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Hi to my Forum Friends,

A Friend forwarded this to me in an e-mail -- and it seems appropriate to share it with my Forum Friends.

From the FRED THOMPSON'S AMERICA web site:

http://fredthompsonsamerica.co...er-ask-fred-replies/


The Mormon Or The Muslim?

Question (from 80120):  Who can we support?  Romney is a Mormon and Obama is a Muslim.  Never has the lessor of two evils been such a disgrace. Ron Paul is a better choice, but if we vote for him, we put Obama back in office.  What has happened to my country?

Answer:  Don’t fall for this Mormon stuff.  That would be falling for the Obama game plan.  Now that the general election is here, it’s going to be respectable in the eyes of the mainstream media to engage in all sorts of demagoguery about Mormons.  None of us will ever get our ideal candidate but this country is headed for a cliff and it has very little to do with organized religion.

We’ve gotta go with Mitt.  Obama selections for the Supreme Court for another four years will have an adverse effect on the proper role of religion in our country and in our schools as well as a host of other issues.


Fred has other interesting Questions & Answers on his web site.  Take a look.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Very interesting that he says "Don't fall for this Mormon stuff" yet does not address the "Muslim stuff".....I guess in Fred's world if someone admits they are Mormon then we should ignore that, but if they tell you they are Christian you should just assume they are Muslim...right?

 

Also he goes on to say that organized religion has very little to do with what is wrong in our country and then in the next paragraph states that it is important to put the right man in office to insure Christians are assured their "proper role" in government.

 

Speaking out of both sides of his mouth. It is almost mind numbing the idiotic things that people will say to further their political agenda....add religion to it and it gets even more absurd.

 

So Bill you have no problem voting for a man that is a member of a cult (your words)? Are you willing to give Mitt a pass because you hate Obama so bad? I find that very hypocritical of you. Not the first time I have found you to be a big ol hypocrite but this might be the most blatant example I have seen from you so far.

 

Let's say Obama was a Muslim....how is that any different than him being a Mormon, Scientologist, or Wiccan? Are there some religions that you will accept to being "good" vs. those that you decide are "evil"?

 

Funny....I see them all the same. Ridiculous.

Hi Dark,

 

I will admit that, at first, I had the same impression as you -- that Thompson was denigrating the Mormon religion, then, later asking us to vote for Romney.

 

But, upon reading the full passage, I realized that he was referring to the tendency of "the mainstream media to engage in all sorts of demagoguery about Mormons" in their support of their Liberal Socialist leader, Mr. Obama.

 

I have to agree with many folks that Obama is as much Muslim as he is Christian.  It is my opinion that he attended Wright's church in Chicago to help his Community Organizer political job at the time.  Such things are common.  I have seen many insurance agents, real estate agents, etc., spend a lot of time cultivating and farming church fellowships -- when they should have been in Christian fellowship and worship.  

 

That is why I always insisted, and my wife agreed, that she would not talk real estate at church.  If someone asks her a question, she will answer.  But, she will not farm our church for clients.  It is my opinion that this was what Obama did for his Community Organizer job -- and why he threw Wright out with the dishwater when he became an inconvenience.

 

Dark, let's just say that, at this time Romney is, by far, the lesser of the two evils.  I am not sure America could survive another four years of Obama.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi to my Forum Friends,
A Friend forwarded this to me in an e-mail -- and it seems appropriate to share it with my Forum Friends.

Ron Paul is a better choice, but if we vote for him, we put Obama back in office. 
We’ve gotta go with Mitt.  Obama selections for the Supreme Court for another four years will have an adverse effect on the proper role of religion in our country and in our schools as well as a host of other issues.

Bill

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Billy, just exactly who are those people on here that you think are your friends? Have you ever noticed that most of the people on this forum despise you? You claim it's because you're a Christian, because you "give it to us like it is so you can get those rewards in Heaven".

That's not it at all. But it won't do any good for me to tell you because you refuse to see or accept the truth.

 

You ran Skippy off because of your hate & constant talk of his being in a "Mormon cult". Now you say you're going to vote for a man that is in one of those same "Mormon cults"? Shame on you, Billy!! Wonder what God thinks of you now? Since you claim to be such a wonderful, a lot of rewards coming, tell it like it is, know it all Christian, you need to keep your butt at home that day & not vote at all!!

