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FLORENCE — Three men have been arrested and up to five more could face charges related to the reported rape of a UNA student over the weekend, authorities said today.

Among those arrested are University of North Alabama football players Deandrea Alexander Harrison, 19, Rivers Hall, Room 602, UNA, and Eddrick Harris, 19, Rivers Hall, Room 624. Both are charged with first-degree rape and are being held in jail with bail set at $50,000, officials said.

 

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Didn't she have a whistle, or maybe she wasn't in a safety zone, or maybe not near a call-box? Isn't that what Democrats say prevents rapes on campus? Did she tell them not to rape her? Which is what another woman Democrat suggested. Didn't she call the campus police? How come she didn't have a gun to protect herself? I bet the ending would have been different if she pulled a concealed gun on the guys.

Bulldog63 you have no idea what this young woman went through. How dare you turn this into a opportunity to debate gun control. We don't know any of the details of this case. Sounds to me like you are doing what so many men (and sometimes women) do and blaming the victim for not being "smarter" or "better prepared". Maybe she doesn't want to own a gun, maybe she would have no chance to use one if she did have one.

 

A better question is why are so many women in this country at danger of being raped by men? What is wrong with men that do these things? When are we going to start locking them up and throwing away the key. Or better yet execute them. To me anyone that would do something like rape a woman or child will never be safe to release out in society ever again. They are warped and damaged. Why waste the money to feed them and house them?

 

Originally Posted by Bulldog63:

Didn't she have a whistle, or maybe she wasn't in a safety zone, or maybe not near a call-box? Isn't that what Democrats say prevents rapes on campus? Did she tell them not to rape her? Which is what another woman Democrat suggested. Didn't she call the campus police? How come she didn't have a gun to protect herself? I bet the ending would have been different if she pulled a concealed gun on the guys.

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Good grief!!!

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

 

A better question is why are so many women in this country at danger of being raped by men? What is wrong with men that do these things? When are we going to start locking them up and throwing away the key. Or better yet execute them. To me anyone that would do something like rape a woman or child will never be safe to release out in society ever again. They are warped and damaged. Why waste the money to feed them and house them?

 

Because we, as a country, choose to glorify violence and not promote caring for one another more.  Same reason gun violence is what it is.

 

Been getting worse all my life, through both democrats and republicans at the helm...

I'm not going to agree that this type event should be politicized for the victim should be remembered but I also wish that the victim could somehow had of had a concealed weapon and strategically shot each one so that there would not be a chance of them doing the same to anyone else.  I only hope that  the ones guilty will be caught and dealt with appropriately and the girl can find ways to cope with it and somehow gain her life back.
Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

I think the witnesses were waiting their turn and I noticed you said parents, do you think the three in those mug shot have parents plural or do you think the federal governmental probably enabled their mothers to make this little mistakes?

Are you serious? Are you blaming the parents or government for these young adults actions? Also, what do you mean by "the witnesses were waiting their turn"?

Imya: Chuck had replied to a post I made earlier about how could a dorm full of people not do something to help that poor girl and recalled the case of Kitty Genovese. Lots of witnesses but nobody stepped in to help her. I also said our parents' generation would not have stood by and let it happen and that apathy in society is a big part of the problem.

I can't speak for his reply but that's the context he was referring to. I tried to edit the post later by copy/ paste but I got kicked off my browser when I tried to resubmit and my original post was lost.
Originally Posted by imya_huckleberry:
Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

I think the witnesses were waiting their turn and I noticed you said parents, do you think the three in those mug shot have parents plural or do you think the federal governmental probably enabled their mothers to make this little mistakes?

Are you serious? Are you blaming the parents or government for these young adults actions? Also, what do you mean by "the witnesses were waiting their turn"?

 

As per the "waiting their turn" allegedly there were 6 people involved in a dorm room so the people who saw it were sitting their watching, some waiting their turn to rape the victim.  Yes I blame the governmental that took away the consequences of having children out of wedlock by rewarding young mothers with social programs.  In 1965 74% of blacks were born in wedlock, Now it's around 30%.  

