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We simply can't produce 21,000,000 bls a day, even if we opened up all possible resources.

We peaked in our oil production in 1970 or so, 10,000,000 bls a day I think.

BTW, we have drilled more wells in the US than any other country.(I'm pretty sure about that. Unless someone else has been busier than a beaver. I'm sure one can google it.)

We have been tapped.
ANWAR is off limits, the east coast, most of the gulf, the Chicksa sea and the west coast are off limits -- even for natural gas. China is drilling 45 miles away from our coast under Cuban license. There are millions of acres of oil tar sands off limits on public lands. Canada is producing oil from theirs. And, there are many acres of public land off limits to regular drilling as well.
What about instead of drilling, drilling drilling, everybody just buy a car that gets at least 5 MPG better mileage. Send all that dont' to the scrapyard.
That one step would save more oil than we could pump from all the sources you have mentioned.
Maybe, just maybe you don't need that Bushmobile (big black SUV with "W THE PRESIDENT" sticker on the back window.
Canada's tar sands do have a lot of oil, however, it requires a lot of natural gas and fresh water to extract the oil. I think they are around 1 million bls a day and are hoping to get to 2 million bls a day, which would be their max due to production reqs(water & NG)

As for ANWAR we should drill it and drill any other areas we know to have oil, but I agree with Roscoe Bartlett(R) MD here, we need to leave it for an emergency reserve. In financial planning I require that my working clients haver at least 6 months of income(core expenses)in the bank in a savings account. We should do the same here, 6 months is a lot better than 30 days for strategic reserves.(I was under the impression that ANWAR had 6 mos to 2 years supply at best. I guess we won't know until we get fully set up to extract.)

The flip side is that we are in a resource war for the last remaining high quality oil available. Iraq. If we can secure it, and start diversifying with coal, nuclear, renewables, etc. it will greatly minimize our transition to another dense fuel source. We need to get busy now, like yesterday. China has American companies building pebble reactors (35 or so I think) right now. We need to get with the program ASAP.

I did want to mention conservation(and efficiency) too, for what it is worth, it is the fastest, easiest way to ease our energy crunch and should be our first step(s)....
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Originally posted by excelman:
What about instead of drilling, drilling drilling, everybody just buy a car that gets at least 5 MPG better mileage. Send all that dont' to the scrapyard.
That one step would save more oil than we could pump from all the sources you have mentioned.
Maybe, just maybe you don't need that Bushmobile (big black SUV with "W THE PRESIDENT" sticker on the back window.


And who will be paying to replace my Civic?
The strategic oil reserve has about 58 days supply and is 90 percent full. More are planned for the future.

In truth, no one know how much oil is in ANWAR, we aren't allowed to even do test drillings. I've seen estimates with a wide range. Perhaps, when the Canadians start drilling on their side of the border, we'll find out.

Brazil had no idea of their petroleum fields' capacity until they started drilling. Their off shore fields may rival Saudi Arabia. Yet, we can't drill off the east coast, most of the gulf, the west coast or the chicksa sea. We are the only country in the world so hampered. Besides the oil tar sands, there is shale oil. Technology for shale oil is reportedly starting to be feasible.

I'm a big fan of breeder reactors. The French use them for 80 percent of their electric power. Old fuel rods are re-energized by the new fuel rods, while producing power. The process cuts nuclear waste to the extreme. I suspect it would be a good generator of hydrogen for fuure use in our vehicles. It may be 50 years before fusion power is available, due to stupid decisions made 20 years ago.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by excelman:
What about instead of drilling, drilling drilling, everybody just buy a car that gets at least 5 MPG better mileage. Send all that dont' to the scrapyard.
That one step would save more oil than we could pump from all the sources you have mentioned.
Maybe, just maybe you don't need that Bushmobile (big black SUV with "W THE PRESIDENT" sticker on the back window.


And who will be paying to replace my Civic?


YOU !
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Originally posted by jmbo35660:
The price of gas in Saudi Arabia is .45 a gallon.


EVEN CHEAPER IN SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTRIES, OFFERED TO AMERICA. GAS PRICES BEING SO HIGH IS JUST A RUSE TO STEAL MORE OF THE PEOPLES MONEY. THERE IS NO EXCUSE OR REASON THE PRICES SHOULD BE SO HIGH EXCEPT GREED. CORPORATE GREED. GREED OF THE RICH WANTING TO BE RICHER WILL BE THE DECLINE OF OUR COUNTRY. LOOK WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OTHER COUNTRIES WHO HAS DONE THE SAME THING!
i have not educated myself about drilling in the gulf, but i do have an observation.

we went to gulf shores every year when i was a child/teenager. i went back about 5 years ago. i was amazed at how many oil rigs were visible now from the shore that were not there when my family visited 25 years ago.

a sad sight, in my opinion. i understand our need for oil, but do the rigs have to be so close to shore? i guess there are a lot of geological realities that i am not aware of....
I have an idea, why don't we overthrow the Mexican gov., make all of them U.S. citizens, tap into all the oil resources they have that the gov won't or don't have the money for and kill two birds with one stone.

Wait a minute, we could put the drug cartels out of business at the same time, but that would be three birds with one stone.

I guess this would be another thread in itself.
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
I have an idea, why don't we overthrow the Mexican gov., make all of them U.S. citizens, tap into all the oil resources they have that the gov won't or don't have the money for and kill two birds with one stone.

Wait a minute, we could put the drug cartels out of business at the same time, but that would be three birds with one stone.

I guess this would be another thread in itself.


It would also make our southern border much shorter, therefore easier to patrol and defend. All those jobs that headed south of the border, uh oh, they aren't anymore. Wink

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