 

If we vote for Ron Paul, we put Obama back in office? Stand back & watch. You vote for Romney, you’ll put Obama back in office. We’re damed either way because Romney doesn’t have what it takes to beat Obama. There are people that will vote for Obama just because of his black side, (forget about the white side, it doesn’t count) but Romney is to much of a rich, full of himself, stuffed shirt to beat Obama.

 

What about those people that don't want the "proper role of religion in our country and in our schools"?

Do they not have a voice? They have as much right to who they vote for as you do.

I will vote for Romney because I dislike Obama but I don't resent those people that will vote for Obama because they don't like Romney.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Dark,

That is why I always insisted, and my wife agreed, that she would not talk real estate at church.  If someone asks her a question, she will answer.  But, she will not farm our church for clients.

Bill

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She agree because you insisted, so what else could she do? My guess is that you are "The Man" in your home & the women know to bow as you walk by or there will be Hell to pay.

Horse crap!

She won't talk real estate at church, but she'll answer if someone asks her a question? Well, as I see it, that's talking real estate in church! Sheeish!!!

The thing is, Romney is at least as liberal as Obama. Right now he is trying to cater to the Tea Party types, but believe me, if he gets elected you will see his true colors. Don't forget, Romney is the one who "invented" Obamacare. Don't forget, he was governor of the state with one of the strictest guns laws in the country and only bought a lifetime membership in the NRA right before he ran in 2008. I seriously doubt the man has ever HELD a gun in his life.

 

All of this talk about his or Obama's religion is irrelevant. Vote for the liberal - either one!

But, upon reading the full passage, I realized that he was referring to the tendency of "the mainstream media to engage in all sorts of demagoguery about Mormons" 


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Like YOU do bill? I remember on another thread you were urging people to vote for ron paul. And IF your wife "agreed" with you not to discuss something, why did you have to INSIST? Pfttttttttttttttttttt

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

And IF your wife "agreed" with you not to discuss something, why did you have to INSIST? Pfttttttttttttttttttt

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Good point, to bad we won't get an answer to that question. All we'll get is a smart ass remark that he always reserves for you & I. That's his way of getting away from answering the question.

IMHO when it comes to the whole Mormon or Muslim thing and for lack of a better example, a Muslim is a wolf in wolf's clothing and a Mormon is a wolf in sheep's clothing so at least the Muslim is not trying to make people think they are something they're not.

As far as I know, Obama claims to be a Christian although if he didn't claim to be, I would likely think he was not but I won't try and judge that.

With the above said, because of my conservative views I will be voting for Romney and will be praying that he will not allow the Mormon leadership to dictate his actions as President. It is not so much the Mormon thing for my reservations about Romney but I truly feel that this election is a choice between bad or really awful and I will settle for bad (Romney)

 

Originally Posted by BFred07:

IMHO when it comes to the whole Mormon or Muslim thing and for lack of a better example, a Muslim is a wolf in wolf's clothing and a Mormon is a wolf in sheep's clothing so at least the Muslim is not trying to make people think they are something they're not.

As far as I know, Obama claims to be a Christian although if he didn't claim to be, I would likely think he was not but I won't try and judge that.

With the above said, because of my conservative views I will be voting for Romney and will be praying that he will not allow the Mormon leadership to dictate his actions as President. It is not so much the Mormon thing for my reservations about Romney but I truly feel that this election is a choice between bad or really awful and I will settle for bad (Romney)

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I don't think obama is "anything" either. I can't imagine under what circumstances it would happen, but if everyone was suddenly forced to declare a religion, I do believe he'd "pick" islam. As far as your statement about a wolf in sheep's clothing being a mormon, I don't get that at all. They live and preach their beliefs, and they don't preach them near as much as the whacked out fundies do. They're entitled to do that, they are entitled to run for office. I've always said I'd vote for romney, and if he disappoints, I'll "go further", and try again. I won't sit back like the obama supporters and pretend "it's all good". 

Originally Posted by BFred07:

IMHO when it comes to the whole Mormon or Muslim thing and for lack of a better example, a Muslim is a wolf in wolf's clothing and a Mormon is a wolf in sheep's clothing so at least the Muslim is not trying to make people think they are something they're not.

As far as I know, Obama claims to be a Christian although if he didn't claim to be, I would likely think he was not but I won't try and judge that.

