Hey, that was fun to watch, I seen it last night at the 10pm showing...

I can see both sides of the story here, Geraldo's by saying that just because he was a drunk man didn't have anything to do with illegal and that it could have been anybody. And O'Reilly's point was that if he wasn't breaking the law he would have been back in his native country. O'Reilly needs to seperate the two and find stories that can be tied only to Illegals and not turn everything into an illegal needing deporting every time.

I love Geraldo how he stands his ground and doesn't let O'Reilly bully him.
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Originally posted by interventor:
Yes, we need to control our borders. But, this was a cat fight between two media wh0rez! Fun to watch.

there would not have been a fight, if O'Reilly had not be so stupid as to try to make Drunk Driving About Illegal Immigration. Tourists don't get deported for being drunk. If they did Las Vegas would be empty.
One who post and EdKit, you are an idiot as is Geraldo! O'Reilly is correct and the left wing, open borders Geraldo is wrong. As more criminal aliens cross the border the more dangerous it will become for us. We have an estimated 20 million criminal aliens in the USA and it is scary ! We don't need idiots like Geraldo and you rationalizing for them.

The director of the movie " A Chrsitmas Story " was also killed by an illegal alien's reckless driving recently.

Your idiot president Bush and the rest of or crooked government has recently made it legal for Mexican trucks to run or streets and highways unchecked. We are living in dangerous times!

When you sling the term BIGOT or RACIST you show your ignorance.
I just watched this clip last night. First off I tend to lean toward the "right" and I have always voted Republican. However I agree with Geraldo; this had nothing to do with his citizenship status. It had everything to do with a person drinking too much and getting behind the wheel.

Geraldo had mentioned that the Commonwealth of Virginia had 372 DUI fatalities last year. Why weren't those mentioned?

Well I believe the reason is: that it doesn't sell. Those other people and there fmailies suffered and died just the same no matter who was behind the wheel.

But their stories won't sell the papers like an illegal immigrant's will.

That's my story and I'm sticking too it...
When a mexican hit my daghters car we were told by florence police theres nothing he could do not even a ticket for leaving the wreck then he was sueing us luckly he got busted for pounds of cocaine an pot befor it came to a head.just lucky he's got biger fish to fry now.
This will be a first, but I agree with O'Reilly to some extent. I don't believe he was saying the Mexican should have been deported because he was DUI, I think he meant he should have been deported after the first encounter with the police when they found him to be ILLEGAL. That is what Geraldo didn't get. I understand that Bill tries to spin everything his way, but his point was valid on this. Yes, those girls could have been killed by another drunk driver, but if this illegal alien had been deported when he was found to be illegal, they would not have been killed by this drunk driver.
Lets see if I have this right...illegals don`t need a license to drive,don`t need insurance coverage,can`t be arrested for any laws broken..can get Social Security benefits, free health care,free public education..live 15-20 in a home..what is the normal,law abiding citizens to do? Answer..nothing! Bush(whom I voterd for)and the congress have no gonads to do anything. Side story..had a friend whose 18 year old son was hit by an illegal that ran a stop sign...totaled his car..the illegal ran away, his car had no tag, and the police says there is nothing they can do..so folks, just get use to it...
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Originally posted by one who posts:
I love to see O'Reilly put in his place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLPuGuaZTx8


I didn't see the actual show, just excerpts from it... and from what I saw, O'Reilly needs to go home wiff his widdle tail between his widdle legs!!!

Geraldo busted him bad....

Now, do NOT confuse this statement with that I AGREED with Geraldo, I DID NOT, on almost everything he busted O'Reilly's chops with... but my respect factor went UP for him, because O'Reilly FINALLY saw he was not God! lol
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Originally posted by walter096:
Lets see if I have this right...illegals don`t need a license to drive,don`t need insurance coverage,can`t be arrested for any laws broken..can get Social Security benefits, free health care,free public education..live 15-20 in a home..what is the normal,law abiding citizens to do? Answer..nothing! Bush(whom I voterd for)and the congress have no gonads to do anything. Side story..had a friend whose 18 year old son was hit by an illegal that ran a stop sign...totaled his car..the illegal ran away, his car had no tag, and the police says there is nothing they can do..so folks, just get use to it...
Do need a license to drive, issued by their country of residence. Are required to have insurance to register cars, and may register the car in their country of residence. Can only get social security benefits if they have valid social security accounts (and can't get such a thing if they are illegals) You can live in a house with 15 or 20 other people if you want. Are Arrested for laws broken, and can be deported for all manner of violations that would not even appear on your record.
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Originally posted by usmc35630:
I just watched this clip last night. First off I tend to lean toward the "right" and I have always voted Republican. However I agree with Geraldo; this had nothing to do with his citizenship status. It had everything to do with a person drinking too much and getting behind the wheel.

