Gas strike is real????

The Oil Companies moral responsiblity is to make money for their stockholders, nothing more nothing less. Most of these companies have about a 10% profit margin, the reason for the high profits is the high sales volume. You are correct if you want to lower prices, we have to decrease usage of there product. Not for a week though long term, get rid of the SUV and trucks unless you have to have one. And start developing practical alternatives.

Build a couple more refineries, if you wish to decrease the price. There's adequate supply of petroleum, but a squeeze at the refinery point. Convert more oil to gas and diesel fuel, quicker, and you will have more competition to get it to market!

Drive a Deep Fried Ride that burns SVO and bypass the whole gas thing altogether.
Fill up your tummy and your tank at Mickey D's.

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Originally posted by T S C:
Drive a Deep Fried Ride that burns SVO and bypass the whole gas thing altogether.
Fill up your tummy and your tank at Mickey D's.

We are seriously considering converting my husband's BMW X5 to burn biodiesel. We just filled up yesterday, at Costco (which is the cheapest Premium we've found) and it cost us over $80!!!! Not the worst of which, that full tank will not last us even a week as our daily commute is about 40 miles round trip.

You sillies, it's not the oil companies that are allowing prices to be where they are, it's the CONGRESS, you know those millionaires that are supposed to represent US.

BMW X5 and you are complaining, oh my dear person I am sooo impressed with your hardship, thankyou for joining us minions down here.

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Originally posted by Quarrles:
You sillies, it's not the oil companies that are allowing prices to be where they are, it's the CONGRESS, you know those millionaires that are supposed to represent US.

BMW X5 and you are complaining, oh my dear person I am sooo impressed with your hardship, thankyou for joining us minions down here.

Actually, the bulk of the blame could be laid at the feet of the radical environmental movement. Due in large part to them, no gasoline refineries have been built in the US in decades and exploration has been drastically cut back. And oil companies are going to be excited about funding research into technologies that will put them out of business? Get real.

And all of us in Southern California apologize to you, as self-designated moral arbiter, for not driving POS cars. Do you have a collection of cars sitting in your front yard?

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:

Actually, the bulk of the blame could be laid at the feet of the radical environmental movement. Due in large part to them, no gasoline refineries have been built in the US in decades and exploration has been drastically cut back.

Now that is just a bunch of BS!!!!!! Surely you don't think that this is why gas prices are so high.

Dilly,


Yes, one of several reasons. We import gasoline, because we can't refine enough. Anytime you import a more finished product, it costs more. Surely you learned that around Business 101?

It's a simple economic concept. If we accessed our own oil and improved refineries then it would lower prices. Environmentalists are keeping us out of ANWR. I'm all for conservation and even some areas preservation. There has to be a happy median for this situation.

Here's a site for pro/con of Alaska drilling:
http://www.govspot.com/issues/anwr.htm

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Originally posted by Chicken:
The Oil Companies moral responsiblity is to make money for their stockholders, nothing more nothing less. Most of these companies have about a 10% profit margin, the reason for the high profits is the high sales volume. You are correct if you want to lower prices, we have to decrease usage of there product. Not for a week though long term, get rid of the SUV and trucks unless you have to have one. And start developing practical alternatives.

The part about shareholders is true. There is no way volume has increased enough in just 3 yrs to account for the record profits. Howard is correct the choke point is the refineries.

We should pitch in and help the truckers!! lets be the first in Alabama with a string of 4 wheeler cars and trucks parked along the road side with our signs.

I appreciate your enthusiasm, Stay, but everyone already only uses gas if they absolutely have to. It literally changed a nation & how they choose to spend leisure time, including our youth. There is no huge increase in demand. That's just yet another excuse that was trotted out for the increase in gas prices.

All this ranting at "big oil" is based on the false assumption that oil companies make all record profit by gouging us at the pumps. Even our presidential candidates fan the flames. Obama has an ad that says: "Exxon made $40 billion dollars last year, and we're paying $3.50 a gallon for gas", thereby making voters think Exxon made 40 billion dollars by selling gas. The truth is, while Exxon did make 40b last quarter, 30b of that was made outside the U.S. Contrary to popular belief, selling gasoline is not "big oils" main source of income. They're "oil" companies, not "gasoline" companies. The bulk of their profit comes from drilling for "oil", and selling it on the worldwide market. If truckers "strike", some people think that'll cripple "big oil". Don't you think that there will be somebody around the world (probably China or Japan), that will say "we'll buy all you send us".

But, we gotta blame somebody, cause it certainly ain't our fault.

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Originally posted by DILLY:

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:

Actually, the bulk of the blame could be laid at the feet of the radical environmental movement. Due in large part to them, no gasoline refineries have been built in the US in decades and exploration has been drastically cut back.

