I love to see O'Reilly put in his place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLPuGuaZTx8
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Hey, that was fun to watch, I seen it last night at the 10pm showing...
I can see both sides of the story here, Geraldo's by saying that just because he was a drunk man didn't have anything to do with illegal and that it could have been anybody. And O'Reilly's point was that if he wasn't breaking the law he would have been back in his native country. O'Reilly needs to seperate the two and find stories that can be tied only to Illegals and not turn everything into an illegal needing deporting every time.
I love Geraldo how he stands his ground and doesn't let O'Reilly bully him.
I can see both sides of the story here, Geraldo's by saying that just because he was a drunk man didn't have anything to do with illegal and that it could have been anybody. And O'Reilly's point was that if he wasn't breaking the law he would have been back in his native country. O'Reilly needs to seperate the two and find stories that can be tied only to Illegals and not turn everything into an illegal needing deporting every time.
I love Geraldo how he stands his ground and doesn't let O'Reilly bully him.
Well said!
Yes, we need to control our borders. But, this was a cat fight between two media wh0rez! Fun to watch.
quote:Originally posted by one who posts:
I love to see O'Reilly put in his place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLPuGuaZTx8
Fantastic. I am no Geraldo Fan, but that was righteous. And Geraldo is RIGHT. The Drunk Drive could easily have been A TOURIST.
quote:Originally posted by interventor:
Yes, we need to control our borders. But, this was a cat fight between two media wh0rez! Fun to watch.
there would not have been a fight, if O'Reilly had not be so stupid as to try to make Drunk Driving About Illegal Immigration. Tourists don't get deported for being drunk. If they did Las Vegas would be empty.
One who post and EdKit, you are an idiot as is Geraldo! O'Reilly is correct and the left wing, open borders Geraldo is wrong. As more criminal aliens cross the border the more dangerous it will become for us. We have an estimated 20 million criminal aliens in the USA and it is scary ! We don't need idiots like Geraldo and you rationalizing for them.
The director of the movie " A Chrsitmas Story " was also killed by an illegal alien's reckless driving recently.
Your idiot president Bush and the rest of or crooked government has recently made it legal for Mexican trucks to run or streets and highways unchecked. We are living in dangerous times!
When you sling the term BIGOT or RACIST you show your ignorance.
The director of the movie " A Chrsitmas Story " was also killed by an illegal alien's reckless driving recently.
Your idiot president Bush and the rest of or crooked government has recently made it legal for Mexican trucks to run or streets and highways unchecked. We are living in dangerous times!
When you sling the term BIGOT or RACIST you show your ignorance.
I just watched this clip last night. First off I tend to lean toward the "right" and I have always voted Republican. However I agree with Geraldo; this had nothing to do with his citizenship status. It had everything to do with a person drinking too much and getting behind the wheel.
Geraldo had mentioned that the Commonwealth of Virginia had 372 DUI fatalities last year. Why weren't those mentioned?
Well I believe the reason is: that it doesn't sell. Those other people and there fmailies suffered and died just the same no matter who was behind the wheel.
But their stories won't sell the papers like an illegal immigrant's will.
That's my story and I'm sticking too it...
Geraldo had mentioned that the Commonwealth of Virginia had 372 DUI fatalities last year. Why weren't those mentioned?
Well I believe the reason is: that it doesn't sell. Those other people and there fmailies suffered and died just the same no matter who was behind the wheel.
But their stories won't sell the papers like an illegal immigrant's will.
That's my story and I'm sticking too it...
When a mexican hit my daghters car we were told by florence police theres nothing he could do not even a ticket for leaving the wreck then he was sueing us luckly he got busted for pounds of cocaine an pot befor it came to a head.just lucky he's got biger fish to fry now.
This will be a first, but I agree with O'Reilly to some extent. I don't believe he was saying the Mexican should have been deported because he was DUI, I think he meant he should have been deported after the first encounter with the police when they found him to be ILLEGAL. That is what Geraldo didn't get. I understand that Bill tries to spin everything his way, but his point was valid on this. Yes, those girls could have been killed by another drunk driver, but if this illegal alien had been deported when he was found to be illegal, they would not have been killed by this drunk driver.
