Florence Mayor's Race 2008

The mayor says he is getting people back here that left. To do what? Work at Bass Pro?

Good discussion on this in "politics" section.

I don't see a problem with the Comprehensive Plan. I think the ones that worked on it had the best interest of Florence at heart. Some of you that bssh the Mayor need to think of those that worked so hard to make it happen.
I for one appreciate the hard work and I will be proud to retire in a town that knows where it's going in the future.

You will be right at home with all the other retirees because that is all that will be here at this rate.The younguns' are leaving and sure won't return to work at a Bass Pro Shop. Thanks for putting us through that "mayor." The only redeeming thing in it is that it got shot down by more sensible people. And showed our citizens who is really for the people and who ain't.

I dont mind the retired people coming. They bring in lots of money. Most that I know who have moved here sold modest homes in California for a million or so and have come here for a nice standard of living at a lower cost. They spend money. Not a problem. I have never heard such hysterical, reactionary bull**** as some of this ranting and raving about every elected official in the area. Shut the **** up and run for office.

Okay, I think I will. Good Idea.

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Originally posted by sasparila:
Okay, I think I will. Good Idea.

Excellent idea - go for it.

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Originally posted by sasparila:
You will be right at home with all the other retirees because that is all that will be here at this rate.The younguns' are leaving and sure won't return to work at a Bass Pro Shop. Thanks for putting us through that "mayor." The only redeeming thing in it is that it got shot down by more sensible people. And showed our citizens who is really for the people and who ain't.

"Blah, Blah, Blah. The sky is falling... Bass Pro... Mayor Irons... SEDA... Retirement Community... Vote Them All Out..."

Is anyone else sick of seeing this same post every single time?

All I know about the "plan" is what I read in the paper. It sounds like a great idea to me.
In college I took a graduate course in city planning. Sonds like someone who worked on this took a course. Green areas, community living (walk to work, to shop etc)
Sounds good to me as a plan. Just what will actually happen remains to be seen.

Yes it is a good plan. So why is the Mayor so intent on violating it? Huh?

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Originally posted by sasparila:
Yes it is a good plan. So why is the Mayor so intent on violating it? Huh?

Provide the needed backup data - in other words - give us the evidence. Thoroughly explain what your grievances are and allow us the opportunity to review the Mayors side of things. Can you do that? Huh? This ranting is useless without reasoning and proof.

Bobby Irons attempted to cover-up the damaging Gas Dept Audit findings and then greased the Dept Mgr who caused the whole mess to begin with. He handles it sneakily instead of upfront and firmly. He essentially paid the guy off with tax money to keep it all quiet as possible. Irons attempted to cover up a theft at Blackberry Trail. He did it sneakily. Irons did nothing about Neese. He wanted it swept under the rug. Only the action of two courageous council members got done what will now recover money for the city and taxpayers. Irons is complicit in the mis-leading and horrendous attempt to land-grab Vet. Park for the idiotic Bass Pro deal. At taxpayer expense.They are still after the land. Irons cronies that is. Watch as Bob Hill's fingerprints are all over the next round of bull****. Bob is Tammy's "partner." You know "law" partner. They cover that up too if you know what I mean. Irons uses the humble pie routine to get away with stuff that is in reality very sel-serving and not in the city's interest but his own and his benefactors. He wants to keep a lid on everything because that is in his percieved self-interest. His style is for everybody to be quiet good little boys and girls and do what daddy says. That is a recipe for corruption and more bad gov't. The people need to see gov't leaders take right action. It won't upset us. What upsets us is more cover ups of misdeeds and stupid policy and actions. Irons is an insult to this city really. He thinks the people are stupid. He can do anything he wants because of who he is, that name. If he had acted rightly on these he would be seen as a hero, instead of now losing support everyday, and rightfully so. People are not stupid and they see through it just like I do. The Irons machine is running out of gas. It is breaking down because it is based on BS at heart. THe next election will provide some great opportunity for someone with the nerve and ability to do it to make a great case why these Irons are a hypocritical joke and that what we need is real leadership with back-bone. That will inspire people and will put the city on strong footing because the citizens will believe in it. THat's what real leadership is about. THat's what democracty is about. Any body who does not get that, or care about that, ought to just go home and go to bed and put us out of their misery. There. You asked.

