENNIFER - DO YOU "APPROVE" OF THE ATHEISTS POSTING PORN MATERIAL ON A CHRISTIAN WEB SITE?

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ONCE AGAIN, JENNIFER - DO YOU "APPROVE" OF THE ATHEISTS POSTING PORN MATERIAL ON A CHRISTIAN WEB SITE?

Once again bill I don't know what Ham said. Once again bill where is his proof of what they posted? Who saw it? Did you?

Skippy, you have posted a trove of misbegotten misinformation that is astonishing in its magnitude, exceeding even your previous eructations of the erroneous.

I gotcha false prophet, Spencer Kimball right heah along with another false prophet, Brigham Young! In this excerpt from the proceedings of the LDS Church's 1998 General Conference, the silly false prophet is quoted as commenting to the effect that native American children in the custody of Mormons are actually growing "white and delightsome as they were promised."

Here is the link to that load of racist tripe:
http://www.i4m.com/think/leade...imball-teachings.htm

That silly utterance harks back to another false prophecy, this one from Brigham Young:

<<<<"Second LDS President Brigham Young stated in 1859, "You may inquire of the intelligent of the world whether they can tell why the aborigines of this country are dark, loathsome, ignorant, and sunken into the depths of degradation ...When the Lord has a people, he makes covenants with them and gives unto them promises: then, if they transgress his law, change his ordinances, and break his covenants he has made with them, he will put a mark upon them, as in the case of the Lamanites and other portions of the house of Israel; but by-and-by they will become a white and delightsome people" (Journal of Discourses 7:336).>>>

More LDS racism, harking back to the Mormon proclamation that black people were dark skinned because that was a curse God placed on them. If you inquire of the "intelligent of the world" just what they think about this silly-assed Mormon racist notion, they will tell you, and what any intelligent and knowledgeable person will tell you about that is that Brigham was full of it!

This supposed miraculous and spontaneous bleaching out of the skins of native Americans and "other portions of the house of Israel" is just about the dumbest, most ludicrous false prophecy uttered by any Mormon and that is saying a lot, given the long and laughable history of false prophecy from prophets of the LDS cult.

"White and delightsome"? Bullfeathers. Here is a history of Mormonism's love affair with that silly racist mythology; read about Mormonism's junk genetics for a few laughs:

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/t...eanddelightsome.html

More on the utterances (really "NUTterances") of Mormon "prophets," from http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_brighamyoung.html
Be sure to read the material I have placed in bold face.

<<<<Thursday, Feb 16, 2006, at 09:13 AM
Why The "Adam-God Theory" Is So Very Important
Posted By Peep Stoner
BRIGHAM YOUNG ↑

I know that TBMs who have heard of Brigham Young's teachings stating that Adam is God--the very God we are supposed to worship--like to dismiss it as nothing more than an eccentric opinion held by Brigham Young, even though he preached this over the pulpit in his capacity as Prophet, Seer and Revelator.

Just one man's opinion. Nothing more to see here. Just let's move along and forget about it.

In another variation of Mormon magical thinking, they seem to think that such incantations can make a problem (so drastically wrong as misidentifying the god who is the subject of their worship) magically disappear.

But the Adam-God theory is indeed a much bigger problem than any of them let on and a powerful reason why any intellectually honest Latter-day Saint's "testimony" of prophets and all of the true priesthood/revelation/authority claims of Mormonism should be completely destroyed.

Think about it. The prophet, seer and revelator, the man who, according to Mormon doctrine, was the only man on earth authorized to exercise all of the keys of the priesthood, the only man on earth authorized to deliver messages and commandments to the world on behalf of god, didn't know who his god was. He instructed his followers to worship as god--the only god they should worship--a being who wasn't really entitled to such worship. He instructed his followers to believe that Adam was the father of Jesus. (It is the position of subsequent Mormon leaders that the Adam-God theory is not correct.)

Okay, how much clearer does it have to be? The Mormon Prophet Brigham Young--essentially the founder of the LDS Church that has its headquarters in Salt Lake City and which is currently headed up by Gordon B. Hinckley--misidentified god. The Mormon prophet thought he was worshipping Adam, while subsequent prophets claim that it was another being that should have been worshipped. If a Mormon prophet, presiding as god's mouthpiece over the Church for about 30 years cannot even accurately identify the god whom Mormons worship, what possible value is there in having a prophet?

In other words, the Mormon prophet was so clueless that he would not have been able to identify the correct god out of a group of people in a police-station line-up.