Lets see if I have this right...illegals don`t need a license to drive,don`t need insurance coverage,can`t be arrested for any laws broken..can get Social Security benefits, free health care,free public education..live 15-20 in a home..what is the normal,law abiding citizens to do? Answer..nothing! Bush(whom I voterd for)and the congress have no gonads to do anything. Side story..had a friend whose 18 year old son was hit by an illegal that ran a stop sign...totaled his car..the illegal ran away, his car had no tag, and the police says there is nothing they can do..so folks, just get use to it...
quote:Originally posted by one who posts:
I love to see O'Reilly put in his place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLPuGuaZTx8
I didn't see the actual show, just excerpts from it... and from what I saw, O'Reilly needs to go home wiff his widdle tail between his widdle legs!!!
Geraldo busted him bad....
Now, do NOT confuse this statement with that I AGREED with Geraldo, I DID NOT, on almost everything he busted O'Reilly's chops with... but my respect factor went UP for him, because O'Reilly FINALLY saw he was not God! lol
KS, please remove your rose colored glasses. 
Do need a license to drive, issued by their country of residence. Are required to have insurance to register cars, and may register the car in their country of residence. Can only get social security benefits if they have valid social security accounts (and can't get such a thing if they are illegals) You can live in a house with 15 or 20 other people if you want. Are Arrested for laws broken, and can be deported for all manner of violations that would not even appear on your record.quote:Originally posted by walter096:
Lets see if I have this right...illegals don`t need a license to drive,don`t need insurance coverage,can`t be arrested for any laws broken..can get Social Security benefits, free health care,free public education..live 15-20 in a home..what is the normal,law abiding citizens to do? Answer..nothing! Bush(whom I voterd for)and the congress have no gonads to do anything. Side story..had a friend whose 18 year old son was hit by an illegal that ran a stop sign...totaled his car..the illegal ran away, his car had no tag, and the police says there is nothing they can do..so folks, just get use to it...
Right on USMC. The issue is not the status of the driver, it's the level of intoxication.quote:Originally posted by usmc35630:
I just watched this clip last night. First off I tend to lean toward the "right" and I have always voted Republican. However I agree with Geraldo; this had nothing to do with his citizenship status. It had everything to do with a person drinking too much and getting behind the wheel.
Geraldo had mentioned that the Commonwealth of Virginia had 372 DUI fatalities last year. Why weren't those mentioned?
Well I believe the reason is: that it doesn't sell. Those other people and there fmailies suffered and died just the same no matter who was behind the wheel.
But their stories won't sell the papers like an illegal immigrant's will.
That's my story and I'm sticking too it...
quote:Originally posted by Go Nads:
KS, please remove your rose colored glasses.
Sorry Go Nad... ... I don't have any rose colored glasses... I donated them all to the O'Reilly Show!!! hehe
quote:Originally posted by walter096:
Lets see if I have this right...illegals don`t need a license to drive,don`t need insurance coverage,can`t be arrested for any laws broken..can get Social Security benefits, free health care,free public education..live 15-20 in a home..what is the normal,law abiding citizens to do? Answer..nothing! Bush(whom I voterd for)and the congress have no gonads to do anything. Side story..had a friend whose 18 year old son was hit by an illegal that ran a stop sign...totaled his car..the illegal ran away, his car had no tag, and the police says there is nothing they can do..so folks, just get use to it...
Walter, that seems to be what is happening.. Seen any BANK OF AMERICA commercials lately??? They are ADVERTISING (without so many words) that ILLEGALS can open an account, get that SPECIAL Debit Card with their picture on it... which then gives them ID, which then gives them the avenue to get their Drivers Lisence, which THEN gives them the OPTIONS of living 15-20 in a House... ALL the while sending over half of whatever they DO make right here, back to Mexico to take care of their families there...
We have extreme issues going on, and no one has the answers to fix it, IF it CAN be fixed now...
If you want to talk about bigotry, look no further than Geraldo's statement that illegals commit less crime, per capita, than citizens.