 

If the government rewarded good behavior like finishing school and waiting until you got married to have children then there would be a whole lot fewer social programs and inmates.

Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:
As per the "waiting their turn" allegedly there were 6 people involved in a dorm room so the people who saw it were sitting their watching, some waiting their turn to rape the victim.  Yes I blame the governmental that took away the consequences of having children out of wedlock by rewarding young mothers with social programs.  In 1965 74% of blacks were born in wedlock, Now it's around 30%.  

 

If the government rewarded good behavior like finishing school and waiting until you got married to have children then there would be a whole lot fewer social programs and inmates.

So, you must have some inside information that the rest of us aren't aware of. Although, it seems more likely that you're pulling information out of your posterior.  Do you know these young adults? Their history?  I take issue with the abuse of government social programs by all races, but your assumptions have a racist tone. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Just curious, does anyone know why they don't release the alleged victim's name in cases like this? 

 

Almost any organization will have this policy in place. For instance, you will read the Associated Press will not release the (alleged) victim's name. I've seen some names released if the victim has come forward to make a public statement. (Roman Polansky case)

 

You can bet considering the circumstances here, the defense attys will crucify the woman, not to mention her name is probably all over the campus by now.

Almost any organization will have this policy in place. For instance, you will read the Associated Press will not release the (alleged) victim's name. I've seen some names released if the victim has come forward to make a public statement. (Roman Polansky case)

 

You can bet considering the circumstances here, the defense attys will crucify the woman, not to mention her name is probably all over the campus by now.

 

 

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I know the policy is in place. I asked why. I can understand if the alleged victim is a minor. All the alleged rapist's names and personal information is all over. They are already being "tried" and convicted, called thugs and every other thing, which could turn out to be true. You even say the defense will "crucify" the woman. How do you know that, how do you know she won't deserve it, and how would you feel if it turns out she's lying? There's always that possibility. If it was to turn out that she is lying, whose reputations will be ruined?  It will be interesting to follow the case, unless it drops out of the news.

Pastula (or someone who works for him) has already released some ****ing statements. It's in a PNS article, but I'll just post the highlights. Girl was at party, girl left to go to second party, she meets one of the guys on elevator, he mentions something good at his apt (implies drugs certainly), she goes with him to the sixth floor and was more or less ambushed.

 

True or not? You may have read about the "rape" attempt last month at the campus apts. that was very similar. My opinion is it's odd that girl got away if there were five or so guys there. She also didn't press charges.

 

In this case, there is some physical evidence, but prosecution will have to prove it's rape. If there were other drugs beside alcohol, I'm sure the two students (maybe more) will be thrown out of school no matter what happens to the rape charge.

@ Best ... It is poor taste to release the victim's name. It is even poorer taste to want to know it so you can decide whether or not she deserves it.

 

@Kate ... Just because a police chief makes inappropriate comments doesn't mean there is no merit to her claims. So what if she consumes alcohol or drugs. What is next? She shouldn't have worn clothes the rapists found attractive?

 

The bottom line is that law enforcement have and will continue to investigate the case and the defense attorney will conduct a parallel investigation. The truth will come out then. Maybe we can stop the "she was asking for it" vibe before it gets out of hand.

@ Best ... It is poor taste to release the victim's name. It is even poorer taste to want to know it so you can decide whether or not she deserves it.

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First of all explain why it's poor taste to release an "of age" ALLEGED victim's name. Second of all point out where I'm saying someone wants the name so they can decide if she "deserved" it. I think the chance of my even knowing her is slim to zero. I was questioning the practice of not releasing the names of all parties involved in an incident. I don't know the "suspects". Can I still call them suspects or would you rather I called them the guilty thugs? My point was-no one should be judged from jump, as suspects are when all of their personal information is released and they are judged guilty and thugs before all the facts are released, yet IF and I did post IF, it turns out to be a false claim, their reputations are ruined, hers is kept pretty much intact. The only "she was asking for it vibe" is coming from you. So you can take that haughty attitude and put it where the sun don't shine. 

