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We imported over 400,000 barrels of oil in Jan. Omly 71,000 of those came from the Persian Gulf. Less than 1/2 came from OPEC countries.Over 80,000 barrels came from Canada and over 40,000 from Mexico. We import from over 60 world countries. We have our own oil but thank the tree huggers for our not taking it. Even if we were pumping our oil, we don't have the refineries to handle it and the oil companies sure won't build new refineries NOW, with the harpies taking food out of the mouths of children to make another fuel. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm (hope this works)
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Originally posted by lilyredrose:
We imported over 400,000 barrels of oil in Jan. Omly 71,000 of those came from the Persian Gulf. Less than 1/2 came from OPEC countries.Over 80,000 barrels came from Canada and over 40,000 from Mexico. We import from over 60 world countries. We have our own oil but thank the tree huggers for our not taking it. Even if we were pumping our oil, we don't have the refineries to handle it and the oil companies sure won't build new refineries NOW, with the harpies taking food out of the mouths of children to make another fuel. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm (hope this works)

Don't know where you and tye get your information, but the oil companies are as I type in the process of building 4 or 5 refineries . I got a cousin working on them. (and I'm a tree-hugger)
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Originally posted by JJPAUL:
Gas is reportedly already above $4.00/gallon in some places.

Don't this make you wish for another 4 years of Bush and his good republican friends who love oil? Are you ready for McCain another Bush Term?


Please remember that Al Gore wanted to slap an additional 50 cent per gallon tax on gasoline. I'm pretty sure I can live without any democrat wanting to stick his or her hand deeper into my pocket.


I am amazed that you think it is ok for the price of gasoline to go sky high partly because of the policies of the current administration, and all that money go to the oil companies, but you would resent a relitavely small tax to which would go to finding our way out of this mess.
Your logic (or lack therof) just amazes me !


First of all, you tend to blame this on the administration, which is hardly unexpected. It's much easier to blame GWB when you suffer from chronic BDS than to blame the liberal environmentalists who have tirelessly worked to put us into this situation. I mean, they have kept us from oil exploration and oil exploitation, and there hasn't been a refinery built in this country in decades. On the other hand, Smiling Al's tax increase would have done little more than been wasted. I'm spitballing here, but his track record on science and the environment hasn't been too stellar, what with his global warming scam. I'm pretty sure that the free market economy will work much better than any government program to find alternatives to petroleum. My opinion is that petroleum is too valuable a chemical to simply burn it in internal combustion engines, but that's another issue.
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Originally posted by JJPAUL:
skymaster, Which one do you think will go to the whitehouse?


Hey JJ,

I dislike them all equally but I think Obama will be there if Clinton doesn't steal the nomination.



I think you're right on the money. If Obama gets elected as president what changes do you think we will see?
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Originally posted by JJPAUL:
skymaster, Which one do you think will go to the whitehouse?


Hey JJ,

I dislike them all equally but I think Obama will be there if Clinton doesn't steal the nomination.



I think you're right on the money. If Obama gets elected as president what changes do you think we will see?


From my viewpoint, they are TOO scary to even contemplate.
I had to go to Nashville today on business, and filled up at WalMart $3.49/gal. Got to Lawrenceburg and noticed it was $3.42 up there.
Stayed on 60, and filled up when I got back to Lawrenceburg. 34.2MPG ! not too bad for that Buick!
If my car can get that, maybe the new CAFE standards Congress is trying to get thru is too soft on the car makers. After all , my car is 12 years old !
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If my car can get that, maybe the new CAFE standards Congress is trying to get thru is too soft on the car makers. After all , my car is 12 years old !
CAFE standards are a joke! the A stands for average, so the neon, aveo, and focus are supposed to offset the full size trucks. if they would focus on the truck/suv standards, it would actually make a difference. fuel efficiency for small cars isn't the problem. the gargantuan SUV with one occupant is.
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Originally posted by excelman:
If my car can get that, maybe the new CAFE standards Congress is trying to get thru is too soft on the car makers. After all , my car is 12 years old !
CAFE standards are a joke! the A stands for average, so the neon, aveo, and focus are supposed to offset the full size trucks. if they would focus on the truck/suv standards, it would actually make a difference. fuel efficiency for small cars isn't the problem. the gargantuan SUV with one occupant is.


How right you are, Reagan refused to include trucks and suv's in cafe standards, so they are exempt. Rep congress during Clinton also refused to do anything, so here we are.
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Originally posted by excelman:
I had to go to Nashville today on business, and filled up at WalMart $3.49/gal. Got to Lawrenceburg and noticed it was $3.42 up there.
Stayed on 60, and filled up when I got back to Lawrenceburg. 34.2MPG ! not too bad for that Buick!
If my car can get that, maybe the new CAFE standards Congress is trying to get thru is too soft on the car makers. After all , my car is 12 years old !