All my data, and I keep up, indicates otherwise.
Our Southern California jails are stuffed with 40%+ illegals, and illegals amount to about 30% of state prison inmates.
Then there's the unreported crime. Same as Alabama, when an illegal is involved in an auto accident, the police do nothing. They could, but it's a lot of work for what they consider a low-priority issue, so they don't.
O'Reilly may have a logical weakness in his argument, but essentially it's true. About half the traffic in So Cal is unlicensed and/or uninsured, many of them illegals. If they weren't here, there would be far fewer accidents and more accountability.
DF
All my data, and I keep up, indicates otherwise.
Our Southern California jails are stuffed with 40%+ illegals, and illegals amount to about 30% of state prison inmates.
Then there's the unreported crime. Same as Alabama, when an illegal is involved in an auto accident, the police do nothing. They could, but it's a lot of work for what they consider a low-priority issue, so they don't.
O'Reilly may have a logical weakness in his argument, but essentially it's true. About half the traffic in So Cal is unlicensed and/or uninsured, many of them illegals. If they weren't here, there would be far fewer accidents and more accountability.
DF
Deep Fat, you may be correct, but I have tried Googling this, "2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants" I get several dozen blogs, all with this dataquote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
If you want to talk about bigotry, look no further than Geraldo's statement that illegals commit less crime, per capita, than citizens.
All my data, and I keep up, indicates otherwise.
Our Southern California jails are stuffed with 40%+ illegals, and illegals amount to about 30% of state prison inmates.
Then there's the unreported crime. Same as Alabama, when an illegal is involved in an auto accident, the police do nothing. They could, but it's a lot of work for what they consider a low-priority issue, so they don't.
O'Reilly may have a logical weakness in his argument, but essentially it's true. About half the traffic in So Cal is unlicensed and/or uninsured, many of them illegals. If they weren't here, there would be far fewer accidents and more accountability.
DF
But, I can find none of it at FBI sites or at the INS site. CAN YOU TELL ME THE PLACE THIS DATA IS STORED?quote:INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.
BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers
I suspect someone is cooking the books. Those stats would indicate that at least 20% of the all US residents are illegal immigrants, or that the data is just plain counterfeit. Two of the percentages make sense, the percentage of people in detention centers in Arizona, California and New Mexico, since about that percentage of people are in detention awaiting deportation.
and the uninsured motorist rates in the Same States, since it is widely publicized by their motor vehicle departments that 40% or so of all registered autos are uninsured. Unlicensed drivers are always uninsured. Even if the Car is insured, the insurance is not valid if the owner of the car authorizes its use by an unlicensed driver. Only exception is if the car is stolen and the driver is unlicensed. Then the owner did not authorize the use of the car.
The last number rings about as true as a lead bell with a marshmallow clapper. 2/3rd of all births in California are to illegals, on Medi-Cal? That figure is JUST PLAIN BEYOND BELIEF.
basically it would require that more than half of all California women of child bearing age were illegal immigrants and that virtually NO child was born with private financing.
I DON'T believe those stats are anywhere near the truth. There are lies, Dam* Lies, and Statistics.
and the uninsured motorist rates in the Same States, since it is widely publicized by their motor vehicle departments that 40% or so of all registered autos are uninsured. Unlicensed drivers are always uninsured. Even if the Car is insured, the insurance is not valid if the owner of the car authorizes its use by an unlicensed driver. Only exception is if the car is stolen and the driver is unlicensed. Then the owner did not authorize the use of the car.
The last number rings about as true as a lead bell with a marshmallow clapper. 2/3rd of all births in California are to illegals, on Medi-Cal? That figure is JUST PLAIN BEYOND BELIEF.
basically it would require that more than half of all California women of child bearing age were illegal immigrants and that virtually NO child was born with private financing.
I DON'T believe those stats are anywhere near the truth. There are lies, Dam* Lies, and Statistics.
Ed,
I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.
2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.
DF
I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.
2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.
DF
So, you wasted my time by saying "In California," and meaning "in LA County Hospital." There is a difference, LA county hospital is totally government funded. Any Births there that are paid by OTHER than government funds are the exception.quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed,
I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.
