Gay Marriage

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Genesis chapter 19...Tell it to God lady, He has not changed His mind.

...and when was the last time he gave you his opinion on the subject, and please don't quote the Bible again.

If we had common sense like 1949 instead of 2009, we wouldn't be having this problem. The spread of hiv would have been stopped immediately by putting the infected people in quarantine instead of allowing them to roam the country, unidentified, spreading death where ever they go. Or maybe if we had had the perverted-thinking liberals of today, back in the days of epidemics like small pox, the plague, and yellow fever; WE might not be here today. The tragedy is that the disease is entirely preventable, since AIDS is transmitted, not through the air, or food or water, but through known human behaviors.

This is not a religious reason. Once again it's fact.

Genesis chapter 19...Tell it to God lady. God determines who receives his blessings and He is clear that it will not be homosexuals.

Shimara12, if you want to tell homosexual, same sexed couples they are married, feel free to do just that, BUT God will not bless the sexual union of two people of the same sex. Why do you think God destroyed Sodom and Gomorras, and why do you think some of our codified law still refers to homosexual activity as sodomy and perps as sodomites...?? You really need to read the Bible account of God's handling of homosexuals, assuming you have a Bible.

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Originally posted by kperk:
If we had common sense like 1949 instead of 2009, we wouldn't be having this problem. The spread of hiv would have been stopped immediately by putting the infected people in quarantine instead of allowing them to roam the country, unidentified, spreading death where ever they go. Or maybe if we had had the perverted-thinking liberals of today, back in the days of epidemics like small pox, the plague, and yellow fever; WE might not be here today. The tragedy is that the disease is entirely preventable, since AIDS is transmitted, not through the air, or food or water, but through known human behaviors.

This is not a religious reason. Once again it's fact.

What kind of psychotic jibberish was that? So "Hate Crimes" would be OK with you? Kill all the gay people because they all have HIV and are roaming all over the US spreading it to straight people? They didn't all get HIV from infected blood. Think maybe they could be transmitting the dreaded virus? Get a grip.

No, it is not alright to kill homosexuals, but the Muslim (Islamic people) do kill homosexuals on a nearly daily basis...fourteen recently killed for homosexuality. It was in the international news...executed where they found them...no trial necessary.

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Originally posted by shimara12:

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Originally posted by kperk:
If we had common sense like 1949 instead of 2009, we wouldn't be having this problem. The spread of hiv would have been stopped immediately by putting the infected people in quarantine instead of allowing them to roam the country, unidentified, spreading death where ever they go. Or maybe if we had had the perverted-thinking liberals of today, back in the days of epidemics like small pox, the plague, and yellow fever; WE might not be here today. The tragedy is that the disease is entirely preventable, since AIDS is transmitted, not through the air, or food or water, but through known human behaviors.

This is not a religious reason. Once again it's fact.

What kind of psychotic jibberish was that? So "Hate Crimes" would be OK with you? Kill all the gay people because they all have HIV and are roaming all over the US spreading it to straight people? They didn't all get HIV from infected blood. Think maybe they could be transmitting the dreaded virus? Get a grip.

If you have a child with a bad cold, do you try to keep him away from your other child (and no you don't have to kill him to do that) in order to stop the spread from one to the other? No one is saying "kill the gays" except you by allowing infected gays to spread it to the other gays.

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
No, it is not alright to kill homosexuals, but the Muslim (Islamic people) do kill homosexuals on a nearly daily basis...fourteen recently killed for homosexuality. It was in the international news...executed where they found them...no trial necessary.

Whew shimara! You may need to keep an eye on olebama!

I think they put Shimara to bed...her screen name is Shimara12, so she is probably only twelve years old...

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
I think they put Shimara to bed...her screen name is Shimara12, so she is probably only twelve years old...

Sure seems that way sometimes. How a post can be interpreted totally backwards is beyond me.

sounds like to me that Shimara not only want us to accept gays, but for us to change God's Mind also..or atleast change the bible.

Sheldivr and kperk are closet cases, I'd bet on it!

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Originally posted by David L.:
Sheldivr and kperk are closet cases, I'd bet on it!

I wouldn't let you near me, pervert! Dream on.

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by David L.:
Sheldivr and kperk are closet cases, I'd bet on it!

I wouldn't let you near me, pervert! Dream on.

Trust me, I wouldn't want near you. Don't flatter yourself a-hole.

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Originally posted by David L.:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by David L.:
Sheldivr and kperk are closet cases, I'd bet on it!

I wouldn't let you near me, pervert! Dream on.