Now that is just a bunch of BS!!!!!! Surely you don't think that this is why gas prices are so high.

Actually if you'll re-read Zip's post, the point he is making is the environmental wackos cry foul everytime there is talk of building refineries here in the US. If we had the new refineries here in the US we'd see the possibility of a nice drop in prices.

Also, check the facts on taxes on the oil companies and how they affect the price at the pump. If the gov't would drop these a bit, then our price at the pump would also drop a bit.

Greatest nation on earth huh, Cuba even has free healthcare, as does Canada, France, England, Germany, Great Britain, Guantanamao Bay Cuba, and alot of other free countries with the exception of Cuba. Bush has messed this country up. Let's try McCain. Can't do any worse. I don't like Obama's attitude and lack of experience or Hillary Clinton's arrogance. They think because they are democrats they will win automatically. Time for A Revolution!!!

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Originally posted by kevinpounders:
Cuba even has free healthcare, as does Canada, France, England, Germany, Great Britain,

Some words of wisdom: when it comes to government, nothings free. Someone has too pay.

How do you think all these countries pay for this "free" healthcare.

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Originally posted by midknightrider:

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Originally posted by kevinpounders:
Cuba even has free healthcare, as does Canada, France, England, Germany, Great Britain,

Some words of wisdom: when it comes to government, nothings free. Someone has too pay.

How do you think all these countries pay for this "free" healthcare.

Midnight, who do you think is paying NOW for all those who receive FREE health care at our Emergency Rooms which is the MOST EXPENSIVE way to handle health care?
Do you think that if those folks had access to health care insurance and had to pay for it whether they wanted to or not, there would be a difference in what the rest of us pay for their Free health care ?

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Originally posted by excelman:

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Originally posted by midknightrider:

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Originally posted by kevinpounders:
Cuba even has free healthcare, as does Canada, France, England, Germany, Great Britain,

Some words of wisdom: when it comes to government, nothings free. Someone has too pay.

How do you think all these countries pay for this "free" healthcare.

Midnight, who do you think is paying NOW for all those who receive FREE health care at our Emergency Rooms which is the MOST EXPENSIVE way to handle health care?
Do you think that if those folks had access to health care insurance and had to pay for it whether they wanted to or not, there would be a difference in what the rest of us pay for their Free health care ?

The healthcare system we have now, while far from perfect, is better than anything the government could provide.

Why would anyone think that the government could provide you with better healthcare at a cheaper price ? ...Oh yeah... They told you they could.

The governments long track record of spending money wisely, combined with the promises of politicians that want your vote...heck, it must be true.

Giving the feds unlimited access to your pocketbook and putting them in charge of your healthcare is a recipe for disaster. They'll keep coming back for more, more, more...

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Originally posted by midknightrider:

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Originally posted by excelman:

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Originally posted by midknightrider:

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Originally posted by kevinpounders:
Cuba even has free healthcare, as does Canada, France, England, Germany, Great Britain,

Some words of wisdom: when it comes to government, nothings free. Someone has too pay.

How do you think all these countries pay for this "free" healthcare.

Midnight, who do you think is paying NOW for all those who receive FREE health care at our Emergency Rooms which is the MOST EXPENSIVE way to handle health care?
Do you think that if those folks had access to health care insurance and had to pay for it whether they wanted to or not, there would be a difference in what the rest of us pay for their Free health care ?

The healthcare system we have now, while far from perfect, is better than anything the government could provide.

Why would anyone think that the government could provide you with better healthcare at a cheaper price ? ...Oh yeah... They told you they could.

The governments long track record of spending money wisely, combined with the promises of politicians that want your vote...heck, it must be true.

Giving the feds unlimited access to your pocketbook and putting them in charge of your healthcare is a recipe for disaster. They'll keep coming back for more, more, more...

You obviously have not read anything I have posted on the subject, or you are just too far gone listening to Fox or Rush to comprehend.

What I have said many times, is that everyone should be required to have health insurance. Period ! If you own a car, you MUST have liability insurance. If you own a body, you SHOULD BE REQUIRED to carry insurance on it so that the rest of us are not held financially libel if you go to the doctor or hospital.

In fact, that is essentially the health care plan that Hillary states she supports. All this crap that the right wing puts out about "Hillary Care" is just scare tactics for the un-informed right wing nuts to rant about.

I have never stated that I support government run health care system, although I do believe if done properly, would be a vast improvement on what we have now.

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Originally posted by kevinpounders:
Greatest nation on earth huh, Cuba even has free healthcare, as does Canada, France, England, Germany, Great Britain, Guantanamao Bay Cuba, and alot of other free countries with the exception of Cuba. Bush has messed this country up. Let's try McCain. Can't do any worse. I don't like Obama's attitude and lack of experience or Hillary Clinton's arrogance. They think because they are democrats they will win automatically. Time for A Revolution!!!

