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Originally posted by WH:
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Originally posted by StarryNight:
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You say you are not approving of homosexuality...well yes thenagel, you are. And your son will see this.


And I would venture that theangel's son will turn out to be better adjusted than your children WH. Heaven help them growing up with that attitude instilled into them.

What is YOUR obsession with the gay thing?


My children are grown women. They have given me 4 absolutely wonderful grandchildren...something his son wont be able to do if he goes homosexual. Hie sons life will be cut by twenty years, he will be exposed to more diseases. He will be greatly more likely to commit suicide. Why would he not want his son to be made aware of this?


To a child your words say one thing...your actions says it ALL.


I have 2 grown sons and 1 grandchild. My boys were raised with alot of the same ideals and morals that thenagel is raising his son with. My 2 are heterosexuals. I have a couple of homosexual friends that they spent time with as small children and teens. I have a cousin that is homosexual and very close to my family. If my son's had been born homosexual the only fear I would have would be from people like you making their lives difficult and making them feel like they were less than a man because of their sexual orientation.

You talk about high suicide rates in homosexuals. That is true. You should look at the reason why the numbers are high. It is usually young people and in most cases they are either from a very homophobic families and they fear loosing them or displeasing them or they have been picked on and bullied by homophobic classmates to the point of desperation.

I taught my son's to respect others rights to live their lives as they choose. To not mistreat those that are different from them. I am proud of the men they have become and I am proud to say they also have gay friends and my oldest even has one of his gay friends babysit his son on occasion.

I think you were the one that posted the question about more than one wife? I say if all involved are consenting adults that haven't been forced into the situation then by all means have 100!

When this country starts paying attention to whats really going wrong in this country and not what 2 consenting people do in there bedroom we might see this country be all it should be.

My husband is very heterosexual and he could care less what other men do. Why do you care so much? You say its not about god or country...so.....tell us again about men entering other men. You seem to have thought about it quite abit. I see you made no mention of homosexual women...
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Originally posted by WH:
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Originally posted by b50m:
When you get pass the 'Judge not lest ye be judged', we can discuss it.

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1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.



YOU can go around condemning people all day, I prefer to offer a kind ear and let God do the rest.


B50...what would you say to a child molester?


Are you seriously equating a child molester to homosexuals? Child molestation has an innocent victim. The child. Homosexuals are mutual consenting individuals. Children being forced to have sex with ANY gender is a crime as it should be. What is wrong with you? Do you really think its the same thing?
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Originally posted by WH:

All men may be created equal, its what happens after creation that counts. Why you brought this up behooves me...it is neither here nor there with our discussion.

i disagree. i treat people with equality, and that peice of paper is one of the reasons why. not the only reason, and not even the main reason, but a contributing factor.


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Yes I think sexual perversion is real. Now you are trying to insert "hate' into the discussion, please don't be dishonest. Where did I say I hated them?


sorry. was just going on the things you've posted and the way you've phrased things in the past. perhaps i was wrong.

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I can only go by what you are posting. It sure appears you are in support of homosexuality, at least your postings dictate as much. To make it simple, I will ask...are you in support of homosexuality?


i'm neither supportive of, nor against homosexuality.
i'm really pretty neutral about it. truly, i don't spend any time out of my day contempating homosexuality until i come here and see you and bill gray obsessing about it. i think it's possible you two spend more time thinking about gay men than most of the gay men that i know.
to me, the fact that they are gay isn't important. it just isn't a factor that i consider important.

when the subject is brought up, like now, then i have to say that i do believe that the line in the bible about for man to lie with a man is pretty explicit and i can't really see a way to wiggle around with it to make it mean anything other than what it says. but then , that's an issue between the gay man and God. i don't have a place in that conversation, and i won't pretend to.


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Actually I think you expecting me to accept homosexuality as right is arrogant, and quite frankly sad, very sad that our country has come to this. As a straight man myself, what would your opinion be if I wanted to have a few more wives?


to answer the question first, my opinion would be that if you're crazy enough to want more than one, go right ahead. you might want to pick someplace else to live, tho, cause that's frowned on in this country. it's not my place to tell soemone else how to live their lives, whether i agree with it or not.

to reply to the other bit, i never asked you to accept anything, let alone expect. i don't really care any more about what you accept than i do about homosexuality. you're pretty much even with gay men in my book. what did irk me was that you seemed to be trying to tell me to make sure i raise my children as judgemental bigots, and that if i didn't i'm a horrible parent. that was a bit annoying, at first. but then i remembered who i was talking to, and was just amused instead.
You beat me to it Jank.