The above post is in answer to "snake's" request for some details on why Irons is unfit for leadership. I am awaiting "snake's" or anybody else response. Go ahead. Make my day!

Well, I looked all of the above allegations up on the T.D. site archives. I have found Nothing that indicates that Mayor Irons "covered up" anything. The FloGas mess cannot be prosecuted due to the statute of limitations, which means it occured before the Irons administration. The F.B.I. investigated the whole mess and to date Mayor Irons has not been a factor of the investigation. It bears mentioning that Mayor Irons relieved Mr. Lovelace of his post at FloGas, and reserved the right to fire him outright if any evidence was found of him being culpable in any illegal activity. I sort of trust the F.B.I. on this one - I hardly think they are on the Irons payroll like all the rest of the world.
I have also researched the proposals for Veterans park, which belongs to T.V.A. and is leased by the City of Florence. I have found no evidence of wrong doing by Mayor Irons. The only thing was one letter signed by the mayors of Sheffield, Muscle Shoals, and Florence. Leland Howard also signed this letter as a member of the city council. The only real problem with this is that the full council did not approve Irons or Howard doing this. T.V.A. has the last word and as of yet no decision has been made as to what will happen with the park. I personally dont know many people who use the park in its present state. The space is not all that well designed nor is it kept all that well. Its recreation areas are a bit dated and could use some work - clearly. Once again - I am not finding anything much that indicates some illegal activity, nor the potential for Mayor Irons to benefit personally from Veterans Parks possible development.
As for the rest of that drivil above, I am not reading anything that proves Mayor Irons is a corrupt, criminal, with evil intentions. All I see is allegations not backed up by any real evidence of wrong doing. I see some remark about Tammy Irons and Bob Hill being "partners", which is of no interest to me at all. I see speculation on Mayor Irons character which are a little vague and rambling, and I see that there are only two allegations mentioned. The rest is just personal opinion and speculation. Two thirds of the post is sheer opinion based on intense dislike for the Mayor. The other third was easily reviewed in news accounts published by the T.D. In over an hour of reading I have found that none of the above is proof of criminal activity or corruption. I do see some rambling, vindictive and poorly articulated dislike of the Mayor and everyone except 2 council members. If you come up with proof - post it. Personal opinion based on speculation and suspicion just aint gonna get it. Call the F.B.I, the Alabama Attorney General, the D.A. - unless they are also on the Irons payroll.

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Originally posted by sasparila:
The above post is in answer to "snake's" request for some details on why Irons is unfit for leadership. I am awaiting "snake's" or anybody else response. Go ahead. Make my day!

Oh please.....are you kidding? Besides, I am detecting a similar writing style and interest in subject. I suspect collusion. "Make my day" -Lol.....too funny. We done got us a tough guy up in here.

Another lawyered up rhetorical answer to coverIrons ********... The citizens of Florence see through Irons now. They know he is full of it, as do city employees. He mis-leads instead of leads.
The clock is ticking on the Irons Administration. Tick tock, tick tock, .....time is running out. The people are fed up.

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Originally posted by toomanyironsinthefire:
Another lawyered up rhetorical answer to coverIrons ********... The citizens of Florence see through Irons now. They know he is full of it, as do city employees. He mis-leads instead of leads.
The clock is ticking on the Irons Administration. Tick tock, tick tock, .....time is running out. The people are fed up.

Ummmmmmm.......yeah. Speaking for the entire of the city of Florence and all municipal employees are we? Big responsibility there fella. Since facts are not admissible
and reason does not seem to factor into this discussion, I guess there is no point in proceeding. Your discussions are single issue rants without any vestige of reality involved. You seem to think because you say a thing its fact. Hate to tell ya - that aint the way it works. I carefully scanned the available records on this site and discovered no shread of evidence that your allegations are factual. If you know something the TD needs to publish in order to prosecute wrong doing I strongly urge you to call them and actually do something about it. Short of that - I'm done with you.