You don't know what you're asking for.

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Originally posted by excelman:
You obviously have not read anything I have posted on the subject, or you are just too far gone listening to Fox or Rush to comprehend.

What I have said many times, is that everyone should be required to have health insurance. Period ! If you own a car, you MUST have liability insurance. If you own a body, you SHOULD BE REQUIRED to carry insurance on it so that the rest of us are not held financially libel if you go to the doctor or hospital.

In fact, that is essentially the health care plan that Hillary states she supports. All this crap that the right wing puts out about "Hillary Care" is just scare tactics for the un-informed right wing nuts to rant about.

I have never stated that I support government run health care system, although I do believe if done properly, would be a vast improvement on what we have now.

You didn't read my post, or failed to comprehend what I said.

Hillary's plan is for a health insurance program that is subsidized by taxpayers and run by the government. They would decide what they are willing to pay and to whom, just like private insurance companies. Therefore anyone who uses her plan too get "free" insurance would be subject to government oversight.

Her proposal mandates that a person buy health insurance...though she hasn't stated how this mandate would be enforced. Maybe, using your car insurance comparison, since the penalty for not having liability insurance is loss of the ability too drive said car, the penalty for failure too buy health insurance is loss of the ability too live...I don't know...she hasn't said. Anyway what it boils down too is, buy it from them, or buy it from us. If they can mandate that you buy some, don't you think they could mandate that providers accept what they decide is best. Would this not be government run healthcare ?

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Originally posted by midknightrider:

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Originally posted by excelman:
You obviously have not read anything I have posted on the subject, or you are just too far gone listening to Fox or Rush to comprehend.

What I have said many times, is that everyone should be required to have health insurance. Period ! If you own a car, you MUST have liability insurance. If you own a body, you SHOULD BE REQUIRED to carry insurance on it so that the rest of us are not held financially libel if you go to the doctor or hospital.

In fact, that is essentially the health care plan that Hillary states she supports. All this crap that the right wing puts out about "Hillary Care" is just scare tactics for the un-informed right wing nuts to rant about.

I have never stated that I support government run health care system, although I do believe if done properly, would be a vast improvement on what we have now.

You didn't read my post, or failed to comprehend what I said.

Hillary's plan is for a health insurance program that is subsidized by taxpayers and run by the government. They would decide what they are willing to pay and to whom, just like private insurance companies. Therefore anyone who uses her plan too get "free" insurance would be subject to government oversight.

Her proposal mandates that a person buy health insurance...though she hasn't stated how this mandate would be enforced. Maybe, using your car insurance comparison, since the penalty for not having liability insurance is loss of the ability too drive said car, the penalty for failure too buy health insurance is loss of the ability too live...I don't know...she hasn't said. Anyway what it boils down too is, buy it from them, or buy it from us. If they can mandate that you buy some, don't you think they could mandate that providers accept what they decide is best. Would this not be government run healthcare ?

What you say is her plan and what she says is her plan are two different things.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/healthcare/americanhealthchoicesplan.pdf
In her plan is a bottom tier described to be like medicare. NOWHERE DO I READ THAT THIS IS "FREE" INSURANCE TO ANYBODY AS YOU KEEP PARROTING. Hell, even medicare is NOT free , and in fact not even real cheap.
Even with Medicare (actually a pretty well run thing, just ask any senior if they would give it up) the government does not tell you which doctor you can go to and which ones you can't. Some doctors won't take patients on Medicare, but there are some doctors who don't take patients on Blue Cross. So What ?
I believe everybody should be required to have some level of health insurance that they have to pay for, otherwise we will just keep having to continue to pay thru our own health insurance plans, and thru our taxes for those who just go to the emergency rooms as their primary health provider and duck out on the payments.
Just today there is an article in the paper talking about doctors leaving ECM (Shoals) and the strain it will put on that hospital because a higher percent of it's patents will be free at the ER.
This problem does NOT have a bumper-sticker mentality fix, and it for sure needs to be fixed. To keep parroting Rush and his kind on "free, and government run" health care is tackling this problem with that bumper-sticker mentality, and insures that the insurance companies can continue to cherry pick their insured.