Higher CAFE standards lead to more deaths. From Wikpedia:

A Harvard Center for Risk Analysis study found that CAFE standards led to "2,200 to 3,900 additional fatalities to motorists per year. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's 2007 data show a correlation of about 250-500 fatalities per year per MPG.
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
So when it's a republican president, it's his fault, but when it's a democratic president, it's the congress' fault?

Sorry, but I'm pretty sure it's the consumer's fault. Why do people keep buying 9mpg H2s?
amen on both comments. its amazing what you can see, when its what you want to see.
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
So when it's a republican president, it's his fault, but when it's a democratic president, it's the congress' fault?

Sorry, but I'm pretty sure it's the consumer's fault. Why do people keep buying 9mpg H2s?


Not trying to partial fault. It is what it is. Check it out.
I'll add this comment for those whining about more production in the US. We were (almost) promised that once the Alaska Pipeline came on line, we would have plenty of oil. Well, it probably did help on the world markets, but in the long run demand is still outstripping supply, and since oil is a world commodity, more production would not necessarily give any long term relief for those gas prices. Conservation would be far better, especially if we could find a way to conserve ourselves off of oil entirely.

Probably won't really happen in my lifetime, but yes, I don't see any reason to whine--- we had a wake up call back in the 70's and we hit the snooze button. Now we have lost 30 years we could have been making progress. Whoever has been running our country for the majority of those years as well as those of us whose ego has wanted those big gas-guzzlers has fallen victim to the greed of the oil companies and the politicians who are in their pocket.
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:


Please remember that Al Gore wanted to slap an additional 50 cent per gallon tax on gasoline. I'm pretty sure I can live without any democrat wanting to stick his or her hand deeper into my pocket.


I am amazed that you think it is ok for the price of gasoline to go sky high partly because of the policies of the current administration, and all that money go to the oil companies, but you would resent a relitavely small tax to which would go to finding our way out of this mess.
Your logic (or lack therof) just amazes me !



So, our in house liberal (xman) thinks adding .50 to a gallon of gas is relitavely small. How many of you people are willing to pay .50 more for a gallon of gas? What a dim-witted statment.
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With gas prices rising every day everyone, Dems and Rep together , are upset. Everyone, however, is to blame somewhat for the high prices. Large SUVs, pleasure boating, etc. play a role in the price of gas. This is why we as Americans have a high demand for gas, we love our toys and our freedom to travel. This part we can control. Car pooling, driving autos that get better MPGs, slowing down, and few less boat rides are just a few ways that we can make a difference.

But every price is determined not only by demand, supply also plays a big role. It is this part that we cannot control. Knight Ridder Newspaper's Kevin G. Hall reports that spare production capacity in the OPEC oil cartel is thought to be only 1.5 million to 1.9 million barrels per day. The world consumes 85 million barrels each day. This leaves little room for disruption and there are plenty of disruptions:

Iraq's oilproduction is 900,000 barrells a day below prewar levels.
In Nigeria, political insurgents are shutting in 530,000 barrels each day.
In Venezuela, production is down 400,000 per day.
In the Gulf of Mexico, production is down 330,000 barrels per day from Katrina and Rita.

We can blame the president all we want. After all his war is one of the reasons why prices are up, but we also should blame ourselves.
We're paying dearly for a combination of things -- and a shortage of oil isn't a major reason.

Iraq, obviously, has problems producing oil. Iran hasn't modernized and limps along with older technology. Nigeria and other African suppliers are having internal troubles. Hugo Chavez fired most of the old petroleum company techies and replaced them with sycophants who don't know petroleum from olive oil, plus no funds have been spent to keep the equipment up. Add increased demand from India and China, and you have the start of our woes.

Congress will not allow drilling in ANWR, off most of our coastline (45 miles from Florida companies are drilling under the Cuban flag). Millions of acres in the US are off limits for exploration. Oil companies won't build new refineries and the government won't issue any permits. Brazil just discovered massive fields off her coastline, but development will be slow because of the credit crunch.
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Originally posted by Yo estoy de Russellvilla:
It will eventually run out!!! We can hoard all the oil we can find, but eventually it will run out. It is not a renewable resource.


Yes, you are correct. Oil production in the US reached it's peak in 1972 and has declined every since. There was a slowdown in the decline due to the Alaska pipeline coming on line for a while, but the bottom line is we have just about used up all the easy to get, cheap oil in our country. Still a lot there, but it is expensive to get.
Heard the other night on TV that the fields in Quawait are beginning to slow down and that soon they will have to be pumped.
Cheap oil is GONE ! We need to start now designing personal transportation that dosn't use by-products of petroleum.
Our National security depends upon getting off oil, not day-dreaming that we have plenty, just need more wells. That is fantasy !

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