Who knew we would have a test of this law this soon.  If he had been drinking, they need to throw the book at him.

 

I did notice that the biased Timesdaily reported "It’s illegal to carry a gun on school property in Alabama."  Check out the comments under the article if you want clarification and quoted law regarding the fact that this statement is not entirely true.

 

http://www.timesdaily.com/news...48-10604b9f6eda.html

 

I did notice other news agencies reporting the issue with a little more clarity and truth -

 

http://www.waff.com/story/2319...inging-gun-to-school

 

Notice, in the WAFF article, it states "the individual was found to be in violation of the Open Carry Law on school premises" from the statement given by the Superintendent.  Notice it does not mention concealed carry, which is the only exception given for carrying on school property according to Section 13A-11-72 -

 

Premises of a public school. The term "public school" as used in this section applies only to a school composed of grades K-12 and shall include a school bus used for grades K-12.
(c) Subject to the exceptions provided by Section 13A-11-74, no person shall knowingly with intent to do bodily harm carry or possess a deadly weapon on the premises of a public school.
(d) Possession of a deadly weapon with the intent to do bodily harm on the premises of a public school in violation of subsection (c) of this section is a Class C felony.
(e) Law enforcement officers are exempt from this section, and persons with pistol permits issued pursuant to Section 13A-11-75, are exempt from the provisions of subsection (c) of this section.

 

I can only assume, from the information given so far, that he did not have a CC permit.  If he did, I'm sure it will be revoked rather quickly if he was at all intoxicated.....

Beam me up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life here......

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Here is a little more information on the arrest - turns out he does not have a concealed carry permit (according to WHNT).  From what I can tell, no weapons charges yet, but if he became unruly, I would bet the Feds jump in with the 'gun free zone' laws saying he intended to do harm with the pistol.

 

The parent has been charged with public intoxication, having a pistol without a permit, and criminal trespassing.

 

Florence police say they will present the incident to the ATF for possible federal charges for having the pistol on school grounds.

 

http://whnt.com/2013/08/20/par...ng-lunch-with-child/

Ohhh, and before anyone chastises me for not already doing so, good job to those that identified this idiot and removed him from the school quickly.  I hate that we don't have the funds to have a metal detector at the primary entrance to all these schools during the day (might have prevented him from gaining access to the school in the first place).  As we have said before, no amount of legislation can prevent insane people from doing insane things, but at least there was an SRO on site to address it quickly!

Originally Posted by seeweed:

This is the kind of person for whom  our senators voted to make access to guns easier.


BULLONY - Seeing as how this guy went to a grade school drunk and was illegally concealing a gun, how in the world do you figure he is going to suddenly obey the law and buy a gun legally?  Yeah, I bet he's shaking in his boots at the gun laws. 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

He said he thought the new gun laws made it legal for him to carry concealed into the school. These new laws need to be better clarified to the public. Without rhetoric and political slant.

 

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By "He" you mean the individual who was arrested for public intoxication?

 

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

In many states it is perfectly legal to have a gun on school grounds. In Tennessee, for example, '...anyone LEGALLY able to possess a gun may have it IN THEIR VEHICLE on school grounds AS LONG AS: it is NOT handled and it is NOT displayed.'  That is the law.

Yep, and i have yet to hear one Alabama school representative explain what security devices they are placing at the entrances to the parking lots to allow them to skirt that requirement for banning concealed carry in a vehicle on school property.  They talk about the doors to the school as if those doors somehow limit entry to the parking lots themselves.

 

And i have yet to see a reporter with the guts to ask the question either......

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

NRA run-a-muck. this dude needs to call those on here for assistance. i'll bet the lot is diving for cover.lol

what about it dire are you down at the jail-house to advise him yet?

 

my advice, don't take your guns to school boys.



He had no ccp and was intoxicated genius.  Trust me, no one with an IQ north of 50 is going to take advice from you.

Originally Posted by Capt James T:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

In many states it is perfectly legal to have a gun on school grounds. In Tennessee, for example, '...anyone LEGALLY able to possess a gun may have it IN THEIR VEHICLE on school grounds AS LONG AS: it is NOT handled and it is NOT displayed.'  That is the law.

Yep, and i have yet to hear one Alabama school representative explain what security devices they are placing at the entrances to the parking lots to allow them to skirt that requirement for banning concealed carry in a vehicle on school property.  They talk about the doors to the school as if those doors somehow limit entry to the parking lots themselves.

 

And i have yet to see a reporter with the guts to ask the question either......

One provision is a guard or guards. Do you believe a school resource officer qualifies as such? And another example, if a school locked all doors but one, and required a check-in point prior to entry, would that satisfy the requirement? Just curious about the consensus.

Originally Posted by wright35633:
One provision is a guard or guards. Do you believe a school resource officer qualifies as such? And another example, if a school locked all doors but one, and required a check-in point prior to entry, would that satisfy the requirement? Just curious about the consensus.

I believe, under the new law, the schools can prohibit weapons within the controlled access areas of the buildings if they meet the requirements of having an SRO onsite AND controlled access (secured doors, etc.)  The law does use the word 'and' regarding the two. 

 

However, I do not think this applies to the parking lots.  Access to the parking lots is not controlled in any way at most schools, so they would not fulfill the second part of the law unless they fenced the entire property and had the entrances gated with controlled access to those gates.

 

Wright - how do you read it on parking lots?  The issue I have with the entire thing is the same issue I had with employers banning guns in cars - if you cant have your gun in your car when you pick up your kids, you pretty much cant carry the gun at all 5 days a week.  If they let this stand, the gun control crowd wins by default 5 days a week in most cases.

Originally Posted by Capt James T:
Originally Posted by wright35633:
One provision is a guard or guards. Do you believe a school resource officer qualifies as such? And another example, if a school locked all doors but one, and required a check-in point prior to entry, would that satisfy the requirement? Just curious about the consensus.

I believe, under the new law, the schools can prohibit weapons within the controlled access areas of the buildings if they meet the requirements of having an SRO onsite AND controlled access (secured doors, etc.)  The law does use the word 'and' regarding the two. 

 

However, I do not think this applies to the parking lots.  Access to the parking lots is not controlled in any way at most schools, so they would not fulfill the second part of the law unless they fenced the entire property and had the entrances gated with controlled access to those gates.

 

Wright - how do you read it on parking lots?  The issue I have with the entire thing is the same issue I had with employers banning guns in cars - if you cant have your gun in your car when you pick up your kids, you pretty much cant carry the gun at all 5 days a week.  If they let this stand, the gun control crowd wins by default 5 days a week in most cases.

I agree to an extent. That was my point initially. With an SRO and a controlled access point, schools can prevent someone from entering with a firearm. I'm with you on the lot. Maybe a concealed carry provision there instead of leaving it widely up for interpretation.

I have a CCW permit, but I see no reason to carry into a school when I drop off my child (even before the change in the law).  The chances of something happening at the school is so slim that its not worth the hassle of explaining why I have it and risking the school banning me (which is their prerogative and within their rights.) 

 

I do think that specifically trained volunteer employees should be able to carry.  Franklin County had the right idea. 

 

The problem is the fact that school spokesman, as well as some police departments, are announcing that the ban is in effect for the school property, including parking lots and pickup areas.  That doesn't seem to be what the law states.  They talk about how they want to make sure everyone 'understands' the law, but then they interpret the law how they want to, leaving out the parts that don't fit what they want to say.  And no one calls them out on it. 

 

They could have been crystal clear about it like they are in TN.  I expect that there will be additional legislation in the coming years to clarify it like they had to do with the idea of open carry being disorderly conduct in the current legislation.

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