Right-o. I know exactly what you meant. And it was indeed quite ugly.
My reading comprehension skills are quite able, thank you, Sir. I was giving you an opportunity to change the statement....
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by b50m:
Bill, thank you for realizing your error. Since we are now on the same page and the AIDS virus did come from chimps, that would throw out that 'God did it to punish homosexuals'.

Hi B50,

I have never believed that God punishes people for being gay. Through the effects of our own sins; we punish ourselves. If I were a non-believer who took drugs or got drunk -- and, because of this action I have an accident and am maimed; this is not God punishing me, this is my own action causing me harm. Yet, if I then become a believer -- I am forgiven -- but, I am still a maimed believer.

God does not punish anyone for being gay. However, a person who is living an active homosexual lifestyle cannot be a Christian -- for the two are polar opposites. A person can fool himself into believing he is living a Christian life; but, he is not. A person can find churches which will tell him his homosexual lifestyle if okay with God -- but, that church and its leaders are misleading this person.

Gay theologians will attempt to rewrite the Genesis account of Sodom saying that their sin is really being inhospitable -- but, that theologian is lying to himself and to all who follow him.

Just as a Christian believer cannot be possessed by demonic spirit; a Christian believer cannot live a homosexual lifestyle.

The person who is living an active homosexual lifestyle is punishing himself by denying Jesus Christ and by not being born again. As Jesus Christ tells us in John 3:3, "You must be born again to see the kingdom of God" -- and a person living a homosexual lifestyle is not born again.

Therefore, he is bringing a self imposed condemnation, i.e., punishment upon himself. He is punishing himself by condemning himself to live eternally with Satan, rather than living eternally with God.

Yet, up until that last breath -- that self imposed punishment can be reversed if this person will sincerely turn from the world and turn to follow Jesus Christ, i.e., repent and believe. But, one must pray that this last breath does not come unexpectedly -- before this person has a chance to repent and believe.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Dang it.
this sucks.
but i have to admit, publically, that i acctually don't find anything in this post of bills to disagree with.
he isn't belittling homosexuality, or threating them with hellfire, or calling them sick or perverted or anything, or condeming them.
he just points out that be bible forbids active homosexuality,(which it does) and that if you choose to ignore it, it can prevent you from going to heaven. (which is true, if you believe in that sort of thing)
Granted, he took a long time to say it, and threw some scripture in there too.

what is happening to the world, when I agree with a post about homosexuals with Bill?
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by b50m:
Bill, thank you for realizing your error. Since we are now on the same page and the AIDS virus did come from chimps, that would throw out that 'God did it to punish homosexuals'.

Hi B50,

I have never believed that God punishes people for being gay. Through the effects of our own sins; we punish ourselves. If I were a non-believer who took drugs or got drunk -- and, because of this action I have an accident and am maimed; this is not God punishing me, this is my own action causing me harm. Yet, if I then become a believer -- I am forgiven -- but, I am still a maimed believer.

God does not punish anyone for being gay. However, a person who is living an active homosexual lifestyle cannot be a Christian -- for the two are polar opposites. A person can fool himself into believing he is living a Christian life; but, he is not. A person can find churches which will tell him his homosexual lifestyle if okay with God -- but, that church and its leaders are misleading this person.

Gay theologians will attempt to rewrite the Genesis account of Sodom saying that their sin is really being inhospitable -- but, that theologian is lying to himself and to all who follow him.

Just as a Christian believer cannot be possessed by demonic spirit; a Christian believer cannot live a homosexual lifestyle.

The person who is living an active homosexual lifestyle is punishing himself by denying Jesus Christ and by not being born again. As Jesus Christ tells us in John 3:3, "You must be born again to see the kingdom of God" -- and a person living a homosexual lifestyle is not born again.

Therefore, he is bringing a self imposed condemnation, i.e., punishment upon himself. He is punishing himself by condemning himself to live eternally with Satan, rather than living eternally with God.

Yet, up until that last breath -- that self imposed punishment can be reversed if this person will sincerely turn from the world and turn to follow Jesus Christ, i.e., repent and believe. But, one must pray that this last breath does not come unexpectedly -- before this person has a chance to repent and believe.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Sorry but I don't believe a word of this. The Bible condemns many things - including divorce - but it is funny how that little transgression gets swept under the carpet.

I guess you also feel that all those people in foreign countries are going to hell because they are not Christians and practice other religions.

I don't buy it and furthermore, I don't believe in hell either.
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Originally posted by WH:
@ jankinonya...

I must admit you had me fooled . I now see that you are a homosexual.

After reading some of your other postings and seeing how you are bigoted against Christians, it is all coming together now. I am used to homosexuals using some pretty underhanded tricks.


LMAO!!! Big Grin I know that you think this is some how an insult to me, but you would be wrong.

How have homosexuals fooled you in the past WH? I'm curious why you made that statement. What does the word underhanded mean to YOU?


You think that child molesters and homosexuals are the same thing. If that is not hate I don't know what is. I personally HATE child molesters. Are you saying you don't? If you think they are the same thing and you say you don't hate homosexuals then am I to deduce that you also don't hate a child molester? Anyone that could hurt a child like that is a monster and I wouldn't have a problem ending their miserable lives myself . As adults we are responsible for protecting our young and innocent. Homosexuality is so far removed from child molestation that it really makes me angry that you would try to make any common link between the two. I will say again one has an innocent victim and the other is between consenting ADULTS. You have the right to "dislike" homosexuals, but please stop cheapening the very real damage that child molesters do to children by saying its the same thing. I am sure that if you ask a child who had been molested if they wanted to participate in what happened to them they would tell you no. It's just not the same thing and by saying it over and over just makes you look like either and uncaring, thoughtless animal or an ignorant fool. Which is it?

Did you know that there are those that consider oral sex a sexual perversion? I don't think so but I do wonder where you stand on that issue,seeing as how you seem to be so sure about what constitutes a sexual perversions. I do believe it is against the law in Alabama. It was a few years ago, but I haven't kept up with it so they could have taken that off the books now.
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I guess you also feel that all those people in foreign countries are going to hell because they are not Christians and practice other religions.

Sadly, a lot of the Christian followers do believe that. And I know they will quote every verse to back it up.

WH, you seem to be unable to distinguish what a crime is. Child molestation is a crime, pedophilia is a crime, rape is a crime, murder is a crime.

Homosexuality is NOT a crime, it may be considered a sin by religion, but not a crime.

Genetics studies have shown there is a genetic component to homosexuality, so you would have to say being born is a sin.

As for perversion, that is a matter of one's own view. Is a threesome perversion, how about a stripper, Playboy, Playgirl, thong underwear, see through shirts?

As long as it's not illegal, perversion is in the eye of the beholder.
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How have homosexuals fooled you in the past WH? I'm curious why you made that statement. What does the word underhanded mean to YOU?


Yes, Jan- I'm curious about that statement too. Weird..........
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Just as a Christian believer cannot be possessed by demonic spirit; a Christian believer cannot live a homosexual lifestyle.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


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