Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Originally posted by thenagel:
Well, i'm not exactly sure what you mean by predators. I've been hit on by gay men before. i don't consider that being hunted by a gay predator, i figure it's a complement because he thought i was good looking and hoped i played for his team. when i told him that, no, i didn't play for his team he accepted it at left me alone.
When I say "gay predator" I am thinking more of the older gays who go after the young kids fresh in the military. This could be older gays from the community surrounding the training base -- or it could be older gays within the military who will take advantage of the new kids who have not yet learned their way around the military.
Yes, like you, as an older man -- I have always been able to handle the situation with gays who approach me in bars and night clubs. These are not the predators I had in mind.
Our young people in the military have volunteered to go in harm's way to protect our way of life. We owe it to them to protect them from gay predators while they are being prepared for their duty.
That is my point -- and I believe, from personal experience, myself and friends, it is a valid point.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
It may well be valid. I cannot confirm or deny its validity. All i can say is that the few times i've been hit on by a gay guy, he was polite and respectful and took No to mean No. I've never experianced your version of the Gay Predator, so I don't really have an opinion on it.
All i really know for a fact is this:
I'm not gay, and because i'm not i don't really have an opinion on the gay lifestyle. whether it's bibilically wrong or not is no concern of mine - it's God's job to dole out judgement. I don't worry that my son will 'be lured into homosexuality' because i personally believe either you are gay, or you aren't. I know you disagree, but we're all entitled to our own opinion. you will claim that the bible proves your point, but i disagree with that as well, so there isn't any point in arguing it. we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that one and let it go.
You are correct - we DO owe it to those willing to serve. we owe them everything. i was never of the temprement to serve in the military, but i have worlds of respect for those who do, and did, and that includes you.
But.. bare with me here...
( This is a hypothetical, merely something to think about....)
Is it possible that your biblical beliefs cause you to see a greater threat than is really there? i know you like to think you don't discriminate, but instead try to bring the gays out of sin. to most of the rest of us it looks like discrimination and fear and ahtred towards homosexuals. i'm not accusing you of this, i'm simply stating that this is what it looks like to most of us.
so, i wonder if your concern of the threat of gay predators in the military isn't because of your deep seated belief that homosexuality is passed from person to person like the flu, and with each ' conversion' spreads sin with it?
See.. until you, I've never met anyone who mentioned 'gay military predators' other than one marine who, while discussing the Navy's predator drones, who said "Dude, Predator's are gay. they're so the POGe's scan just play nintendo on the ships and not get their uniforms dirty."
( but i think this isn't what you mean)
i've known several people in the various services, including coast guards, and some of them i've known very well. none of them have ever mentioned feeling threatened in the way you mention.
i'm not saying you are lying or anything... i'm saying perhaps you see a greater threat than is really there, because of a couple of bad experiances you had. perhaps you were the extreme exception, and not the rule.
it's just a thought. /shrug