If the Mormon prophet had been a contestant on the game show "Tell the Truth", he would have identified Frank Abignale as god.

If the Mormon prophet was playing the "Deities and Impostors" category on Jeopardy and the name "Wayne Newton" came up in the box for $400, he likely would have responded by saying, "Alex, who is is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do?"

It is really simple. It is so fundamental that I cannot understand why more Mormons do not recognize it. It's like they are standing and directly facing a gigantic billboard just a few feet away from them with a message from the entire universe stating: "Get a clue! Mormonism is a colossal fraud!" And they just stand there telling each other: "Someone said there was a billboard with a message here. Do you see it? I sure don't see it."

They say the Mormon Prophet will never be allowed to lead people astray. Astray? How much more astray can you get than when you are taught to worship the wrong god?

Now hear the blowhard Briggy speak for himself:

Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken--HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later. They came here, organized the raw material, and arranged in their order the herbs of the field, the trees, the apple, the peach, the plum, the pear, and every other fruit that is desirable and good for man; the seed was brought from another sphere, and planted in this earth. The thistle, and thorn, the brier, and the obnoxious weed did not appear until after the earth was cursed. When Adam and Eve had eaten of the forbidden fruit, their bodies became mortal from its effects, and therefore their offspring were mortal. When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family; and when he took a tabernacle, it was begotten by his Father in heaven, after the same manner as the tabernacles of Cain, Abel, and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve; from the fruits of the earth, the first earthly tabernacles were originated by the Father, and so on in succession. I could tell you much more about this; but were I to tell you the whole truth, blasphemy would be nothing to it, in the estimation of the superstitious and over-righteous of mankind. However, I have told you the truth as far as I have gone. I have heard men preach upon the divinity of Christ, and exhaust all the wisdom they possessed. All Scripturalists, and approved theologians who were considered exemplary for piety and education, have undertaken to expound on this subject, in every age of the Christian era; and after they have done all, they are obliged to conclude by exclaiming "great is the mystery of godliness," and tell nothing.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.1, p.51, Brigham Young, April 9, 1852

Now THAT was something else, wasn't it? The Adam-God concept that Young actually believed and taught has become an embarrassment to later Mormons, even though Young was the church's "Prophet, Seer, and Revelator" when he came up with that silly and heretical doctrine. And the writer of the piece I have generously provided above is correct when he states that in Brigham Young the church had as its supreme spiritual leader a man who did not even know who God is!>>>>

The fatuous, fantastic, fanciful false and heretical utterances of Ole Brigham Young himself. My oh my!

Another fabulous web site loaded up with the goods on Mormonism!

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_brighamyoung.html

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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ONCE AGAIN, JENNIFER - DO YOU "APPROVE" OF THE ATHEISTS POSTING PORN MATERIAL ON A CHRISTIAN WEB SITE?

Once again bill I don't know what Ham said. Once again bill where is his proof of what they posted? Who saw it? Did you?

Hi Jennifer,

This is the original blog written by Ken Ham and is found at the URL link below. Of course, I am only showing an excerpt from that blog -- but, I do hope you will be able to find it and read the full blog article.

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Atheist Outline Their Global Religious Agenda:
By Ken Ham
http://blogs.answersingenesis....al-religious-agenda/

Recently, atheists met at a conference in Copenhagen and released what they call their “Copenhagen Declaration on Religion in Public Life,” which really means they released their statement of faith and their declaration against Christianity. Their declaration is reprinted below and indented, which is interspersed with my translation (not indented) on what they actually mean. These atheists think they can indoctrinate the public by their statements, but many are awake (and hopefully this blog post will help even more people to awaken) to their agenda to indoctrinate the public in their anti-God religion:

Copenhagen Declaration on Religion in Public Life:

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Yes, Jennifer, I believe in and support Answers In Genesis and Ken Ham -- and believe he is doing a great ministry for God.

I find nothing in this blog which warrants an atheist launched "PORN" attack against him or his ministry. The man who posted this trash on Ken's site -- said in an interview that he would not allow his young children to see and read what he had posted -- yet, he posted it on a public forum so that everyone else AND THEIR CHILDREN can view it and read it.

Could this be part of the secular "Moral Relativism," i.e., morals should be based upon personal likes and desires -- and not upon a set of Biblical standards?

Let me close by asking again:

ONCE AGAIN, JENNIFER - DO YOU "APPROVE" OF THE ATHEISTS POSTING PORN MATERIAL ON A CHRISTIAN WEB SITE?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by skippy delepepper:
Remember Beternun, in Deuteronomy 18:18 it requires us to have and follow a Prophet.