With the above said, because of my conservative views I will be voting for Romney and will be praying that he will not allow the Mormon leadership to dictate his actions as President. It is not so much the Mormon thing for my reservations about Romney but I truly feel that this election is a choice between bad or really awful and I will settle for bad (Romney)

 

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Gee Fred, I like you tooo.
This wool gets so itchy.

Skippy

Originally Posted by BFred07:

IMHO when it comes to the whole Mormon or Muslim thing and for lack of a better example, a Muslim is a wolf in wolf's clothing and a Mormon is a wolf in sheep's clothing so at least the Muslim is not trying to make people think they are something they're not.

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It's people like Bill Gray that's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Skippy is more of a Christian than Bill ever thought of being. It's not a shame for someone to go to the church of their choice & to believe the way they choose. The shame is pretending to be something you're not & livivng a lie.

quote:  Originally Posted by BFred07:

IMHO when it comes to the whole Mormon or Muslim thing, and for lack of a better example, a Muslim is a wolf in wolf's clothing -- and a Mormon is a wolf in sheep's clothing.  So at least the Muslim is not trying to make people think they are something they're not.

 

As far as I know, Obama claims to be a Christian.  Although if he didn't claim to be, I would likely think he was not.  But I won't try and judge that.

 

With the above said, because of my conservative views I will be voting for Romney and will be praying that he will not allow the Mormon leadership to dictate his actions as President.  It is not so much the Mormon thing for my reservations about Romney.  But I truly feel that this election is a choice between bad or really awful and I will settle for bad (Romney). 


Hi BFred,

 

I could not have said it better.  Like you, I do not know if Obama is a Muslim, or a very liberal lukewarm Christian.  But, as I said in an earlier post, it is my personal opinion that he was in Wright's congregation farming for support in his Community Organizer political job.  Then, when Wright became more of a burden than an asset -- under the bus for him.

 

And, if by any curse Obama does win another four years -- under the bus for all America!  For he will not need any of us after that.   His "accidentally open mic" comment made that very clear.  In a second term, he would be like a fox in the hen house -- watch out, America!

 

However, regarding Romney, as you said -- it is not so much his Mormon religion which gives me reservations -- but, his wishy-washy, this way, then that way, politics -- and the fact that he did have a prototype for ObamaCare in Massachusetts first.

 

Romney makes me nervous.   But, Obama scares the hell out of me!

 

And, we who were around then can recall that folks were upset that John Kennedy was a Roman Catholic -- but, I believe he kept the two separate.  And, I believe that Romney will also.   So, forget his religion.  We are in deep pucky either way in that regard.   Let's just make sure that Obama is not a repeat.    And leave the rest to God.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Hi Jennifer,

 

Do you have a link for that?  Or, is this more of your fertile imagination?

 

I know!  Google it if you are interested.  But, since you were already there, if there existed -- it would have been so easy to copy/paste the URL link in your post.  That is, unless the link never existed and, as I said, it is just a wee bit of fertile imagination -- or a lot of the old "throw it against the wall and see it it sticks" kind of dialogue.  Atheists are known for such attempts.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Jennifer,

 

Do you have a link for that?  Or, is this more of your fertile imagination?

 

I know!  Google it if you are interested.  But, since you were already there, if there existed -- it would have been so easy to copy/paste the URL link in your post.  That is, unless the link never existed and, as I said, it is just a wee bit of fertile imagination -- or a lot of the old "throw it against the wall and see it it sticks" kind of dialogue.  Atheists are known for such attempts.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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More of MY fertile imagination? LOL! That's rich coming from the man that has a "it happened to me" story for everything discussed on this forum. Since YOU were already "there", where is the link to what you posted? Does it exist or is it just more of YOUR weak imagination? You know, the thing you like to do-"throw it against the wall and see if it sticks". You are well known for such attempts. 

Hi Melli,

 

Going back to my original post which began this discussion -- it is not Christian vs Christian.  Fred Thompson is comparing the Muslim religion to the Mormon religion -- neither of which is Christian.

 

So, what Thompson is saying is that, since we do not have the choice to vote for a Christian -- let's do the next best thing and vote for one which will not necessarily be against most Christian morals -- Romney.

 

And, I suggested that, possibly, like John Kennedy and his Roman Catholic religion which never became an issue during his time in office -- very likely Romney's Mormonism will not either.

 

On the other hand, Obama has made his anti-Christian views and beliefs very obvious.

