Forum Topic purpose?

It's not hard to understand, GB:  Wherever you find religion, you will find those who call BS on it.

I call BS. 

I would presume that, for any forum topic, views can be expressed both pro and con. A wise man once told me that it is rare that anything exists in a vacuum all by itself.  It's like a nickel: Turn it over and there will always be another side.

 

That is what a forum is for, isn't it -- debate?

I hope I have never come off as being demeaning to anyone in the religion forum. It certainly has never been my intention. While I am not religious, I am also not atheist. I AM HUMAN.

I do however enjoy reading other peoples thoughts about what they believe and give my 2 cents on occasion to interesting subjects. If I am anything, I am honest.

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You made the assumption that religion is equated with Christianity.  Why wouldnt it be about Islam, the religion we are at War with??? 

 

The intent of the forum is to flesh out how religion impacts the community.  If you want to talk about you religion and how great it is, go to your churches forum. 

 

 

First of all I ask clarification .. did not request a change be made dittohead and said Religion and not specifically Christianity .. all religions or what could be defined under that definition.   While all people are free to post and welcome using that freedom for disrespect of other forum members and/or their beliefs is not in what I interpret the forum being about.   The Westboro Baptist Church has the legal RIGHT to protest soldiers funerals but that freedom is not respectful of the grieving relatives.  Using our freedom to do something doesn't make it honorable or respectful.   The forum moderator hopefully will now see a need for clarification by your response. 

 

Propagandist you are correct and I have no problem in anyone posting in a Forum as long as there is respect for the members and their beliefs/opinions.  Some however have agendas for their participation, or maybe I am being judgmental in that but here is a copy of a response to me in one of the subjects under the Religion form where I, as a believer/Christian ask, respectfully, to allow us to discuss a topic among like minded individuals. 

Here (below) is how I opened the subject under the religion topic:

 

GBRK Wrote:

I realize that many are not Christians and do not believe the Bible. From those the responses are pretty well consistent in that the Bible isn't real or factual or those who believe in the Bible are ......   For that reason I have addressed this question to the Christians or members that do trust the Bible and believe in the Bible.  How does your specific denomination or religion interpret and teach the following scripture?

 

Here is one response from an unnamed atheist participant:

 

I clearly do not "respect" your religion whatsoever.  I will continue to attack it as the irrational, deluded, immoral, downright evil belief system that it so clearly is.   

If I knew you personally, I MIGHT "respect" you as a person but I despise your religion.  I hate what it has done to my country and individuals that are caught in its clutches and can't get out.

You are the perfect example of that.  Your outright refusal to accept generally accepted scientific facts concerning reality are, to me, a severe character defect and mark you as a member of a great percentage of this country who are out to destroy education and supplant it with your deluded religion.

You are a member of a large group of people who believe with all their hearts that people who do not believe as you do are justifiably sent to a place where they will be eternally tortured for the crime of using their brain.

So, in essence, your initial post asked atheists to please respect your dis-respectable religion.  I think your beliefs are evil at the core and, no, I shall never respect it.  And for that I am labeled as "morally bankrupt"?  REALLY?

 

Respectful dialog is what I ask and when it comes to defending that right for respectful dialog I ask for clarification as to what the Religion forum is for.  Is it for a discussion on Religions and religious beliefs for is it for all possible thoughts and philosophies.  If so maybe it should be called or renamed a PHILOSOPHY forum rather than Religion.   I felt the need to ask for clarification because some atheist are using the right to post ANYWHERE as a reason to post whatever they want about who in the forum that happens to believe.  I'm just saying IF the forum is for all possible beliefs or practices then lets say so and we (People of faith/Religion) will know and expect what to receive whenever we post anything under the forum.  As it is we were/are under the assumption that RELIGION is a place/forum where people of Religions and religious belief could go and discuss various subjects of that genre without getting heckled or verbally abused/criticized  for our beliefs.  When the above type response is condoned and sanctioned then there is NO place or forum for People of Religion to sincerely and honestly discuss or debate their beliefs and/or differences.

 

Our position is ANY person of any belief or non-belief is welcome but we hope and expect Respect of each person and their personal beliefs.  That apparently is too much to expect though.  AGAIN to restate it .. this is why I ask for a clarification of the intent of the RELIGION Forum.

To my knowledge you, and several other of the Atheist on the forum have not and are no.  Others however do it with such zeal one only wonders of their agenda or reasons.  Thank you for your comments and anyone with like comments or respect is welcome.  If all had that type of respect then there would not be the need to ask for clarification.

 

Give credit where credit is due, please.  I wrote that.

I might respect you but I despise any religion that celebrates ignorance over enlightenment (Buddhism being one of the exceptions).   Don't like it?  Don't post your ignorant diatribes here.

For the rational, unbiased and non-partisan folks here make your own judgments based upon what you read and see, that's all I ask.  Again (UNO) what is the big threat to asking the Times Daily to clarify just what the Religion Topic is for?  Are you afraid that the Times Daily might come in and say what you are doing and how you are reacting to Christians and people of religion is wrong and not in keeping with the Times Daily forum regulations?  I usually find that our actions reveal our intent far better than what we say our intent is.  Your response is typical of some atheist that no matter where Christians, or people of religion, try and post you are there to offend them or attempt to heckle or disrupt their conversations because YOU have some bias against religion.  You are not acting and behaving as a decent, respectful forum member toward other forum members as there are plenty who don't share your views but don't deserve your personal criticisms.  This forum was for feedback to the Times Daily and I ask a simple question to the Times Daily and yet I have to deal with the same criticisms and personal insults here.  Have your fun while you can for your actions and post only reinforce what I have said is the reason for the need for clarification. 