Hi Dwight/Skippy,

Once again, my Friend, you are wrong.

Deuteronomy 18:18, "I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him."

In this Scripture verse God is telling the people of Israel that He will send them a prophet. Why? Because that was His method of communicating His message to His people at that time.WOAH John boy, God is the same today aas yesterday and as He will be tomorrow, it says so in YOUR Bible. Where did you get the half baked idea that He no longer uses Prophets and that we dont need them today? God ALWAYS chooses a Prophet to speak to the people of the earth, even Pagans like you band Bet! The Bible can be explained in as many different ways as the people that pick it up. A Prophets words are direct from God and people like you cant twist his words like you do the Bible.

Today, He has given us the Bible.YO BUBBA, dont you know they had the written word of God bwhen Jesus was on the earth? In your way of explaining it, then Jesus didnt need to be there too because they had the Bible then too. He communicates to us through His Written Word and through prayer. There are NO prophets today -- for He has given us a better way.WHAT? A BETTER WAY? are you warped? Gods prophet speaks direct with God relaying His message to the people of the earth without thousands of ways to twist and interpit it like you guys do the Bible!

Next, you will be saying that God has commanded that all good Mormon men become gods. I wonder why your Mormon gods never tell the ladies that they will become goddesses.

By the way, isn't it a coincidence that both Dwight and Skippy do all their responses by inserting red text in the middle of other writings -- instead of taking the effort to respond in a manner which is easier to understand. Are you so dense that you cant understand a comment to each of your inaine posts? And, that both have the same spelling mistakes.Bill, you just cant stand getting blown out of the water. If you cant run with the big dogs get your wrinkely old but back under the porch. You are such a big joke, your religious knowledge is as a hoas frost and vapor it cant stand the heat.

Oh, well, I guess when two-is-one, those things happen.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

We Willie

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by skippy delepepper:
Remember Beternun, in Deuteronomy 18:18 it requires us to have and follow a Prophet.

Hi Dwight/Skippy,

Once again, my Friend, you are wrong.

Deuteronomy 18:18, [i]"I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him."[/i
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Hi Bill,
the picture below, thier cute kids. Sorry Dwight I don't read from the
New Wave Bible or whatever you read. The Bible we study from is the
King James Version. You no the one yours was translated from. The
official Bible says in Duet.18:18 I will raise a Prophet from among thier
brethren like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall
speak in my name, I will require it of him.
You change the text to try to alter it's meaning.
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In this Scripture verse God is telling the people of Israel that He will send them a prophet. Why? Because that was His method of communicating His message to His people at that time.
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You seem to read with your special glasses. You seem to think you
have the interpretive powers of God. I can see how you get it wrong
all the time by reading your special Bible. You can't have it both
ways. This scripture is to all man kind not just in times of old.
You claim you read scripture to know God's will. You can't say this
one is for us and that one isn't.
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Today, He has given us the Bible. He communicates to us through His Written Word and through prayer. There are NO prophets today -- for He has given us a better way.
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Are you serious? A better way than direct communication thru his
spoken word, I think not. There were Prophets in the Old Testament
and there is a Prophet today. When Jesus started his Church when he
came to this earth, he was the head and needed not a Prophet. He
Ordained his 12 apostles to continue on his Church. After his return
to His Father the Church thrived, but after time the Apostles and
those Ordained by them with authority of the Priesthood died off
and after a time the truth of the Gospel was lost. The time and place
was ripe for the Lord to restore His Gospel and Priesthood thru the
first Prophet of modern times or the Latter Days.
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Next, you will be saying that God has commanded that all good Mormon men become gods. I wonder why your Mormon gods never tell the ladies that they will become goddesses.
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Actualy LDS men are commanded to be Christ Like. Women too.
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By the way, isn't it a coincidence that both Dwight and Skippy do all their responses by inserting red text in the middle of other writings -- instead of taking the effort to respond in a manner which is easier to understand. And, that both have the same spelling mistakes.
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And again my freind Bill, I tol you I only have one finger that
knows how to type. And look up as many words as I can. I only have
24 hour in a day. And to mix it up for ya I did some in black, enjoy.
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Oh, well, I guess when two-is-one, those things happen.
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Even though your not as bright as Betenun thinks he is, at least
you have a sense of humor.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Thanks buddy you too.
Keep Marching,
Skippy

DWIGHT/SKIPPY, THANK YOU FOR VALIDATING MY CONCLUSIONS ABOUT YOUR FEEBLE ATTEMPT AT MULTIPLE-PERSONAS!