Trust me, I wouldn't want near you. Don't flatter yourself a-hole.

You're the boy wanting to flirt. I'm not like the parents of the prez, a-hole. I don't swing that way.

Yeah, just obsessed with the topic. I know guys like you. You're not fooling me.

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Originally posted by David L.:
Yeah, just obsessed with the topic. I know guys like you. You're not fooling me.

Lot of practice, eh dave. Do you hang out a lot in san francisco or key west?

The ONLY people who can think I hate gays because of my posts have to be gay themselves and not very good readers. I don't want them spreading that killer disease among themselves any more than I want intravenous drug-using men spreading it to unsuspecting women.

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Originally posted by ILuvSchnauzers:
Personally I have no problem with gay marriage. I do not think you can help who you fall in love with or who you are sexually attracted to. I know some people bring religious views and that is fine because that is the way you feel about it. The way I look at the whole ordeal is that we all are going to be judge at the end and judge by God. So why all the fussing and fighting, God has the final say! I have always tried to accept everyone ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. If you are a good person in your heart, it will always show through and in my book that is what counts, not the color of your skin or your sexual orientation.

okay, here's where i get confused: if you can't help who you fall in love with or who you are sexually attracted to ; then it must be okay to molest children? the child molesters can't help it if they are sexually attracted to children ? how does that work ? if we don't have control over that, who does ? and comparing one's skin color to 'sexual orientation'....... i had no choice in the matter of my skin color , nor did the person of african descent or asian descent , etc. but i do have a choice about who i have sex with........i know , i know , it sounds crazy but those are some of my thoughts on the subject.

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by ILuvSchnauzers:
It is a myth that most or all gay people have HIV now. How about all the heterosexuals with HIV? One of the reason gays want marriage to be legal for them is for when they get older and their significant other is hospitalized or etc. Otherwise they have no say so in any treatment plans, etc. because they are not considered family. This actually happened to a friend's aunt, whose significant other had terminal cancer and she was not even allow to come and visit because she was not family and they had been together for 20 years. I know if my significant other or spouse was in that situation I would want to take care of them and would be extremely heart broken if I was told I could not because I'm not family, wouldn't you?

That's why gays made the major push to get sick willie to let them in the military was for health care, mainly the hiv situation. No, not all gays have aids but they still make up the vast majority of infected people. If insurance companies are forced to start shelling out billions and billions of dollars more to pay for treatment of terminal aids patients, insurance will become unaffordable.

kperk, bcbs family health coverage runs about $700 a month (or more , if you want the dental plan.) not exactly affordable now is it ? i know thats kinda' off subject........ i'm just saying.....

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Originally posted by flotown79:
I am one that has to have facts and not personal beliefs, and there is no way to prove it.

insurance: good , old-fashioned , legalized extortion. and it directly / indirectly determines a WHOLE lot of things in the world we live in .......don't you think ?

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Originally posted by kperk:
The ONLY people who can think I hate gays because of my posts have to be gay themselves and not very good readers. I don't want them spreading that killer disease among themselves any more than I want intravenous drug-using men spreading it to unsuspecting women.

My partner and I, who have been together for 18 years, are not out spreading diseases. You are trying to assume that all gay people are the same. Frankly, I don't care if they call it marriage or whatever, we would just like to have the tax breaks and benefits that other couples enjoy. Why is that so bad?

I am not gay and neither is my best friend, but if we out live our husbands, we are going to share a household. I believe any group of people forming a caring family unit should be entitled to the benefits of such. I believe like David, that this issue is primarily about being able to leave your benefits to your loved ones.

I am not condemning any certain individuals. There are good and bad in all races, sexes, and sexual orientations. There is cheating in all aspects of life. Like a single woman on welfare and getting many other taxpayer funded benefits. She cheats by NOT getting married. She has a live-in male who works but his income doesn't count against the woman's benefits so it is clear money to spend on beer, cigarettes, drugs, etc.

When dealing with the sexual transmission of hiv, it is overwhelmingly a gay problem. Even if you aren't part of the problem, you can't deny it. Flotown mentioned that bcbs insurance is $700 per month but that's still a far cry from the average treatment per month for aids of $2,083.

Everyone is evaluated, insurance-wise, by their personal behavior. If you indulge in risky behaviors such as smoking, drinking, or drug use; you are likely to pay higher premiums if you can get coverage at all. Since, by the numbers, the gay lifestyle is much more risky than the heterosexual lifestyle, it has created this dilemma. Would gays agree to pay higher premiums based on their risky behavior or would they sue and force the rest of us to foot that bill through higher premiums for all? I tend to believe their organizations would sue.