 

Doesn't matter what they call the forum you and some of your atheist friends who think just like you will never allow a Christian or Religious person to have a dialog and discussion on any forum without some distracting and demeaning remarks from some atheist who are only here to disrupt and with nefarious intentions. 

You are always free to start and pay for your own forum. Then YOU can control who is allowed in. I suspect, however, that when everybody agrees, it will become boring very quickly. At least the figt between the "Christians" and "Mormons" are sometimes entertaining. And, before Skippy says something, I know that Mormons are also Christians. I am using the language used in the religion forum.

Hey, Uno...

 

That's what the Religion Forum is for...So people can post their "ignorant diatribes."

 

I think the problem that actually exists is that there's a couple people who would really like to use the Religion Forum as their own personal church.  THEY wanna be in charge.

 

You can tell who they are....

They're the ones complaining because they can't exclude anybody who doesn't buy all that froofroo.

 

gbrk:

 

Without discussion and debate, the forum becomes just one, long sermon.

 

As I understood it-EVERYBODY gets a pulpit there. Even us heathens.

 

Everybody here has at one point or another-learned something from somebody else.

 

You can't do that if everybody thinks the same way.

 

 

"Everybody wants to be a flippin' preacher...."

The subject I created to discuss a certain passage was clearly labeled requesting consideration for those in that subject to allow us to discuss that scripture passage.  I directed my subject, within the religion forum, to Christians and Believers only, in the topic, so how in any intelligent persons mind is that preaching?    No one forced you to come into the subject and read it yet because we/I wanted to discuss a Bible verse among like minded balievers that was too much for atheist.  Atheist had to come into the subject and start their berating.  We weren't the ones preaching we were trying to discuss the Bible.   Atheist were preaching their unsolicited doctrine about how stupid the Bible was.  Now that was preaching.

Believers should have that right to do in an open forum and be un-accosted in doing to.  Atheist will not allow that under any circumstances.  We never ask for exclusivity but fairness and consideration which some atheist cannot give and will not give because they have an agenda.  That is NOT what I thought the Times Daily wanted in their forums.  I thought they wanted respectful members that were respectful of others beliefs and thoughts.  NO Christian or person of faith has done to the atheist what y'all have done unto us and continue to. 

 

Now you and other atheist are running scared that your actions will be revealed for what they are.  You are trying to turn around what I ask and that is evident.  You are trying to say I want to make the Religion forum exclusive to only people of Religion.  I've stated before that is NOT the case.  Time and time again I said I want to have a forum where people will be respectful and not causing disruption because someone dares to post something of a Christian nature under the topic of Religion.  You and others are trying to turn that around to be that I am wanting an exclusive forum which is deception.  Why don't you all just cease your disinformation and attempts to turn what I ask into something that it isn't.  UNO'a own post and words reveal the reason and motive of why some of you post in the forum.  Not because you care to participate but because you want to be a disruption and not allow people that do want to participate a chance to do so without being demeaned, insulted, or verbally accosted. Whatever the Times Daily says about the Religion forum I don't believe they would condone the inconsiderate and rude actions of some of the atheist members who only care to be disruptive within the forum.

Oh my gosh! LOLOLOL.

Dear TD, will you please tell gb that before the change the Religion forum was described as a place to talk about your religion, beliefs or other practices. Thank you.

"Everybody wants to be a flippin' preacher...."

 

 

And none of them are any good at it.

Still smarter than you "rum mama".

The atheists were pretty much here when I arrived, so I've never seen the forum without them. I consider the two I speak of good friends and more than worthy opponents in the greatest debate the human race could face.

 

However, someone once sent me a screen shot of the Tuscaloosa forum in which a long time member there stated these two made him ashamed to be an atheist. I did have to laugh. Apparently the debate on that forum was not nearly so heated before they arrived.

Not according to gbrk. A religion forum of his imagining is only for kindergarten-level deference for all ideas. All ideas should be equally right and unoffensive to one another. No one is allowed to think that another might be wrong about something, much less say so - which is the height of disrespect and sinful intentions. Oh goody, what fun! All the new things we can learn this way!

Again you are wrong.   I  have said and state again that I only request that people be respectful of other forum members. IF you have a difference of opinion then attack the belief and not personally attack the person with the belief.  Many atheist cannot seem to do that, it appears from their post..  Out of their anger at Religion and more specifically Christians they attack (personally) people of faith who believe in the Bible and believe in Christ (or Christians).  While they may attack the beliefs they do so with an arrogance that they don't care what anyone else likes they will be disrespectful toward the person and their Religious belief.  The post in the Religion Forum are ripe with examples of that very thing.  There is no attempt to have a dialog or discussion among Christians that is allowed to happen without fierce criticism of the people who believe and attempt to disrupt the flow of the subject.

 

Debate is great and fair but disrespect of the individual is not what the forum is for and that is being done.  The Religion forum, most every topic, is ripe with examples and all the moderators or impartial observers have to do is sample several subjects and survey the post to see.  Are you afraid that the actions of some of your fellow, like minded, atheist will be revealed for what they are?  If not why make such a deal over my simple request that Times Daily only clarify what the Religion forum is for, it's intended purpose as the Times Daily set it up.  I'm willing to go with their verdict, are you?

Strange that in gb's tirades there is not any mention of the attacks against atheists. If there are I missed them. There are quite a few "gems" in the threads, the last one I read was "rum mama's". So how bout it gb, am I missing the part of your posts where you rail against the insults to atheists?

I decided to edit to mention the insults hurled at christians from other christians, and ask gb- are those OK because it is christian on christian insults?