Originally posted by vplee123:
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
In World War 2, we fought Nazism and Socialism. In Korea and Vietnam, we fought Communism. In Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. -- we are fighting a mixture of Islam and Terrorism -- the two go hand in hand.
wrong. stereotypical and judgemental (sic) generalization. Islam is a peaceful religion. EXTREMISTS can occur in any religion, Bill.
Somehow, I get the feeling that if I said, "Doo doo stinks!"
-- you would swear it smelled like roses! And, YOU tell me that my writings are full of hate?
Okay, let's talk about your Religion Of Peace, Islam.
From the web site: TheReligionOfPeace.Com http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AboutSite.htm
TheReligionofPeace.com is a non-partisan and pluralistic site concerned with Islam's true political and cultural teachings according to its own texts. We are not associated with nor funded by any organization. Here is why we exist:
On 9/11, nineteen devout Muslims believed they had a religious mandate to fly planes into buildings and slaughter thousands of innocent people.
The Muslim world erupted with outrage over this horrible act of mass murder. Massive demonstrations were held in nearly every Muslim country and Western city. At these demonstrations, Muslim leaders harshly denounced Islamic terror and shared the many hundreds of verses from the Qur'an that encourage universal brotherhood, peace and tolerance. A slew of fatwas and clerical condemnations against terror soon followed.
Tens of millions of ordinary Muslims also reacted by rallying against violence and demanding that their leaders root out and eliminate the Islamic terrorists and their supporters. These same Muslims and their clerics called for introspection and atonement, accepting the role that the radical elements of their religion played in the attacks, and committing themselves to combating and eradicating the misinterpretation of their religion - the Religion of Peace... Well, not quite.
Obviously this didn't happen. If it had, then Islamic terror would have ended -- 9/11 would have been a singular event -- and this web site would not exist.
Unfortunately, the optimistic and fictitious picture that we just painted of Muslim reaction to terror and the predominance of peaceful Qur'anic verses could not be any further from the truth. In fact, some Muslims actually celebrated the attacks
, and not just overseas, but even in the offices of the U.S. State Department.
A member of the Islamist group, Hamas, actually described the attacks as "one of the miracles of the Qur'an."
Australia's Grand Mufti said they were "God's work against oppressors."
Even Islamic apologist pollsters, Esposito and Mogahed, were forced to admit that about 1 out of 3 Muslims worldwide view the terrorism of 9/11 as justified
(about 450 million believers).
Okay, so what do the Islamic books, the Qur'an and the Hadith, tell us about the religion of Islam?
On TheReligionofPeace.com -- Guide to Understanding Islam http://www.thereligionofpeace....ran/023-violence.htm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++The Qur'an contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers.
Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
These verses are mostly open-ended, meaning that the historical context is not embedded within the surrounding text - as are nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Qur'an.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. This proclivity toward violence - and Muhammad's own martial legacy - has left a trail of blood and tears across world history. FROM THE QUR'AN:
Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Qur'an (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Qur'an (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book"
refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Qur'an (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..." FROM THE HADITH:
Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Muslim (1:33) - The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.
Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"
Muslim (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite.'"
Tabari 9:69 - "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"
The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."
Muhammad's instructions to his men prior to a military raid. ADDITIONAL NOTES:
In fact, many Muslims are simply unaware of the Qur'an's near absence of verses that preach universal non-violence. This is because their understanding of Islam comes from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for Muslims to come to believe that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught that Islam is supposed to be superior in every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the evidence of the Qur'an and the bloody history of Islam are very much in contradiction to this.
For their part, Western liberals would do well not to sacrifice critical thinking on the altar of political correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous. There are just too many Muslims who take the Qur'an literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done in the name of Islam.
And, VP, my Friend -- that is your Religion of Peace, Islam. To me, even though there are many very nice people who are Muslim -- the religion itself teaches murder, death, destruction, world domination -- all in the name of Allah.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,