I'm with you meanassnake -- a lot of things that people blame mayor Irons for were things that the previous mayor's fault and the previous council's. Jordan was buddies with Neese and helped foster his loans and Jordan was teh one who tried to cover up the gas dept fiasco. You are not happy with Irons and that is obvious, but don't blame him for things that are not his issue.

Also, you continue to praise the 2 lone council members -- I will agree that Carrier and Pickens have done good things, but they are not perfect and have not done as much for the city as you would like everyone to believe. Everyone praises Scott -- anyone that has the demons that he deals with deserves praise, yes, but you can't overlook that those demons do at times affect his performance as a councilman. He will probably run for mayor in 2008 and he has a good shot at it, but to be honest -- I'm not sure yet that he will get my vote.

Florence has big issues and I would like to see CArrier and Pickens come up with ideas to fix those issues...at this point they are clinging to fixing the things that lawsuits and public outcry to stand on, but have they given any real input as to how to get the utility rates to stop rising, how to get the cable costs to stop rising, how to bring more jobs to the area and how to market our area for the future? They are good at calling other people out for their mistakes, but are not offering a whole lot to build our future. I'm just not buying it at this point.

Heres something to think about....when things got stressful for Carrier he disappeared for a few days or was it weeks with no notification to anyone...what is he going to do when he becomes Mayor and starts getting heat from the public and the council because his "plans" arent' what they all agree with...is he going to continue to get into shouting matches at the council meetings with Howard? Is he going to disappear for a few days with no notification to anyone? No one is perfect. Just because he has a lot of "support" to run for mayor because of our dissatisfaction doesn't mean he will have a bed of roses as mayor.

Sorry I'm just playing the devil's advocate here...don't get me wrong...I like Scott and I voted for him -- but the main reason I voted for him was becasue I couldn't, in good conscience, vote for Jordan .... I also voted for Irons because I thought he was the best man for the job...

The gas audit findings came out in this Iron's administration, not Jordan's,and got dealt with very sneakily and weakly. Like a lot of things. All I hear from Irons supporters are excuses and then attacks on Carrier. That's it. Never any good reason to keep him around longer than August of 2008. Like in the Neese thing, Pickens and Carrier had the nerve to tackle it while the others , Irons included and mainly, ran and hid behind rhetoric and excuses.Irons wanted it swept under the rug like anything that might ruffle feathers. He is not the change people wanted last time around. This time perhaps we will get it right. Elections are for corrections. As for disappearing, Bobby Irons checked out on us recently for an unexplained and hush, hush, situation. He missed a council meeting unexplained and left people wondering.He was out and did not notify anybody why. So what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Scott has never done anything but fight for what he thinks is right. He is a man of the people, with no hidden agendas. He has courage and wit and more character than most. The citizens by and large like and respect him. With good reason. He is not trying to hoo-doo us. He is willing to take the slander and dirty tricks because he thinks it is worth it to give the citizens of Florence a government they can believe in and respect, instead of one constantly frustrating and irritating them and trying to fool them. Irons says on one hand Carrier is just trying to make a name to run for mayor and then turns around and says it is political suicide to challenge an Irons. Which is it ? If Carrier just wanted mayor he probably would not publicly challenge the sainted Irons. Scott takes a risk when he does that. He could just go along to get along. But he does not because he genuinely knows that what he is doing is right and that it is Irons who is wrong. Many people respect that. More people than the Irons camp believes are with Scott Carrier. If Scott's reward is Mayor then good for him. He paid his dues. I respect the heck out of it. Why should we reward Irons, just because of his name? Carrier has earned it. He is a fighter, and fights for the people and not against them. This has been shown time and time again. Bobby Irons has a Tiger by the Tail and is in for the ride of his life.Scott ain't no "yes" man. He is his own man. A lot of us love him for it.