That 'child molester' is a pedophile. A pedophile is NOT a rational thinking individual. A pedophile may be heterosexual as well as homosexual.


What would I say to one? 50 years, no parole.

As for the case of homosexuals, WH, you and Bill make a great pair. You judge them, pass sentence and hang them all in one swoop. Then you brag about how great a Christian you are.


You're enough to make a Christian feel disgusted. I can only pray for people to understand that not all religious people behave or think like you two.
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Originally posted by WH:
something his son wont be able to do if he goes homosexual. Hie sons life will be cut by twenty years, he will be exposed to more diseases. He will be greatly more likely to commit suicide. Why would he not want his son to be made aware of this?


ROFL.
because, unlike you, i don't believe that someone can 'go homosexual'. i believe that either a person is or is not gay.
i understand that you think gay spreads by contact, but i can't help that. maybe you believe that elvis is still alive as well. i can't help what silly things you believe.
but i cna make sure my children aren't raised believe the same silly things that your kids were. i can only hope that as they grew up they learned that their father was a loon and have dismissed a lot of the crap you probably fed to them as gospel.

some of the stats you listed have soem truth to them, especailly the one about suicide. have you considered why it might be? could it be because frightend, confused young men and women unsure of themselves and their feelings are persecuted and harassed and made to feel abnormal and hated by people liek you. they are made to feel they have no worth and no place in this world by people liek you.

my son is aware of things like that - that bullies can make people feel so bad about themselves that they would rather die that face another day of it. he is aware that bullies come in all shapes sizes and ages. he is also aware that the one key thing that 90% of all bullies have in common is that they feel like outsiders and and freaks themselves, so they torture others to make themselves feel bigger, better, and more important.
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Originally posted by b50m:
Just read the link. Lots of 'certifiable' research in that. No mention of anyone using condoms. AIDS came from monkeys. Want to take a stab at that one WH?

Hi B50,

Ground zero for AIDS, i.e., the first recognized, known, and recorded case of AIDS was a European Male Flight Attendant (I believe he was from the Netherlands) who was frequenting gay bars and bath houses in San Francisco. This is well documented.

Now, he may have played with monkeys in his travels -- but, he is the Ground Zero AIDS case for medical purposes.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
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Originally posted by WH:
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Originally posted by b50m:
When you get pass the 'Judge not lest ye be judged', we can discuss it.

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1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.



YOU can go around condemning people all day, I prefer to offer a kind ear and let God do the rest.


B50...what would you say to a child molester?


Are you seriously equating a child molester to homosexuals? Child molestation has an innocent victim. The child. Homosexuals are mutual consenting individuals. Children being forced to have sex with ANY gender is a crime as it should be. What is wrong with you? Do you really think its the same thing?



Both are a form of sexual perversion.

Here is a good read for you.
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Originally posted by b50m:
You beat me to it Jank.

That 'child molester' is a pedophile. A pedophile is NOT a rational thinking individual. A pedophile may be heterosexual as well as homosexual.


What would I say to one? 50 years, no parole.

As for the case of homosexuals, WH, you and Bill make a great pair. You judge them, pass sentence and hang them all in one swoop. Then you brag about how great a Christian you are.


You're enough to make a Christian feel disgusted. I can only pray for people to understand that not all religious people behave or think like you two.



Oh, I sure thought you made this statement...

"The Bible says to hate the sin, not the sinner. I don't judge and I don't pretend to have the authority to do so."



BTW...I am not a Christian and have never claimed to be.
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i disagree. i treat people with equality, and that peice of paper is one of the reasons why. not the only reason, and not even the main reason, but a contributing factor.



Absolutely laughable. Your morals are determined by what someone else says? I make my own decisions, no one tells me how I should think.


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sorry. was just going on the things you've posted and the way you've phrased things in the past. perhaps i was wrong.


Actually, you got caught being dishonest. The quote feature is alive and well.


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i'm neither supportive of, nor against homosexuality.
i'm really pretty neutral about it. truly, i don't spend any time out of my day contempating homosexuality until i come here and see you and bill gray obsessing about it. i think it's possible you two spend more time thinking about gay men than most of the gay men that i know.
to me, the fact that they are gay isn't important. it just isn't a factor that i consider important.

when the subject is brought up, like now, then i have to say that i do believe that the line in the bible about for man to lie with a man is pretty explicit and i can't really see a way to wiggle around with it to make it mean anything other than what it says. but then , that's an issue between the gay man and God. i don't have a place in that conversation, and i won't pretend to.


