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Originally posted by Rancid Apple:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Creationists can live within the thousands of years range -- which is more logical. Evolutionists drop dead if they cannot have a universe which is billions of years old. Therefore, you will throw all common sense out the window and declare what you know is not true.
Excellent. You give believers two choices: Either abandon all reason and accept the "fact" that earth is younger than the invention of beer and agriculture or burn in hell for recognizing the positively overwhelming mountain rage of evidence that the earth and all creation is much much older than we humans are capable of realizing. It is exactly your kind willful abandonment of reason and insistence on blind faith that is killing religion for the young, science-literate kids in this country, Mr. Gray. Keep up the good works. I'm sure your God will give you a big "atta boy" for helping the spread of disbelief. Question: Do you ever wonder why God planted all this evidence to make it appear that the world is much older than you say?
Hi Rancid,
Once again, like most non-believers, you have taken one small comment, one small thought -- and built your theology around it. No mature Christian believer will tell you that your salvation is based upon what you believe about Creation and Evolution. We are saved -- by the grace of God -- through faith in Jesus Christ -- plus NOTHING ELSE (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, what one believes about the Creation, about eschatology, about baptism, etc., does not affect his/her salvation.
However, it does affect your peace of mind, your sense of eternal security. Faith is built upon a bedrock. That bedrock is the Rock of Christianity, the Rock of our salvation, Jesus Christ. The foundation of the Bible is based upon Genesis 1:1,
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." If that is false -- then, how can one believe anything else written in the rest of the Bible? And, of course, this is why atheists and secularist fight so hard to disprove the Genesis account of the Creation. Discredit that -- and you will discredit all belief in God. But, sorry, they have already lost that war.
The foundation of our Christian faith is based upon John 1:1,
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Word was, and is, God -- the Word is Jesus Christ. And, all who believe and receive (John 1:12) Him as Lord and Savior are Christ Followers, Christian believers. We have eternal security in Him. We have peace in Him.
When Jesus Christ tells us, in Mark 10:6,
"But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female'* -- we have to realize what He is telling us. He is telling us that
"from the beginning of the creation" God made Adam and Eve. I do not know of any scientist who will openly declare that Adam and Eve were created "billions" of years ago. No, they were created "thousands" of years ago. Therefore, the Creation was "thousands" of years ago -- not "billions" of years ago.
This is what the Word of God, the Bible, tells us -- and we know that the Bible was authored by God, for we are told in 2 Timothy 3:16 that ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired by God. Since God authored the Bible -- and since God is omniscient and omnipotent, He does not make mistakes (no "Oops!" in His vocabulary) -- the Bible is inerrant, the Bible is without error in its moral and spiritual teaching and in its record of historical facts.
And, to add to the validity of the Bible -- it contains thousands of prophecies. Except for the return of Jesus Christ -- ALL of those prophecies have been fulfilled. And, we have both religious and secular verification of most fulfillment's. Yes, the Bible is the Written Word of God -- and it tells us that His act of Creation occurred thousands of years ago.
One does not have to believe that to be a saved Christian. But, one is throwing cold water on the very source of his/her eternal security -- which seems rather foolish to me.
Rancid, I invite you to test Jesus Christ and see if He is not real. Try sincerely asking Him to come in and be your Lord and Savior (Revelation 3:20) -- and see the difference it will make in your life. I will be happy to assist you in this in any and all possible ways.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill