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Originally posted by Pogo142:
EdEKit:
The problem is this, "Perception is everything." By posting ICH pba is creating the perception that ICH is the source. It rarely is.
My criticism here is pretty simple, and I don't much care for revealing this, but I post material from ICH often. RARELY do I post ICH though. Simple reason, I get ICH by e mail...all the links include my e mail address. So I go to the ICH links. But the perception is that I got the story from the Tribune, or the Times or the London Observer or the Journal Constitution. I also get, and give, the opportunity for others to sign up with any one of those papers. ICH is not a huge news service. It is a gathering service, and an excellent one. But, like all filters, it does not post articles that are not in the ICH agenda.
I think that pba is doing us a dis service by not going to the source material.
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Yes, and no. I will post things I find in the Truthoutsite. They will also have the link to the original news article where you can find the story. I too will post the original story from the original source, like the Washington Post or whatever paper they found it in but I usually say I found this in the Truthout site, then post it from the source. It's more professional and adds to the credibility of the story.
I do mention the Truthout site because I am trying to make people aware of the Truthout site, which I find very helpful. Also I am not trying to take the credit for finfding the story and present a false impression. I am taking it from someone else who did the research
I think pba is just trying to show people a good source of information.
But I understand your criticism.
your solution is "gooder" than mine. I mean gooder as well, Your solution is good, mine is not as good. In fact, mine is bad, in the sense that I don't always share the places I find Material. The fact is the moderators here have on occasion suggested, rather forcefully, that I post the originating source to avoid copyright infringement. My response has been to get to the source, or as close to it as I can, Take a look here:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/fronts/HOME?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME ©2006 The Associated Press.
All rights reserved. Terms under which this site is provided. is the bottom line of that site. Now, if Times Daily is an AP member, THEY can publish this site, intact, but I am not sure that I am not violating copyright if I post, especially without attribution, any part of that page.
I regularly read the "Pakistan Daily Times." I often link to that paper,
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/ and suggest that you go, right now, to that site, and bookmark it. This is the bottom line on that page, "Daily Times - All Rights Reserved." Same problem, and it is not likely that TimesDaily and DailyTimes have a sharing agreement. They might, they could, but I doubt they are willing to.
Here is an interesting story, on their national pages.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\04\25\story_25-4-2007_pg7_4Here is another piece, not likely to show on the pages of US papers,
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\04\25\story_25-4-2007_pg4_2Israel and Palestine are meeting in Europe in an effort to establish a Palestinian state by the end of Next year.
That is the problem with linking to a source that is linked to a source like ICH. It is problematic to quote anything from the ICH page, less problematic to quote from the originating source.
pogo, I was a radio newsman for years. I could read or rewrite and read any article, by saying, in the story, FROM THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC. Then they changed their policy, they owned a radio station. ONLY that station could use their material. There was a loophole, The Republic had agreements with other newspapers. If the story was in the Tucson Daily Star, I could use it, without attribution at all. The rules have probably changed since I was last involved, it sure looks like they have.
I really love this forum. It is an outlet for me that is very important to me. I don't want an innocent mistake to close this place down.
That is not an unfounded fear. Similar forums have been shut down.