Well you were the one that brought God and the bible into this, not me. I could care less what the bible says...why you keep referring to this is beyond me.

Yes thenagel...you are supporting homosexuality. I have never seen a liberal that would admit what they are doing. Why do you think you have a right to condemn me for my views?

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to answer the question first, my opinion would be that if you're crazy enough to want more than one, go right ahead. you might want to pick someplace else to live, tho, cause that's frowned on in this country. it's not my place to tell soemone else how to live their lives, whether i agree with it or not.

to reply to the other bit, i never asked you to accept anything, let alone expect. i don't really care any more about what you accept than i do about homosexuality. you're pretty much even with gay men in my book. what did irk me was that you seemed to be trying to tell me to make sure i raise my children as judgemental bigots, and that if i didn't i'm a horrible parent. that was a bit annoying, at first. but then i remembered who i was talking to, and was just amused instead.


Oh...I see...homosexuality IS NOT frowned upon in this country...is that what you think? You brought your son into this...not me. This statement from you is really the kicker...

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it's not my place to tell soemone else how to live their lives, whether i agree with it or not.



Why are trying to tell me how to live my life then? You my friend are a liberal hypocrite. Any time you feel like it you can retract the lie you have perpetrated on me with the "HATE" references. I doubt you are man enough to do that though.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by b50m:
Just read the link. Lots of 'certifiable' research in that. No mention of anyone using condoms. AIDS came from monkeys. Want to take a stab at that one WH?

Hi B50,

Ground zero for AIDS, i.e., the first recognized, known, and recorded case of AIDS was a European Male Flight Attendant (I believe he was from the Netherlands) who was frequenting gay bars and bath houses in San Francisco. This is well documented.

Now, he may have played with monkeys in his travels -- but, he is the Ground Zero AIDS case for medical purposes.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Try again Bill.


What type of virus is HIV?

HIV is a lentivirus, and like all viruses of this type, it attacks the immune system. Lentiviruses are in turn part of a larger group of viruses known as retroviruses. The name 'lentivirus' literally means 'slow virus' because they take such a long time to produce any adverse effects in the body. They have been found in a number of different animals, including cats, sheep, horses and cattle. However, the most interesting lentivirus in terms of the investigation into the origins of HIV is the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV) that affects monkeys.
So did HIV come from an SIV?
It is now thought that HIV came from a similar virus found in chimpanzees.

It is now generally accepted that HIV is a descendant of a Simian Immunodeficiency Virus because certain strains of SIVs bear a very close resemblance to HIV-1 and HIV-2, the two types of HIV.

HIV-2 for example corresponds to SIVsm, a strain of the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus found in the sooty mangabey (also known as the White-collared monkey), which is indigenous to western Africa.

The more virulent, pandemic strain of HIV, namely HIV-1, was until recently more difficult to place. Until 1999, the closest counterpart that had been identified was SIVcpz, the SIV found in chimpanzees. However, this virus still had certain significant differences from HIV.
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Originally posted by WH:
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Originally posted by b50m:
You beat me to it Jank.

That 'child molester' is a pedophile. A pedophile is NOT a rational thinking individual. A pedophile may be heterosexual as well as homosexual.


What would I say to one? 50 years, no parole.

As for the case of homosexuals, WH, you and Bill make a great pair. You judge them, pass sentence and hang them all in one swoop. Then you brag about how great a Christian you are.


You're enough to make a Christian feel disgusted. I can only pray for people to understand that not all religious people behave or think like you two.



Oh, I sure thought you made this statement...

"The Bible says to hate the sin, not the sinner. I don't judge and I don't pretend to have the authority to do so."



BTW...I am not a Christian and have never claimed to be.


I am not judging your purpose in life and whether you will have an eternity in Heaven or Hell, I am making the statement that your views disgust me, just like any racist disgust me.
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Originally posted by WH:
@ jankinonya...



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I taught my son's to respect others rights to live their lives as they choose.



Tell me then...why can't I live my life as I want?

As for the rest of your homosexual support...your sons just may not be all you think...you are who you associate with.


No one is stopping you from living your life as you want.....unless that means taking rights away from other American's. Then we got a problem.

My sons are wonderful men. I am proud of them in every way. If they had been homosexual that would have been fine with me. They know that and would have no reason to hide it from me. You don't catch homosexuality like a cold for goodness sake. If so we all would be. I am sure even you have came in contact with one in your life time, whether you knew it or not. What about yours...do you think with the attitude you have towards people who are different (or so you say) than you that your daughters would feel they could tell you something like "I am a lesbian"..? I seriously doubt it.

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