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
DWIGHT/SKIPPY, THANK YOU FOR VALIDATING MY CONCLUSIONS ABOUT YOUR FEEBLE ATTEMPT AT MULTIPLE-PERSONAS!

Any time pal.

Keep trying,
Skippy

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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ONCE AGAIN, JENNIFER - DO YOU "APPROVE" OF THE ATHEISTS POSTING PORN MATERIAL ON A CHRISTIAN WEB SITE?

Well, since she's not gonna answer it right away, *I* will....


I do not approve.

Like someone said in the other thread about it-it was a childish thing to do.

There are better ways to handle someone with whom you disagree.

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Originally posted by Road Puppy:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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ONCE AGAIN, JENNIFER - DO YOU "APPROVE" OF THE ATHEISTS POSTING PORN MATERIAL ON A CHRISTIAN WEB SITE?

Well, since she's not gonna answer it right away, *I* will....


I do not approve.

Like someone said in the other thread about it-it was a childish thing to do.

There are better ways to handle someone with whom you disagree.

I did answer him. And Ham is insane. I doubt they even posted actual "hardcore" porn on his site. None of bill's "sites" show what they claim was posted by the atheists and they won't post what Ham said to earn his "retaliation". So I said I'd have to reserve judgement until I saw it. I'd never heard of Ham and did a search on him. He's a nut and apparently not well thought of among other groups of christians.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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ONCE AGAIN, JENNIFER - DO YOU "APPROVE" OF THE ATHEISTS POSTING PORN MATERIAL ON A CHRISTIAN WEB SITE?

Once again bill I don't know what Ham said. Once again bill where is his proof of what they posted? Who saw it? Did you?

Oh, OK. Well regardless of who did it-it's still asshattery.

OK, I will admit it. There are some out there that even us athiests are ashamed of.

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Originally posted by bluetick:
OK, I will admit it. There are some out there that even us athiests are ashamed of.

we all have people we are ashamed of when they claim to be leaders of our belief, or lack their of.

i believe.. yet i have bill gray and betty, but on the other side, i have Veep. she and i don't agree 100% on everything, but i'd gladly stand aside for her because she absoloutly exemplifies what a christ-like life should be.
love, understanding, compassion, and a firm iron clad belief.

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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
Oh, OK. Well regardless of who did it-it's still asshattery.

It well could be asshattery as you say. But from what little bill has offered as proof of what they did I'm not going to jump up and condemn them. That's why I bothered to try to find out what happened. It seems like Ham is the master of asshattery and someone gave him a little payback. In what form we don't know because bill can't show us, but we're just supposed to take his word for it that it was bad. Could have been but then again, how bad was what Ham did? The man's a nutjob so I'm sure he wasn't being kind and gentle in whatever he said about atheists.

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Originally posted by thenagel:

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Originally posted by bluetick:
OK, I will admit it. There are some out there that even us athiests are ashamed of.

we all have people we are ashamed of when they claim to be leaders of our belief, or lack their of.

i believe.. yet i have bill gray and betty, but on the other side, i have Veep. she and i don't agree 100% on everything, but i'd gladly stand aside for her because she absoloutly exemplifies what a christ-like life should be.
love, understanding, compassion, and a firm iron clad belief.

Actually I'm not "ashamed of" anyone. I don't have an atheist leader, guru, whatever anyone wants to call it, and other atheists don't have to answer to me.

Bill ran in and made a thread about atheists doing something to one of his esteemed leaders but was very vague about the details. He wants the atheists to condemn the ones that "did the deed" so to speak. How can we if we don't know if what they did was as vile as bill claims, or what Ham did to prompt the "retaliation"?

Although bill says he doesn't know exactly what Ham did he does know Ham didn't do anything to deserve what he got. Say what?

Should anyone go to a "christian" site and post actual porn? I'd say no. No one should do that to anyone. But then again if you dish it out you're going to have expect it and be able to take it, and from the things I've read about Ham since yesterday he likes to dish it out.

Bill getting so upset is kinda funny because after all he has ZERO remorse about the things he says about other christians that don't believe the way he does, and all atheists knows what he thinks of us.

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Originally posted by bluetick:
OK, I will admit it. There are some out there that even us athiests are ashamed of.

There are some out there that Christians should be ashamed of.