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OK, here is my problem with your assesment that Unemployment is "insurance".  First we all agree that you are going to get more out of it thanwhat you paid it.  Second you say "take advantage of every government entitlement that you can".

Then you go on to compare the government and the insurance company.

The Insurance company that insures my house is a private collective made up of people who pay into the collective, the company manages the money, invests it and has to make a profit in order to stay in business, in order to pay me for my investment.

The government is using a similar model, except they are making it mandatory. Second they do not regulate who can and cannot apply.  They will accept even the worst bum out there, obviously a high risk pool.  The money in that pool is collected from others who obviously cannot control their investment choices, therefore the "bum" is living off of those who do not necessarily want to invest in that risk.

Taking advantage of every govenrment entitlement, as you suggest, is the problem we have now.  I too am self employed and you can bet ****ned sure that portions of my taxes (ie, self employment tax) go to fund those unemployment checks, which I would never qualify for.  Too many of American businesses (small) are in the same situation and they have no one to fall back on, yet some of their employees can go down and draw a check for almost two years, while there are jobs out to tbe taken.  of course most of those deadbeats, that are able to work but will not do so, are holding out for administrative positions.....that is why we will never climb back out of the hole we have dug for ourselves.  We have given too much to too many for too long.

 

Originally Posted by interventor1212:

I have never seen more tools available to young people to make a success of themselves.  With the internet and all the related high tech toys, I see so many niches that might be filled.

 

Unfortunately, I also see a mind set among some that limit them. And, a government that seems bound and determined to ensure no one gets ahead. 

AlObamas high school graduation rate is about 65%, so there will always be a need for jobs with minimal training.

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

You can cancel your unemployment insurance by joining me in the ranks of the self-employed.

 

My point is, use every bit of the government benefits that you are entitled too. 

 

The topic is temporary farm work that traditionally has been done by migrant workers, so the possibility of getting a full-time position is ZERO!!!

 

"Since insurance "works" by paying out more than you pay in (according to you), I guess my home, health, and auto insurers owe me a lot of money."

How would an insurance business model work that requires the beneficiaries to pay in more than they stand to receive as compensation for their loss??? That how the Sopranos Insurance company would work. So, yes, I would assume that your home owners insurance would pay you much more than merely the premiums you paid in if your home was destroyed by a tornado.  Most policies even have automatic increases for home appreciation!!!  Do you understand how compound interest works and that a retirement fund has more value than merely the contributions you made?

 

 


You are in no way prohibitted from paying into unemployment tax by being self employed.  Been there done that, just incorporate.  If you choose not to pay in, you in most cases may also not collect later.

 

You now say "stand to receive", not receive.  No question, insurance is for a catastrophe, not minor setbacks.  Have you ever turned in a $600 car dent?  Probably not.  Eat the $600 and move on, because it will cost you more than $600 when all is said and done.  Why not get the $600 now, you are entitled to it?  No you are smarter than that aren't you, so am I.  I am saving it for the big wreck, yet I hope I don't ever have it.

 

If you want to beat your health insurance company out of their money that you paid in, just get cancer, and you win.  Again, hoping it doesn't happen, but glad I have the insurance if it does.

 

Want to beat out the "unemployment insurance (tax)", draw your 99 weeks NOW, rather than work a job that pays the same.  Don't save ANY of those 99 tokens for future catastrophic use.  I say use them before your 25th birthday and then work for 40 more years (fingers crossed) knowing you beat the system early on.  Turn in that $600 dent in your car and "reap" your entitlement.

 

I find it ironic you defend a system that you voluntarily choose to circumvent paying into.  I guess you know what is good for me.  Kinda makes you like our past Congress, pass a healthcare bill that just wasn't quite good enough for them of course.  But then again, they know what is best for me too.

 

Don't bother telling me you can't pay FUTA & SUTA because you are self employed, you can and yes I KNOW because I opted to pay it from the beginning when I was self employed.  Stop encouraging milking the system for all its' worth and start encouraging responsibility, ethics, morality, etc.  

Originally Posted by The Propagandist:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

You're the ones with all the answers.  Or, did the the xenophobes pass a law without having a thorough understanding of the implications???  WHat will the implications of removing a few billion dollars from the Georgia economy?...and perhaps the same from the AlObama economy???...will having fewer illegals make life better or worse for middle class AlObamians???

 

I'm pretty sure that using prisoners for private business operations is completely illegal, and has been for 100 years.  I love it when a Repub plan comes together!!!!!!

 

On the contrary, the use of prison labor is widespread.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...ngCheap-Prison-Labor

 

What companies take advantage of prison labor?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...orting-those-who-are

 

 

 At least 37 states have legalized the contracting of prison labor by private corporations that mount their operations inside state prisons. The list of such companies contains the cream of U.S. corporate society: IBM, Boeing, Motorola, Microsoft, AT&T, Wireless, Texas Instrument, Dell, Compaq, Honeywell, Hewlett-Packard, Nortel, Lucent Technologies, 3Com, Intel, Northern Telecom, TWA, Nordstrom's, Revlon, Macy's, Pierre Cardin, Target Stores, and many more. All of these businesses are excited about the economic boom generation by prison labor. Just between 1980 and 1994, profits went up from $392 million to $1.31 billion. Inmates in state penitentiaries generally receive the minimum wage for their work, but not all; in Colorado, they get about $2 per hour, well under the minimum. And in privately-run prisons, they receive as little as 17 cents per hour for a maximum of six hours a day, the equivalent of $20 per month. The highest-paying private prison is CCA in Tennessee, where prisoners receive 50 cents per hour for what they call "highly skilled positions." At those rates, it is no surprise that inmates find the pay in federal prisons to be very generous. There, they can earn $1.25 an hour and work eight hours a day, and sometimes overtime. They can send home $200-$300 per month.

 

Thanks to prison labor, the United States is once again an attractive location for investment in work that was designed for Third World labor markets. A company that operated a maquiladora (assembly plant in Mexico near the border) closed down its operations there and relocated to San Quentin State Prison in California. In Texas, a factory fired its 150 workers and contracted the services of prisoner-workers from the private Lockhart Texas prison, where circuit boards are assembled for companies like IBM and Compaq.

 

[Former] Oregon State Representative Kevin Mannix recently urged Nike to cut its production in Indonesia and bring it to his state, telling the shoe manufacturer that "there won't be any transportation costs; we're offering you competitive prison labor (here)."

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8289

 

 

 

 


 

 

Originally Posted by The Propagandist:
Originally Posted by Jennifer:

Propagandist-Now post pictures of all the white people that worked in the fields right along with the blacks. Believe me, there were plenty.


Don't you have any? Always leaving up to me to run down your information requests. I'm going to start charging for the service.

 

 Gotta make up for Republican budget cuts somehow.

 

Originally Posted by The Propagandist:
Originally Posted by The Propagandist:
Originally Posted by Jennifer:

Propagandist-Now post pictures of all the white people that worked in the fields right along with the blacks. Believe me, there were plenty.


Don't you have any? Always leaving up to me to run down your information requests. I'm going to start charging for the service.

 

 Gotta make up for Republican budget cuts somehow.

 

So, you depend upon the government?  If social security, that's OK. 

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