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Do you have someone(s) in your life that you love or care about deeply?

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Originally Posted by A. Robustus:

This thread is slow to reveal a purpose.

Patience is supposed to be a virtue. Unfortunately, it is one that is difficult to develop.

 

All of you signified that you 'hoped' your 'significant others' arrived at their destinations safely and returned to you safely.  That is as it should be.

 

Next question: What gives you that 'hope'?

Since I have had my husband in mind then I would say my hope rest in his ability to take care of himself. He is a good driver, and he is a careful and safe man. So I hope that he uses all his skills and knowledge to return home safely. However, I also know that there are idiots out in the world that could cause an accident or do him harm regardless of how careful he is. So I hope....

 

Dog I expected a wheel to fly off before you finished.

DA has inserted action at a distance here with her hope. A miracle in deterministic clothing.

Religious in content no doubt. about it.

Atheists are determinists if you didn’t know DA.  Your husband does not have skills to protect himself.

You should not place hope that a deterministic missile guided by a drunk driver has any choice but to hit head on with someone you love.

Instead you should abandon hope and thank determinism in advance of the outcome.

You are not being fair to atheism to try and influence outcome with hope.

 

Only God can protect him and silly as it may seem to you, i believe i would pray for him rather than leave him in the hands of determinism.

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

I am amused at those who, when asked to say a prayer, say, "I'll keep my fingers crossed." If you don't believe in prayer, do you actually believe in keeping fingers in the sign of a cross? Attempting to ward off any rogue vampires out there?

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Crossing your fingers is two fingers intertwined. A cross is an upright post with a transverse piece near the top. The two doesn’t compare in the least.

 

Originally Posted by lexum:
You are not being fair to atheism to try and influence outcome with hope.

Only God can protect him and silly as it may seem to you, i believe i would pray for him rather than leave him in the hands of determinism.

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A person can have hope without it having to have a religious meaning. Hope is to wish for or to look forward to something. There is the theological hope that could be defined as the desire for God to give you what you ask for.

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

I am amused at those who, when asked to say a prayer, say, "I'll keep my fingers crossed." If you don't believe in prayer, do you actually believe in keeping fingers in the sign of a cross? Attempting to ward off any rogue vampires out there?

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Crossing your fingers is two fingers intertwined. A cross is an upright post with a transverse piece near the top. The two doesn’t compare in the least.

 

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Only God can protect him and silly as it may seem to you, i believe i would pray for him rather than leave him in the hands of determinism.

 

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If I had to depend on a myth to keep my family safe then I would start worrying!!!

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Crossing your fingers is two fingers intertwined. A cross is an upright post with a transverse piece near the top. The two doesn’t compare in the least.

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Originally Posted by lexum:

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I stand by what I said.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by lexum:
You are not being fair to atheism to try and influence outcome with hope.

Only God can protect him and silly as it may seem to you, i believe i would pray for him rather than leave him in the hands of determinism.

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A person can have hope without it having to have a religious meaning. Hope is to wish for or to look forward to something. There is the theological hope that could be defined as the desire for God to give you what you ask for.

 

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Semi, it is nuts (and a stretch) to say that the common use of the word hope means a belief in a God. I have hope AND I have faith. Neither has anything to do with the supernatural. For me hope is not a wish, it is a almost certain knowledge, or belief in my abilities, or those of someone else, will produce what I want to happen or have. If I have every reason to believe in a possible outcome then I have hope. Belief...there is another thing I have. Shocking right? I believe all sorts of things. Almost exclusively on evidence. I have faith where belief just won't do. I have faith that my husband will not cheat on me. I choose to have faith in him because he has shown me love, respect and loyalty for many years. I can't guarantee he will always be faithful, but I do have some evidence so I believe he will .

 

Words can have different meanings. They can be interpreted to have a different meaning to different people. Religion does not own the words hope, faith, or belief...they only define some religious dogmas.

 

So on with the next question dog....or are you finished?

I disagree with the description of the meaning of the cross. That hateful symbol is the elements of reality in opposition to each other. It represents the fundamental division forced upon humanity by christainity.
Were I to choose a symbol to represent reality as I feel it should be understood, I would choose the circle. Something that is all encompassing, something representing the cycles of life we witness regularly on this pretty blue planet of ours.
Originally Posted by SeniorCoffee:
I disagree with the description of the meaning of the cross. That hateful symbol is the elements of reality in opposition to each other. It represents the fundamental division forced upon humanity by christainity.
Were I to choose a symbol to represent reality as I feel it should be understood, I would choose the circle. Something that is all encompassing, something representing the cycles of life we witness regularly on this pretty blue planet of ours.

I can't recall the author, but a book (Science fiction) titled 'The Far Arena' told about a Roman-era tribune discovered encased in ice by a geological survey team in the Artic Circle. In the story, the tribune was revived. Communication was established via a Latin-speaking nun. The tribune was repulsed by the cross the nun wore, and wanted to know how anyone could wear a symbol of such revulsion, pain and suffering as 'jewelry'.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

Where do love and hope originate and what purposes do they serve?

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Love & hope comes from our surroundings, & within us.  


As for it’s purpose, love is the surest way to stay connected to another human being in spite of our faults. It’s the strongest bond one human can feel for another.

 

Hope is really nothing more than a tool we use daily.

It's passive, a crutch, but can also be a trap. Too many people just hope that things will get better without doing anything. I could "hope" all day that the chicken will fall out of the fridge & cook itself. Or, I can get off the computer & go make some soup. That would be me being active & hoping the soup turns out good.

Originally Posted by A. Robustus:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Next up:

 

Where do love and hope originate and what purposes do they serve?

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The brain. The propagation of the species.

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adot, is this a guess on your part that you expect us to believe based simply on your insistance?

 

if not you better give us some science and proof of this claim.

 

    i for one am tired of you claiming something as scientific fact on NO authority.

 

spit it out boy.

I see where you have answered the brain, but that is not entirely logical, especially when saying it encourages the propagation of the species. Love would act in this capacity, but how does hope? We hope it won't rain; we hope we'll win the lottery; we hope our terminally ill loved ones can be miraculously cured. Three very different kinds of hope.

 

What are we hoping for? Not all social sub-groups hoped for an afterlife. I've taken no courses in anthropology, but I was specifically taught that the Viking race, while they believed in various gods, did not specifically hope for an afterlife. Did they have less hope that other races? If so, hope is not innate. If we had no word in the English language for hope, would we still have this emotion?

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