 

Therefore, I agree with what Thompson wrote:

 

None of us will ever get our ideal candidate but this country is headed for a cliff and it has very little to do with organized religion.

We’ve gotta go with Mitt.  Obama selections for the Supreme Court for another four years will have an adverse effect on the proper role of religion in our country and in our schools as well as a host of other issues.

 

Our only choice now is the lesser of two evils -- which means Romney.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Melli,

Fred Thompson is comparing the Muslim religion to the Mormon religion -- neither of which is Christian. vote for one which will not necessarily be against most Christian morals -- Romney.

John Kennedy and his Roman Catholic religion which never became an issue during his time in office
We’ve gotta go with Mitt.   

Bill

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Romney is not a Christian, but he will be for Christian morals? That's one of the dumbest remarks you've ever made & you've made a bunch of them.

 

Kennedy's religion wasn't an issue because he was a womanizer & he sure wouldn't want to bring up religion during his time in office.

 

No, "we" don't gotta go with Mitt. People on this forum will vote for who they want & not because you said they got to.

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

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Gee Fred, I like you tooo.
This wool gets so itchy.

Skippy

I like you too Skippy, you seem alright and most Mormons I know are decent people. From reading what you write on the political forum I would say we have a fairly close opinion when it comes to politics, we just have some vast theological differences.

quote:  Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Gee Bill, how can Mitt have Christian Morals if he is not a Christian?   And as for Fred Thompson's opinion, meaningless. Nobody wanted him as President, he couldn't hack it as an actor and I can't think of anything memorable he did in the US Senate.  Skippy   Oh yea, Romney for President.

Hi Skippy,

 

Anyone, even an atheist, can follow the path of Christian morals.   All that takes in intelligence.   Many non-believers are very good people and follow Christian morals -- even when they do not know it.

 

Regarding Fred Thompson, I find him a pretty credible actor.  After all, he did pull of the role of being senator.  In both the senate and the house, there are many who could take acting lessons from him -- and, very possibly, even lessons in Christian morals.

 

And, I agree with you.  For lack of a better choice -- I, too, will vote for Romney.  I would rather be voting for Ron Paul -- but, I am afraid that will split the party and give the White House to U Know Who for a second time.  America cannot afford that mistake a second time.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:   Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:
By the way, where is YOUR link??

Hi Jennifer,

 

Happy to guide you to my URL link.  Are you ready?  Okay, now, just turn around 180 degrees (like you were repenting) -- and scroll back to the top of this discussion.  There you will find my original post.

 

When you get there -- read down three sentences -- then, look down.   Just below the third sentence you will find a URL link.  Viola!  There is the URL link you were seeking. 

 

I am always happy to help my Friends find the right path.  Now, are you ready to talk about the path to eternal life in Christ?   That is, by far, the most important path you could follow; so, anytime you want directions for that -- just let me know.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Bill I’m sorry but Jenn's right, Christians don’t have a monopoly on Morals.

There are also many Christians that have no Morals. Many of the television ministers have no other interests than to fleece their flocks. We all can chose to be moral or not. Atheist, Hindu, Catholic, Jehovah’s Witnesses, LDS (Mormon) and yes Bill even Baptists can chose whether they will be good or bad. And as far as condemnation of others, I personally consider that an immoral trait.   

 

mor·al (môrl, mr-)

adj.

1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.

2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.

3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.

4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.

5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.

6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.

n.

1. The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event.

2. A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.

3. morals Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose morals; a decline in the public

Skippy

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Nice try bill but you fail, as usual.  You wanted a link to the lincoln quote, I supplied it. I asked where your link was to your lincoln quote, you haven't given it yet.

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 Jenn don't wait too long... LOL

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Skippy

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LOL!! Ain't that the truth!!

quote:    Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

Nice try bill but you fail, as usual.  You wanted a link to the lincoln quote, I supplied it. I asked where your link was to your lincoln quote, you haven't given it yet. 


Hi Jennifer,

 

Sorry for the confusion.  When one asks for a URL link, it is typically for an article, etc.  So, my Friend, I suppose I owe you a really big"DUH!" -- because that is not an article quote -- it is a .jpg file, i.e., a photo file.  You know, sort of like Skippy's "Skeleton Lady" is a photo, i.e., a .jpg file.

 

But, please do keep trying, my Friend.   I do so enjoy our dialogues.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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