OK, you need to do a TD search PRIOR TO 2005 because the gas department issue had been going on since 2003 in the Jordan era -- I get it that you dislike with a passion Bobby Irons and that you are stuck on Scott Carrier -- that is your prerogative. I have not claimed to be pro-Irons in any of this, but I don't blame a man for dealing with something that was going 2 years before he was even elected. The audit did not come out until after he was elected, but someone else was trying to cover it up before Irons got there -- Irons is the one that removed Lovelace -- he dealt with the issue that JOrdan tried to sweep under the rug.

Now I remember why I don't post on any Carrier topic -- he has a cult following and even when faced with facts...they turn a blind eye...I commended Carrier and PIckens for their stand -- but I'm asking what their plan is to fix the things I listed in my post.

good news saturday this week scott anounced that he is running for mayor publicly , so now is the time to start getting everyone you know registered to vote, this will be the peoples choice for mayor. grassroots people, with grassroot leadership. scott is very excited and honored to run at the request of so many. rememeber get EVERYONE out to vote. there has beem so talk for this NOW IS THE TIME TO REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE

Irons DID NOT GET RID OF LOVELACE. He KEPT HIM ON THE PAYROLL and just moved his office over to City Hall. What Roger Dodger got was a FREE-RIDE at TAXPAYER EXPENSE courtesy of "mayor" Bobby Irons. Get your facts straight and lay off the Irons Kool-Aid.

I am with you 100% Quillen. It was actually Thursday night at American Legion where Carrier reportedly said he is running for Mayor. He's had enough BS and finally just got fed up enough to throw his hat in the ring. He has nothing to lose and we have everything to gain. Now, Irons, he has plenty to lose. He may find out that people are on to him more than he could ever imagine. He will find out on election day August 2008. Count on that.

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Originally posted by toomanyironsinthefire:
Irons DID NOT GET RID OF LOVELACE. He KEPT HIM ON THE PAYROLL and just moved his office over to City Hall. What Roger Dodger got was a FREE-RIDE at TAXPAYER EXPENSE courtesy of "mayor" Bobby Irons. Get your facts straight and lay off the Irons Kool-Aid.

From this link http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20...chID=73279667440707:

In August, Irons removed Roger Lovelace as gas department manager after a forensic audit of the gas department returned results that questioned some internal practices. The Florence gas department has been under scrutiny from city council members since late 2002.


http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671306322 Article from Jan 9, 2003 regarding audit that was what started the whole thing...

http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671404804 Feb 6, 2003

http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671462834 May 29, 2003 Floweb & Gas Dept being investigated

http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671512990 Nov21, 2003 Lovelace delays retirement

http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671566942 Apr 27, 2004


http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671603957 Feb 20, 2005 Irons requests forensic audit -- this is AFTER his election in 2004

http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671676736 Aug23, 2005 Irons removed Lovelace...


Do I need to continue to give you the links to the history of when the audit began and who was to blame with the initial cover up -- this was an inherited issue...

I suggest you lay off the KoolAid...Trust me, I see all of our officials for what they are doing...I am not happy with the state of our city, but that is not one person's fault -- that burden is spread across several...my vote will reflect my opinons of ALL of our elected officials...I won't try to convince you that you are blaming the wrong person for everything -- you need to spread your blame around a little more though...My signature says it all...

You are trying hard, I will give you that. Look, Bobby Irons should have fired Roger Lovelace on the spot as soon as the findings came out, not payed him his full salary while he sat in a cushy non-job at city hall for so long, with full ride benefits, retirement, the works.All Irons did was move him over and called it "removal". Lovelace bluffed Irons and Irons folded. A real leader would have called the bluff, not fell for it. Also, you got to carefully listen to Irons. He rhetorically covers his ass but it is all mis-leading crap at the bottom-line.If you call that strong and decisive leadership you are as crazy as the Irons spokeswoman who came to the council meeting that night and attacked Scott. I call his solution and "mis-leadership" weak and indecisive, no back-bone, wishy-washy, mush. In other words, typical Bobby Irons.