Geraldo had mentioned that the Commonwealth of Virginia had 372 DUI fatalities last year. Why weren't those mentioned?

Well I believe the reason is: that it doesn't sell. Those other people and there fmailies suffered and died just the same no matter who was behind the wheel.

But their stories won't sell the papers like an illegal immigrant's will.

That's my story and I'm sticking too it...
Right on USMC. The issue is not the status of the driver, it's the level of intoxication.
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Originally posted by walter096:
Lets see if I have this right...illegals don`t need a license to drive,don`t need insurance coverage,can`t be arrested for any laws broken..can get Social Security benefits, free health care,free public education..live 15-20 in a home..what is the normal,law abiding citizens to do? Answer..nothing! Bush(whom I voterd for)and the congress have no gonads to do anything. Side story..had a friend whose 18 year old son was hit by an illegal that ran a stop sign...totaled his car..the illegal ran away, his car had no tag, and the police says there is nothing they can do..so folks, just get use to it...



Walter, that seems to be what is happening.. Seen any BANK OF AMERICA commercials lately??? They are ADVERTISING (without so many words) that ILLEGALS can open an account, get that SPECIAL Debit Card with their picture on it... which then gives them ID, which then gives them the avenue to get their Drivers Lisence, which THEN gives them the OPTIONS of living 15-20 in a House... ALL the while sending over half of whatever they DO make right here, back to Mexico to take care of their families there...

We have extreme issues going on, and no one has the answers to fix it, IF it CAN be fixed now... Frowner
If you want to talk about bigotry, look no further than Geraldo's statement that illegals commit less crime, per capita, than citizens.

All my data, and I keep up, indicates otherwise.

Our Southern California jails are stuffed with 40%+ illegals, and illegals amount to about 30% of state prison inmates.

Then there's the unreported crime. Same as Alabama, when an illegal is involved in an auto accident, the police do nothing. They could, but it's a lot of work for what they consider a low-priority issue, so they don't.

O'Reilly may have a logical weakness in his argument, but essentially it's true. About half the traffic in So Cal is unlicensed and/or uninsured, many of them illegals. If they weren't here, there would be far fewer accidents and more accountability.

DF
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
If you want to talk about bigotry, look no further than Geraldo's statement that illegals commit less crime, per capita, than citizens.

All my data, and I keep up, indicates otherwise.

Our Southern California jails are stuffed with 40%+ illegals, and illegals amount to about 30% of state prison inmates.

Then there's the unreported crime. Same as Alabama, when an illegal is involved in an auto accident, the police do nothing. They could, but it's a lot of work for what they consider a low-priority issue, so they don't.

O'Reilly may have a logical weakness in his argument, but essentially it's true. About half the traffic in So Cal is unlicensed and/or uninsured, many of them illegals. If they weren't here, there would be far fewer accidents and more accountability.

DF
Deep Fat, you may be correct, but I have tried Googling this, "2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants" I get several dozen blogs, all with this data
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INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers
But, I can find none of it at FBI sites or at the INS site. CAN YOU TELL ME THE PLACE THIS DATA IS STORED?
I suspect someone is cooking the books. Those stats would indicate that at least 20% of the all US residents are illegal immigrants, or that the data is just plain counterfeit. Two of the percentages make sense, the percentage of people in detention centers in Arizona, California and New Mexico, since about that percentage of people are in detention awaiting deportation.

and the uninsured motorist rates in the Same States, since it is widely publicized by their motor vehicle departments that 40% or so of all registered autos are uninsured. Unlicensed drivers are always uninsured. Even if the Car is insured, the insurance is not valid if the owner of the car authorizes its use by an unlicensed driver. Only exception is if the car is stolen and the driver is unlicensed. Then the owner did not authorize the use of the car.

The last number rings about as true as a lead bell with a marshmallow clapper. 2/3rd of all births in California are to illegals, on Medi-Cal? That figure is JUST PLAIN BEYOND BELIEF.
basically it would require that more than half of all California women of child bearing age were illegal immigrants and that virtually NO child was born with private financing.