Editing to add: How the hell did a subject on gas strike wind up debating health care ?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by midknightrider:
All this ranting at "big oil" is based on the false assumption that oil companies make all record profit by gouging us at the pumps. Even our presidential candidates fan the flames. Obama has an ad that says: "Exxon made $40 billion dollars last year, and we're paying $3.50 a gallon for gas", thereby making voters think Exxon made 40 billion dollars by selling gas. The truth is, while Exxon did make 40b last quarter, 30b of that was made outside the U.S. Contrary to popular belief, selling gasoline is not "big oils" main source of income. They're "oil" companies, not "gasoline" companies. The bulk of their profit comes from drilling for "oil", and selling it on the worldwide market. If truckers "strike", some people think that'll cripple "big oil". Don't you think that there will be somebody around the world (probably China or Japan), that will say "we'll buy all you send us".

But, we gotta blame somebody, cause it certainly ain't our fault.[/QU

rider let's blame all these Mexicans for coming over here and buying them a car and burning all our gas up, actually we havent built a Refinery in 30 years and I thnk that has a lot to do with it, the oil companies don't want any more Refineries, that would increase supply and thus lower prices

You are totally correct...
If the oil companies wanted more refineries, then you would get them....
If you don't like something, then change it by your thoughts, words..deeds...meaning..tell your politician to stop doing pork barrel crap, impliment a workable health plan so every one is covered...stop the insurance companies from not covering a individual for pre-existing conditions...

Tell your politician either spend the money wisely or we are no longer going to pay the taxes you demand...so you can spend...spend...spend...

Who's fault is it that all of the crap that has been allowed to happen....

YOU ARE...I AM....WE ALL ARE...TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY ...

You people are really f***** up. Our government is awful. We go fight everything They are afrid of for them. Not because we are threatened but because they tell us too! The ones who aren't rich die for their country and don't know why. Bull ****. They may come after me. They can't take what I don't give them. They can take my $00.36 and old ass truck but not what I beleive. I am not saying 9/11 wasn't A need to respond but **** figure out who youre enemy is before you go to a fight. Even if you have watched the news for the past 40 years you know who. The whole Middle East. Sure they will take our technology to defeat the Soviets. Just like they are doing us now. I had family in the first Desert Storm and that was A just war (if there is such a thing). I had family on my Wifes side in Opperation Enduring Freedom The George Bush Project Part2 that family member died. We protect the countries who have the oil. We place people in power that we want to run these so called friendly countries who have oil. Why are there troops in Iraq, Osama isn't there. Have we got him? Would we know if they had got him? A NFL football star left to join the millitary and was shot by friendly fire. How long did it take for the truth to come out. Look it up. Every mistake in the U.S. no matter the merrit is covered up all it takes is good Public Relations (liars) and $$$$$$$$$. Even in Alabama just hide and watch. What I say are oppinions. I don't direct them at anyone. But to some of you WAKE UP before it is too late. They will not follow us home!! A woman from Texas can't even get on A plane with a Nipple Piercing. I believe we are covered. Oil is a commodity when supply is low and demand is high the price goes up. When supply is high and demand is low the price goes down, but when supply is high and demand is high they keep raising the gas prices. Wonder why you people have been lied to by the government and beleive the stupid **** enough to keep spending, Quit buying gas invest in ethanol, let the farmers get rich for a change. POWER TO THE PEOPLE all colors

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLL K E V I N ole boy !

I do hope you feel better after that expression of intelligence that I can't recall observing in quite sometime....

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Originally posted by excelman:
What you say is her plan and what she says is her plan are two different things.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/healthcare/americanhealthchoicesplan.pdf
In her plan is a bottom tier described to be like medicare. NOWHERE DO I READ THAT THIS IS "FREE" INSURANCE TO ANYBODY AS YOU KEEP PARROTING. Hell, even medicare is NOT free , and in fact not even real cheap.
Even with Medicare (actually a pretty well run thing, just ask any senior if they would give it up) the government does not tell you which doctor you can go to and which ones you can't. Some doctors won't take patients on Medicare, but there are some doctors who don't take patients on Blue Cross. So What ?
I believe everybody should be required to have some level of health insurance that they have to pay for, otherwise we will just keep having to continue to pay thru our own health insurance plans, and thru our taxes for those who just go to the emergency rooms as their primary health provider and duck out on the payments.
Just today there is an article in the paper talking about doctors leaving ECM (Shoals) and the strain it will put on that hospital because a higher percent of it's patents will be free at the ER.
This problem does NOT have a bumper-sticker mentality fix, and it for sure needs to be fixed. To keep parroting Rush and his kind on "free, and government run" health care is tackling this problem with that bumper-sticker mentality, and insures that the insurance companies can continue to cherry pick their insured.

Editing to add: How the hell did a subject on gas strike wind up debating health care ?

Don't believe either one of us. Re-read carefully, then if you want, we'll start another thread. I did not mean to hi-jack this one, someone else brought up free health insurance, and I merely responded. Sorry.

I don't listen to Rush, Dennis Miller is more my speed.