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Originally posted by DixieChik:

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Originally posted by toomanyironsinthefire:
Irons DID NOT GET RID OF LOVELACE. He KEPT HIM ON THE PAYROLL and just moved his office over to City Hall. What Roger Dodger got was a FREE-RIDE at TAXPAYER EXPENSE courtesy of "mayor" Bobby Irons. Get your facts straight and lay off the Irons Kool-Aid.

From this link http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20...chID=73279667440707:

In August, Irons removed Roger Lovelace as gas department manager after a forensic audit of the gas department returned results that questioned some internal practices. The Florence gas department has been under scrutiny from city council members since late 2002.


http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671306322 Article from Jan 9, 2003 regarding audit that was what started the whole thing...

http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671404804 Feb 6, 2003

http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671462834 May 29, 2003 Floweb & Gas Dept being investigated

http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671512990 Nov21, 2003 Lovelace delays retirement

http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671566942 Apr 27, 2004


http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671603957 Feb 20, 2005 Irons requests forensic audit -- this is AFTER his election in 2004

http://search.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...rchID=73279671676736 Aug23, 2005 Irons removed Lovelace...


Do I need to continue to give you the links to the history of when the audit began and who was to blame with the initial cover up -- this was an inherited issue...

I suggest you lay off the KoolAid...Trust me, I see all of our officials for what they are doing...I am not happy with the state of our city, but that is not one person's fault -- that burden is spread across several...my vote will reflect my opinons of ALL of our elected officials...I won't try to convince you that you are blaming the wrong person for everything -- you need to spread your blame around a little more though...My signature says it all...

I like smart people.... people that can look things up and look at all sides of the spectrum.... great posts....TY DC

Yes, very impressive. Snort, snort.

Thanks OB, unfortunately this thread is very "closed minded" and not worth the time or effort...we'll see how the votes go when the time comes....I may or may not vote for Irons that remains to be determined depending on who runs against him...I won't be voting for Carrier for Mayor -- I think he should stay on the council--since I am in his district I can say I would most likely cast my vote for him again in that seat--I don't see a lot of improvement for my district--he's been too busy "running for mayor" already -- there are still a lot of run-down houses that are eyesores and several dead vehicles that need to be addressed and he could be pushing for more police coverage in the area among other things, but he is too busy trying to help everyone else in the city as a whole instead so I guess that gets a 'good job' out of me...just wish he spent more energy on his district--you know those of us that put him in the seat he's in to begin with...I think the right person will come to the front before all is said and done to be the Mayor of Florence...

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Originally posted by DixieChik:
Thanks OB, unfortunately this thread is very "closed minded" and not worth the time or effort...we'll see how the votes go when the time comes....I may or may not vote for Irons that remains to be determined depending on who runs against him...I won't be voting for Carrier for Mayor -- I think he should stay on the council--since I am in his district I can say I would most likely cast my vote for him again in that seat--I don't see a lot of improvement for my district--he's been too busy "running for mayor" already -- there are still a lot of run-down houses that are eyesores and several dead vehicles that need to be addressed and he could be pushing for more police coverage in the area among other things, but he is too busy trying to help everyone else in the city as a whole instead so I guess that gets a 'good job' out of me...just wish he spent more energy on his district--you know those of us that put him in the seat he's in to begin with...I think the right person will come to the front before all is said and done to be the Mayor of Florence...

Well said - I live in his district as well. The saturation of Carrier posts have bored me. I am finished with them for a while. This electioneering is a little early and tiresome.

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Originally posted by sasparila:
Yes, very impressive. Snort, snort.

Ummmmmmm.......Yeah. Again, great retort.

I posted this one of the dozen other threads about this topic....

A quote from my favorite movie "An American President" fits this whole situation perfectly.....


[President Shepherd watches his opponent's campaign ad]
President Andrew Shepherd: Oh, wait a minute here comes my favorite part.
Bob Rumson: My name is Bob Rumson, and I'm running for President!
President Andrew Shepherd: Sure glad he cleared that up, because that crowd was about to buy some Amway products!


kind of like drinking the kool aid huh?

Well, dixie, you and snake seem to be having a good time talking to each other about Scott. Actually Scott's disrict is in as good a shape as any in the city. Roads and drainage problems are nonexistent at his leadership, especially compared to other areas. The problem of run down houses is city-wide but D-2 has no more than anywhere else. I called one to his attention and it was handled in two-days.I have first hand dealings with Scott. He responds very quickly and always comes through. Your ****ing with faint praise and soft slander is not working dixie. Scott is smarter than that. As for you snake, Carrier is not your problem, Irons is. Carrier is a better leader sleeping than Irons is awake. In fact with Irons it is hard to tell the difference, asleep or awake. Keep underestimating Scott. He likes it that way. It makes victory that much sweeter. Like all the people who told him he would not win D-2 last time. In fact, Hester Cope, Main Street Maven, told him at Ricatoni's one day that he would never beat Dick Jordan in D-2, that another District maybe, but never D-2, Dick had too many friends here she said. Yes. I live in D-2 and I lovethe job he is doing for us and the entire city. Anyway, a guy that could never win, came in first in a five man race in regular election, and then won a run-off against Tricky Dick with 65% ofthe vote. So write him off, he has a way of making people eat crow. THat's what we like about him and why he will be the next Mayor of Florence.

Sas -- you obviously think you know all there is to know about D-2 -- the reason the district is in as good of shape as it is isn't because of Scott -- it was taken care of before him by Jordan who then became the mayor. I didn't vote for Jordan for a lot of reasons...but not taking care of his district wasn't one of them. You obviously don't live in the district or you would see and experience the eyesores, the promised cleanup of a drug infested apartment complex that was scheduled for destruction, the numerous junk cars and empty run-down houses, and the uncut lawns because the people no longer live in this city--they are rental properties. As a matter of fact the lot I live on has a ditch that runs beside it that even the least amount of rain overflows the ditch and floods the road next to it--it is overgrown with brush that they cleaned out during the Jordan years, but since then it has not been touched. Please don't talk down to me when you don't even live in my district apparently -- you can praise him all you want. I have not said he hasn't done a good job on the council -- he has just lost site of his district and has focused on Neese and Bliss Block and then focused on someone else's district -- anything that keeps Bass Pro from coming to town -- I have agreed with those stances, but he has not been taking care of us as you would like others to beleive. No we are not in a state of despair but it is because of his predecessors that we are in this great of shape--not Scott alone. He hasn't had to do much and it is a good thing--he has been focused everywhere else.

Keep praising him -- I told you I'd give him a "good job", but he is not without fault and he is not the Savior of Florence...don't kid yourself or anyone that reads these forums.

If you elect him as mayor -- and he alienates the council like he has while being on the council -- he will have a very tough row to hoe...the Mayor is not all powerful and he just may set himself up for failure....

Dixie, Very true. All the Smith family properties are a mess. They never cut their grass, paint, or do repairs. Of course they go to church with Carrier and are supporters. There you go.

I can honestly say that about 5 years ago when I first moved in the house next door to me that is owned by someone in Decatur -- who never comes to cut the grass or do any work on the house which was a burnout he bought and has never repaired -- had not cut the grass in almost 3 months and it was interfering with my line of site to pull out of the driveway -- I called and complained and within days it was cut and cleared. I have complained about this guy last year and this year -- they have not cut it but once since mid-summer last year. The only saving grace is the drought so a lot of the front yard is dead, but the back yard is knee high. It is ridiculus. But yes, you are correct -- there is more "collusion" that no one is mentioning -- unfortunately there is favoritism by all politicians to the people they know. I don't care who you are -- you tend to be good to those who helped you get where you are...Carrier is not exempt...

Dixie---call Scott, tell him what and where, and I bet within days it is taken care of. He is the most responsive official I have ever dealt with here. You even said you called about it awhile back and it was handled quickly. See. Call him. He really is a good guy. He fights for us, not against us. Really7.