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Got to tell you, you're not much of a leo if you can't follow what someone puts in print. The "deserving it" was in reference to her being grilled or "crucified" if it turns out she is lying. Again, there's that IF.

You are delirious if you don't see the implication. A victim's identity should be protected. Don't get mad because someone disagrees with you and calls you on it. And you know nothing about me, so you can take your accusations of my worth as a law enforcement officer and put them the same place you told me to. And to answer your question, "IF" she is proved to have fabricated the incident, her name will be made available. Until then, the Crime Victim's Act provides he safety and privacy. You seem to be big on a link from everyone but yourself, so here you go.

 

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eo...r/crime_victims.html

You are delirious if you don't see the implication. A victim's identity should be protected. Don't get mad because someone disagrees with you and calls you on it. And you know nothing about me, so you can take your accusations of my worth as a law enforcement officer and put them the same place you told me to. And to answer your question, "IF" she is proved to have fabricated the incident, her name will be made available. Until then, the Crime Victim's Act provides he safety and privacy. You seem to be big on a link from everyone but yourself, so here you go

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I ask, how is it fair to print the "suspects" names, all their personal information, but not the alleged victim's info? Their families are put on trial with them, the alleged victims families aren't. I could not care less about her name. You didn't "call me" on anything. You have a problem with my assessment of you, yet you think you're qualified to tell me what I think? Even when you can't comprehend a post? Again, put that haughty attitude where the sun don't shine. Big on links from everyone but me?  What does that even mean? I'm supposed to provide a link to something for some reason because I asked a question??

What I find interesting is that Pastula/his subordinates are now saying they're not sure how the man got her into the dorm room. Is he backing up on the "lure" remark? Did they find no drugs? Did she change her story to say he forced her?

 

Also the update mentions a second woman who was with the co-ed, but who would not go or did not go. It seems they just aren't sure of their info.

 

As for victims' ids, some do lie. Some are simply cases where there was, for whatever reason, no indictment. Sometimes I wonder how the grand jury can support their verdicts, not just in sex crimes, but in deaths like the girl at Brush Creek.

I wonder too how this works.   Is an arrest made any time a allegation like this is made or to certain criteria have to be met? Do some arrest come days or weeks after such a allegation only after those criteria are met?

 
 
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Originally Posted by Chuck Farley:

I wonder too how this works.   Is an arrest made any time a allegation like this is made or to certain criteria have to be met? Do some arrest come days or weeks after such a allegation only after those criteria are met?

 
 
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I wonder too why the site is putting this html stuff at the bottom of some of my posts?

From Chuck:

I wonder too how this works.   Is an arrest made any time a allegation like this is made or to certain criteria have to be met? Do some arrest come days or weeks after such a allegation only after those criteria are met?

 
 
This was slightly different, but the Feb. rape attempt charge didn't result in any arrests. The woman filed a complaint against two men specifically, and others she didn't know. UNA police picked her up, took her statement, then visited the men. They said she was just drunk and mad. UNA police then told the woman what was said, and she never returned to file charges. If she had, I would think there would have been quite an investigation and not just immediate arrests.
 
The rape attempt in Sheffield last year resulted in a pretty quick arrest but no indictment. BTW, this guy is now wanted in Florence for using pass keys to rob at least two apts.

After going to the hospital to check on her grandfather, Savanna Parrish reportedly went to the campsite and confronted Gibson.

McCluskey said witness statements indicate the two got into a fight inside a camper and Parrish walked out.

“A minute or so later, witnesses said she went back into the camper and they started fighting again,” he said.

Authorities said witnesses reported that Gibson grabbed a knife, but Parrish stabbed him first.

Gibson reportedly began stabbing Parrish repeatedly and then kicked her in the face, knocking her out the door and outside the camper, investigators said.

“This was all senseless,” Willis said. “This started out about money between Gibson and her granddaddy. It got out of hand, things went too far and we ended up with a young woman being stabbed to death.”

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Could be why it was not ruled as murder. She made choices that led to her death. Being armed with a knife and confronting him in the first place, leaving unharmed, but going back in to fight again, stabbing him first, then having to be backed out the door. 

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