I DON'T believe those stats are anywhere near the truth. There are lies, Dam* Lies, and Statistics.
Ed,

I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.

2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.

DF
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed,

I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.

2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.

DF
So, you wasted my time by saying "In California," and meaning "in LA County Hospital." There is a difference, LA county hospital is totally government funded. Any Births there that are paid by OTHER than government funds are the exception.

THE DATA SAYS TWO THIRDS OF ALL BIRTHS IN CALIFORNIA, NOT TWO THIRDS OF ALL BIRTHS IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY HOSPITAL.

Are the other statistics COOKED the same way? Is that 48% in detention deliberately distorted to include all those in detention awaiting deportation so that the figure is HUGE?
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71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".


this problem is separate from illegal immigration. It is the result of proximity to the border, and the ease of smuggling stolen cars OUT of the United States. I can leave the USA without even being asked who I am. I can drive a car into Mexico without being inspected by either the Mexicans or the Americans, except for random Mexican Searches for contraband.

I am about to go into the business of importing used cars into Mexico. THE SOURCE OF THE CARS WILL BE LICENSED AND INSPECTED AUCTIONS, WITH FULL TITLE TO THE VEHICLES I BUY. Car theft is not an immigration issue. Neither is Drunk Driving.
"83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens."


I find this one all over the net, but I can't find it in any Phoenix Data Base. And, I can't find a single blog or website that links to a reference for it.

"86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens." Same Here.

"75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens." Same here.

"53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens." This has to be outright lying. The percentage of investigated burglaries that are SOLVED is less than half the percentage attributed to illegal aliens.

Now, let me make up some statical "facts" and you can spread them all over the internet.

75% of all Registered Republicans have less than 500 dollars in savings or investments.

Only 9% of Conservatives practice safe sex.

12% of Bill O'Reilly's audience is Homosexual.

35% of Marine Corps recruits are members of Latino gangs.

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NOTICE, I HAVE NO IDEA IF ANY OF THE ABOVE STATISTICS ARE TRUE, I JUST MADE THEM UP. I WILL DENY THAT THEY ARE BASED ON ANY SCIENTIFIC DATA IF ASKED, AND WILL NOW AND HENCEFORTH CLAIM AND ATTEST THAT THEY ARE FICTIONAL, AND WHOLE CLOTH CREATIONS OF MY FERTILE IMAGINATION.

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Originally posted by Go Nads:
One who post and EdKit, you are an idiot as is Geraldo! O'Reilly is correct and the left wing, open borders Geraldo is wrong. As more criminal aliens cross the border the more dangerous it will become for us. We have an estimated 20 million criminal aliens in the USA and it is scary ! We don't need idiots like Geraldo and you rationalizing for them.

The director of the movie " A Chrsitmas Story " was also killed by an illegal alien's reckless driving recently.

Your idiot president Bush and the rest of or crooked government has recently made it legal for Mexican trucks to run or streets and highways unchecked. We are living in dangerous times!

When you sling the term BIGOT or RACIST you show your ignorance.


Sorry, an overwhelming majority is against you on this one. First, Bush is not my president. Secondly, Geraldo is hardly a leftist. Lastly, I'm not slinging any terms, I am purposefully labelling those who absolutely deserve it. Your position is proof that you, too, deserve the label. We are hardly "rationalizing" criminals, we are surveying the facts and calling them as we see them. If this were about an illegal alien (of any heritage) trying to harm the country using their status, then the discussion would have merit. However, turning the drunk driving offense into an illegal alien politic is as bad as turning soldier funerals into a homosexual politic. Make sense out of that which makes sense, don't politicize so often that you lose touch with facts.
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed,

I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.

2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.

DF
380 thousand plus anchor babies per year. THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF OVER 20 A DAY PER STATE.

It would mean that 5% of all babies born in the USA are born to illegal immigrants.
If 12 million Illegal immigrants are in the USA today, that would mean that EVERY ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE A BABY THIS YEAR. Since 12 million is 4% of the the total US population.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE FANTASIES. THEY ARE NOT ACCURATE.
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Originally posted by Go Nads:
One who post and EdKit, you are an idiot as is Geraldo! O'Reilly is correct and the left wing, open borders Geraldo is wrong. As more criminal aliens cross the border the more dangerous it will become for us. We have an estimated 20 million criminal aliens in the USA and it is scary ! We don't need idiots like Geraldo and you rationalizing for them.

The director of the movie " A Chrsitmas Story " was also killed by an illegal alien's reckless driving recently.

Your idiot president Bush and the rest of or crooked government has recently made it legal for Mexican trucks to run or streets and highways unchecked. We are living in dangerous times!

When you sling the term BIGOT or RACIST you show your ignorance.
The Idiot Bush Administration IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REGULATIONS ALLOWING MEXICAN TRUCKS INTO THE USA. The agreement was reached DECADES AGO.
It has not been implemented because of objections from US and Canadian trucking companies, the AFL/CIO, The Teamsters, and private citizens. The trucks, if allowed to enter the country will be safety inspected, the drivers will be required to operate under US hours of service regulations. Weight limits will be enforced, Road Use Taxes will be collected, and the drivers will be required to meet licensing standards imposed by the US Department of transportation.
THERE ARE STILL OBJECTIONS.
Canadian drivers, some of whom are French Speaking Quebec residents, are now and have been allowed entry into the US for Decades.
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
If you want to talk about bigotry, look no further than Geraldo's statement that illegals commit less crime, per capita, than citizens.

All my data, and I keep up, indicates otherwise.

Our Southern California jails are stuffed with 40%+ illegals, and illegals amount to about 30% of state prison inmates.

Then there's the unreported crime. Same as Alabama, when an illegal is involved in an auto accident, the police do nothing. They could, but it's a lot of work for what they consider a low-priority issue, so they don't.

O'Reilly may have a logical weakness in his argument, but essentially it's true. About half the traffic in So Cal is unlicensed and/or uninsured, many of them illegals. If they weren't here, there would be far fewer accidents and more accountability.

DF
NOTE: A Mexican tourist, who flies from Mexico City to Orlando Florida, and rents a car, must have a valid Mexican, or International drivers license. He is permitted to drive, and be in the USA as a tourist. ANY Mexican who enters the USA through a port of entry, either by ground transportation, including his own personal car or by Sea or Air, Unless he is found to be in possession of a PAYROLL CHECK with his name on it the act of driving a private car does not indicate he is in the country illegally.
Mexican Citizens, like American Citizens, are not required to carry proof of Citizenship.
However,
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Citizens and permanent residents of Mexico generally must have a nonimmigrant visa or Border Crossing Card (also known as a "Laser Visa"). The Border Crossing Card, Form DSP-150 is a biometric, machine readable, visitor B1-B2 visa/Border Crossing Card that may be used to enter the U.S. from within the Western Hemisphere. http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1260.html

You are correct that issuing a standard driver's license to non resident Mexican Citizens would make it more difficult to check credentials. Because presentation of a valid US driver's license would not identify a foreign national. However, the simple expedient of LABELING THE LICENSE AS A NON RESIDENT ALIEN LICENSE SOLVES THAT PROBLEM.
You may be correct in assuming that police officers don't bother with the necessary paperwork. That is not the responsibility of the Federal Government, it is the responsibility of the police officer.
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Originally posted by country:
When a mexican hit my daghters car we were told by florence police theres nothing he could do not even a ticket for leaving the wreck then he was sueing us luckly he got busted for pounds of cocaine an pot befor it came to a head.just lucky he's got biger fish to fry now.


If the ticket wouldn't have worked, then I doubt he could have successfully sued you.
Ed, you wrote
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So, you wasted my time by saying "In California," and meaning "in LA County Hospital." There is a difference, LA county hospital is totally government funded.


Are you talking to me? I believe you'll find that it was you who brought the INS/FBI statistics to the discussion.

DF
All O'Reilly is, is the ENQUIRER Talk show host of Fox... he is a bigot, a racist, a jerk, an idiot, and he PRETENDS to show BOTH sides.... WRONG, if he DOES in fact have someone on his show on the side he DON'T believe in, he don't let them talk... so why does he even bother???

Does he think Americans are TOO dumb to see him for what he is??? lolololol
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Originally posted by one who posts:
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Originally posted by Go Nads:
One who post and EdKit, you are an idiot as is Geraldo! O'Reilly is correct and the left wing, open borders Geraldo is wrong. As more criminal aliens cross the border the more dangerous it will become for us. We have an estimated 20 million criminal aliens in the USA and it is scary ! We don't need idiots like Geraldo and you rationalizing for them.

The director of the movie " A Chrsitmas Story " was also killed by an illegal alien's reckless driving recently.

Your idiot president Bush and the rest of or crooked government has recently made it legal for Mexican trucks to run or streets and highways unchecked. We are living in dangerous times!

When you sling the term BIGOT or RACIST you show your ignorance.


Sorry, an overwhelming majority is against you on this one. First, Bush is not my president. Secondly, Geraldo is hardly a leftist. Lastly, I'm not slinging any terms, I am purposefully labelling those who absolutely deserve it. Your position is proof that you, too, deserve the label. We are hardly "rationalizing" criminals, we are surveying the facts and calling them as we see them. If this were about an illegal alien (of any heritage) trying to harm the country using their status, then the discussion would have merit. However, turning the drunk driving offense into an illegal alien politic is as bad as turning soldier funerals into a homosexual politic. Make sense out of that which makes sense, don't politicize so often that you lose touch with facts.



Good Come Back!!!!
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed,

I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.

2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.

DF
380 thousand plus anchor babies per year. THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF OVER 20 A DAY PER STATE.

It would mean that 5% of all babies born in the USA are born to illegal immigrants.
If 12 million Illegal immigrants are in the USA today, that would mean that EVERY ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE A BABY THIS YEAR. Since 12 million is 4% of the the total US population.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE FANTASIES. THEY ARE NOT ACCURATE.


Ed, this looks like something PBA would come up with. Wink

First of all, last year it is estimated that there were approximately 4.2 million births in th US. So the percentage of anchor babies is more like 9%. This is where you went wrong, transposing percentages does not work. While it's true that 12 million illegals is approximately 4% of the total US population, all this means is 12 million illegals accounted for 380,000 births. Or 4% of the population accounted for 9% of the births. I don't find that so hard to believe. Roll Eyes

As you stated in another thread: WHEN YOU LEARN ARITHMETIC, call me.
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed,

I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.

2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.

DF
380 thousand plus anchor babies per year. THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF OVER 20 A DAY PER STATE.

It would mean that 5% of all babies born in the USA are born to illegal immigrants.
If 12 million Illegal immigrants are in the USA today, that would mean that EVERY ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE A BABY THIS YEAR. Since 12 million is 4% of the the total US population.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE FANTASIES. THEY ARE NOT ACCURATE.


Ed, this looks like something PBA would come up with. Wink

First of all, last year it is estimated that there were approximately 4.2 million births in th US. So the percentage of anchor babies is more like 9%. This is where you went wrong, transposing percentages does not work. While it's true that 12 million illegals is approximately 4% of the total US population, all this means is 12 million illegals accounted for 380,000 births. Or 4% of the population accounted for 9% of the births. I don't find that so hard to believe. Roll Eyes

As you stated in another thread: WHEN YOU LEARN ARITHMETIC, call me.
I am going to surrender. You have me on the Arithmetic quote. Your figures indicate a birthrate of over 31 per thousand among all illegals. Common wisdom says the vast majority of illegals are men. I absolutely will not accept that 380 thousand figure as correct. It is exaggerated. But it is not the issue.
World Net daily says 12 Americans a day are murdered by illegal Aliens. I think that figure is also exaggerated.
THE ISSUE in this thread is whether DUI was the crime in that traffic fatality, or Illegal Presence in the USA.
In 2005 nearly 17 thousand people died in the US in Alcohol Related highway crashes. That is 39% of all traffic deaths. If 9% of the total population is illegal, and we removed them all from the US, the effect on alcohol related deaths on the highway would be minimal. The highway fatality number would get reduced, by 1,500. Unless you want to argue that Illegals are also predominantly heavy drinkers, and that they ALL drive.
There is a solution. Make DUI a felony, Indict every Drunk Driver, Hold them for trial on a high bail, say 100 thousand dollars. Convict them, imprison them, deport the non citizen to his place of birth on completion of sentence. Make it a 20 year felony to re enter the country after deportation. Pay for the prison cells this would require, or make room for the Drunks by turning someone loose who was convicted of a less offensive crime.
If you wish to argue the anchor baby issue, start a thread.
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed, you wrote
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So, you wasted my time by saying "In California," and meaning "in LA County Hospital." There is a difference, LA county hospital is totally government funded.


Are you talking to me? I believe you'll find that it was you who brought the INS/FBI statistics to the discussion.

DF
I did, and if you read the conclusion I came to, after trying to find the Government published Stats, You would see that I seriously doubt the accuracy of the quoted statistics. THERE IS A PROBLEMO. It will not be solved with inaccurate information being used to make arguments seem reasonable.

THERE ARE SOLUTIONS.

One, PENALIZE EMPLOYERS. Make the penalty SO HARD THEY ARE DISCOURAGED FROM HIRING WITHOUT CONFIRMATION.
Two, Make it easy to confirm. Simple data base, You have a social security number presented by a prospective employee. Make it possible to enter the name, date of birth, and gender of the applicant. Return a result. that says yea or nay. Example. Jose Garcia, 593 XX XXXX DOB 5/7/81. Male. The employer goes to either a telephone or computer, enters that data, and the response says "That Person Matches the SS number on file" Or it says "That Person DOES NOT match the SS number on file." No personal information regarding FALSE social security numbers is transmitted, and TRUE social security numbers are confirmed. Add a confirmation number to the response. REQUIRE that number to be written down on the employment application. PROBLEM SOLVED.
Allow, or require, the employer to do this before issuing any paycheck. Require that any attempt to gain employment with a falsified SS card be reported. Cross reference the inquiries with the reporting of fraudulent numbers. Penalize failure to inquire, and failure to report.
Three, ENFORCE EXISTING LAW. When an investigation or raid finds illegally employed people, JAIL THE PERSONNEL MANAGER.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed,

I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.

2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.

DF
380 thousand plus anchor babies per year. THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF OVER 20 A DAY PER STATE.

It would mean that 5% of all babies born in the USA are born to illegal immigrants.
If 12 million Illegal immigrants are in the USA today, that would mean that EVERY ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE A BABY THIS YEAR. Since 12 million is 4% of the the total US population.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE FANTASIES. THEY ARE NOT ACCURATE.


Ed, this looks like something PBA would come up with. Wink

First of all, last year it is estimated that there were approximately 4.2 million births in th US. So the percentage of anchor babies is more like 9%. This is where you went wrong, transposing percentages does not work. While it's true that 12 million illegals is approximately 4% of the total US population, all this means is 12 million illegals accounted for 380,000 births. Or 4% of the population accounted for 9% of the births. I don't find that so hard to believe. Roll Eyes

As you stated in another thread: WHEN YOU LEARN ARITHMETIC, call me.
I am going to surrender. You have me on the Arithmetic quote. Your figures indicate a birthrate of over 31 per thousand among all illegals. Common wisdom says the vast majority of illegals are men. I absolutely will not accept that 380 thousand figure as correct. It is exaggerated. But it is not the issue.
World Net daily says 12 Americans a day are murdered by illegal Aliens. I think that figure is also exaggerated.
THE ISSUE in this thread is whether DUI was the crime in that traffic fatality, or Illegal Presence in the USA.
In 2005 nearly 17 thousand people died in the US in Alcohol Related highway crashes. That is 39% of all traffic deaths. If 9% of the total population is illegal, and we removed them all from the US, the effect on alcohol related deaths on the highway would be minimal. The highway fatality number would get reduced, by 1,500. Unless you want to argue that Illegals are also predominantly heavy drinkers, and that they ALL drive.
There is a solution. Make DUI a felony, Indict every Drunk Driver, Hold them for trial on a high bail, say 100 thousand dollars. Convict them, imprison them, deport the non citizen to his place of birth on completion of sentence. Make it a 20 year felony to re enter the country after deportation. Pay for the prison cells this would require, or make room for the Drunks by turning someone loose who was convicted of a less offensive crime.
If you wish to argue the anchor baby issue, start a thread.


First of all, these are not my figures and I'm not arguing the anchor baby issue. I was just pointing out the bogus math you used to proclaim these figures a fantasy and inaccurate. You can chose to believe them or not, whatever floats your boat.
Secondly if the issue of this thread is whether the crime was DUI or illegal presence, if the immigration laws had been enforced there wouldn't have been a DUI.
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if the immigration laws had been enforced there wouldn't have been a DUI.


Sorry. There is no way in heaven or hell that you could prove that. There is no fool proof, 100% border plan.


True, but the chances of him coming back may have been reduced. If the immigration laws plus the laws forbidding employers form employing criminal aliens were being enforced it would not have happened.

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