Sas -- you didn't read my post -- i called 5 years ago when he wasn't my representative and it was handled quickly -- I called last year and this year and it is still my issue. Sorry, I just can't jump on this train with you -- I will give you that Irons is not the best choice at this point, but I'm not gonna be 100% behind Scott either -- he has shown me otherwise...yes he is accessible -- especially if it gets good press...I'm sorry, I just have a bitter bite at this moment...you never hear him go on like Pickens does about how great the neighborhoods are looking and how "our district" did this and that -- you hear him preach about Bass Pro and Bliss Block etc.... I haven't seen this great man speak for me yet...maybe he will -- I'm not saying 100% I am against him -- I just want him to be MY representative -- that is his job -- he is the "people's rep" now -- but he has yet to fix my area of the district...I see your point, but I'm not getting the response from my requests or complaints about the overgrown yards etc. -- things that if he actually drove through he would see and it would be obvious and he could make a few phone calls and get it handled -- he hasn't ... even with my complaint he hasn't...please understand -- I see some good, but I'm not sold out on him....I am nothappy with any of our leaders at this point -- they are all leaving a lot to be desired...I am not going to post on my issue of him not representing his district anymore -- it is obvious you are not from my district, but want to defend him -- live in my district and get ignored the way I have and we have and you woud understand -- he is not focused on us -- he is on the city so that bodes well for your desire to have him as mayor I guess.


BTW -- on my street alone there are at least 7 overgrown yards that you get too before you even get to my house -- that is not counting the 3 dead vehicles on my street alone -- the apartment complex is in the very middle and it is a drug slum at this point -- the road behind me has about 6 houses that are overgrown and in disrepair -- please don't tell me to call him again -- i have done that already -- if he would DRIVE BY 1 time that is all it would take for him to see it....if it wasn't so blatantly obvious I could understand it, but this is a little hard to ignore...

When did you call Scott about all this degradation in the district? What street do you live on? I can't think of any slums in the district which is what you described. Me thinks you protesteth too much. Your exageration invalidates your attempt at discrediting Scott. Really are there are 13 overgrown houses in a two-block area. Really? Hmmm.I have not seen any such areas anywhere. Where is it? Tell us all so we can all go and verify it. If it is true then I will be the first to say so here and call Scott myself about it. You have not called him. That is BS and you know it. This is lame. Irons tried it at the council meeting when he attacked Scott. The old he cares about the city not the district routine. When Irons said it a number of district 2 people stood up and said Scott is doing just fine thank you and asked Irons to apologize. Him and that crazy woman. Anyway, tell us where, we will check it. Bet you don't because you made it up. Nice try though. And I know a woman in D-2 who told Irons in public that she voted for him but is extremely disappointed and won't again. Same for a man who worked neighborhoods for him. D-2 is in good shape, a lot better than Irons campaign is gonna be. ScottForMayor2008 !

what is this kindergarten -- liar liar pants on fire? Now you are acting as childish as Scott did at several meetings before he had his breakdown...like I said -- I'm not gonna argue with you -- unless you are Scott Carrier himself in the flesh posting on these forums your opinion really doesn't matter to me at this point ... like I said, you are convinced the man is god and I'm not drinking that Kool-aid. I drive on my road everyday and some idiot that is not even in my district can't convince me of what the truth is in this situation. I won't give out my addres on a public forum. You can make me out to be the bad guy all you want too. THose that live in my district and especially on my street -- know how overgrown -- Slum was the one complex not the neighborhood as a whole -- believe me, I like my house and where it is, but the rental properties arouond me make mine look bad. Like I said, all Mr. Carrier has to do is DRIVE AROUND HIS ENTIRE DISTRICT and he would see. But as you have stated on several threads -- he is too busy trying to make Jimmy Neese pay.

DO YOUR JOB SCOTT CARRIER -- LOOK AT YOUR DISTRICT--IT WON'T TAKE YOU LONG TO SEE WHERE YOU HAVE FALLEN SHORT. MY ROAD IS OFF A THOROUGHFARE AND YOU CAN SEE 3 OF THE YARDS FROM IT. The road with the deteriorating hosues is a DEAD END STREET -- And your little followers that like to call people names and attack them for disagreeing -- they are going to be a deterrant to a lot of people when it comes to election time...BTW, do you actually think calling me a liar changes anything? It only makes you look like a child with no other defense...