Once again, I'm not accusing anyone on here of anything. I'm willing to bet that everyone on this forum are more or less, honest people. When you watch a real-life ER show and you see a drug dealer, shot to pieces and wheeled into the ER where they perform three quarters of a million dollars worth of surgery on someone who has never and never will, contribute one positive thing to society; does it ever irritate that's it's YOU who foot the bill for that? It irritates me.

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Originally posted by David L.:
Sheldivr and kperk are closet cases, I'd bet on it!

"Sheldivr & Kperk doth protest too much, methinks."

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
I think they put Shimara to bed...her screen name is Shimara12, so she is probably only twelve years old...

Interesting the way you respond to a differing opinion. Belittling someone make you right?

Yep, usually after page 3 it begins to turn personal.

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Originally posted by shimara12:

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Originally posted by David L.:
Sheldivr and kperk are closet cases, I'd bet on it!

"Sheldivr & Kperk doth protest too much, methinks."

You wouldn't protest me, baby.

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Originally posted by Roger Waters:
With four states now allowing same sex marriage,what are your thoughts on the subject and where do you think it will eventually head?

Equal rights afforded to all citizens and taxpayers?

I don't see this going to legalized bestiality or zoophilia, interspecies marriage, etc.

Marriage is just a piece of paper, don't think so?

Just look at the divorce rates.

I think it is a blown out of proportion wedge issue - particularly leveraged to target a voting demographic.

I'm personally into the hetero lifestyle, but how can I or anyone else dictate what two consenting adults do with each other in the privacy of their homes?

Regards

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Originally posted by flotown79:
As long as they are not bothering me I don't care. If they are happy I say let them be left alone.

All men are created equal, is on a very important piece of paper that many hold near and dear!!!!

I agree, it don't make sense for the republicans to holler 'less government' when they turn around and ask for government and churches to control everybody's bedrooms. The church and the government needs to stay out of the bedroom.

I don't know why you think it's all about someone trying to force their morality on anyone. Do you just ENJOY paying for the behavior of other people such as crime, welfare, drug use, or extremely risky sexual behavior? If so, I guess you are living in your own kind of "paradise" these days. Personally, I'd like to be allowed to keep more of MY money to spend on the needs of MY family.

Life must be almost unbearably tough on you, Blew Dog.

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by shimara12:

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Originally posted by David L.:
Sheldivr and kperk are closet cases, I'd bet on it!

"Sheldivr & Kperk doth protest too much, methinks."

You wouldn't protest me, baby.

I thought I was 12 years old, what does that make you?

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Originally posted by shimara12:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by shimara12:

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Originally posted by David L.:
Sheldivr and kperk are closet cases, I'd bet on it!

"Sheldivr & Kperk doth protest too much, methinks."

You wouldn't protest me, baby.

I thought I was 12 years old, what does that make you?

A WHOLE LOT younger than I am now!

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by shimara12:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by shimara12:

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Originally posted by David L.:
Sheldivr and kperk are closet cases, I'd bet on it!

"Sheldivr & Kperk doth protest too much, methinks."

You wouldn't protest me, baby.

I thought I was 12 years old, what does that make you?

A WHOLE LOT younger than I am now!

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Originally posted by The Easter Bunny:
They tax cigs , they tax soda's , let them tax gay couples . tax condoms .
I dont want my Ins. to go up so a gay man can marry another man .

All of the above have been taxed for many years now.

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
Life must be almost unbearably tough on you, Blew Dog.

Life is ok and would be better off if we didn't have hypocrites from the right wing trying to tell everybody else what to do in their own bedroom.

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Originally posted by Nobluedog:

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
Life must be almost unbearably tough on you, Blew Dog.

Life is ok and would be better off if we didn't have hypocrites from the right wing trying to tell everybody else what to do in their own bedroom.

Hey if your wife(husband?) couldn't tell you what to do in your bedroom then somebody needs to!

I shouldn't have to explain things to NBD, but for some bizarre reason, I must. It's like one of these unfolding tragedies you can't turn away from.

Blow the Dog, read your tag line and then go back and re-read my post.

What a maroon.

the laws of nature should apply here. nature intended for men and women to breed. thats why a man can impregnate women. therefore marrige should be between a man a woman. its unnatural for members of the same sex to be together. you cant argue with nature.

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Originally posted by foot_n_mouth_often:
the laws of nature should apply here. nature intended for men and women to breed. thats why a man can impregnate women. therefore marrige should be between a man a woman. its unnatural for members of the same sex to be together. you cant argue with nature.

how romantic...