2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.
DF
THE DATA SAYS TWO THIRDS OF ALL BIRTHS IN CALIFORNIA, NOT TWO THIRDS OF ALL BIRTHS IN LOS ANGELES COUNTY HOSPITAL.
Are the other statistics COOKED the same way? Is that 48% in detention deliberately distorted to include all those in detention awaiting deportation so that the figure is HUGE?
quote:71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".
this problem is separate from illegal immigration. It is the result of proximity to the border, and the ease of smuggling stolen cars OUT of the United States. I can leave the USA without even being asked who I am. I can drive a car into Mexico without being inspected by either the Mexicans or the Americans, except for random Mexican Searches for contraband.
I am about to go into the business of importing used cars into Mexico. THE SOURCE OF THE CARS WILL BE LICENSED AND INSPECTED AUCTIONS, WITH FULL TITLE TO THE VEHICLES I BUY. Car theft is not an immigration issue. Neither is Drunk Driving.
"83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens."
I find this one all over the net, but I can't find it in any Phoenix Data Base. And, I can't find a single blog or website that links to a reference for it.
"86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens." Same Here.
"75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens." Same here.
"53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens." This has to be outright lying. The percentage of investigated burglaries that are SOLVED is less than half the percentage attributed to illegal aliens.
Now, let me make up some statical "facts" and you can spread them all over the internet.
75% of all Registered Republicans have less than 500 dollars in savings or investments.
Only 9% of Conservatives practice safe sex.
12% of Bill O'Reilly's audience is Homosexual.
35% of Marine Corps recruits are members of Latino gangs.
I find this one all over the net, but I can't find it in any Phoenix Data Base. And, I can't find a single blog or website that links to a reference for it.
"86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens." Same Here.
"75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens." Same here.
"53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens." This has to be outright lying. The percentage of investigated burglaries that are SOLVED is less than half the percentage attributed to illegal aliens.
Now, let me make up some statical "facts" and you can spread them all over the internet.
75% of all Registered Republicans have less than 500 dollars in savings or investments.
Only 9% of Conservatives practice safe sex.
12% of Bill O'Reilly's audience is Homosexual.
35% of Marine Corps recruits are members of Latino gangs.
quote:
NOTICE, I HAVE NO IDEA IF ANY OF THE ABOVE STATISTICS ARE TRUE, I JUST MADE THEM UP. I WILL DENY THAT THEY ARE BASED ON ANY SCIENTIFIC DATA IF ASKED, AND WILL NOW AND HENCEFORTH CLAIM AND ATTEST THAT THEY ARE FICTIONAL, AND WHOLE CLOTH CREATIONS OF MY FERTILE IMAGINATION.
quote:Originally posted by Go Nads:
One who post and EdKit, you are an idiot as is Geraldo! O'Reilly is correct and the left wing, open borders Geraldo is wrong. As more criminal aliens cross the border the more dangerous it will become for us. We have an estimated 20 million criminal aliens in the USA and it is scary ! We don't need idiots like Geraldo and you rationalizing for them.
The director of the movie " A Chrsitmas Story " was also killed by an illegal alien's reckless driving recently.
Your idiot president Bush and the rest of or crooked government has recently made it legal for Mexican trucks to run or streets and highways unchecked. We are living in dangerous times!
When you sling the term BIGOT or RACIST you show your ignorance.
Sorry, an overwhelming majority is against you on this one. First, Bush is not my president. Secondly, Geraldo is hardly a leftist. Lastly, I'm not slinging any terms, I am purposefully labelling those who absolutely deserve it. Your position is proof that you, too, deserve the label. We are hardly "rationalizing" criminals, we are surveying the facts and calling them as we see them. If this were about an illegal alien (of any heritage) trying to harm the country using their status, then the discussion would have merit. However, turning the drunk driving offense into an illegal alien politic is as bad as turning soldier funerals into a homosexual politic. Make sense out of that which makes sense, don't politicize so often that you lose touch with facts.
380 thousand plus anchor babies per year. THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF OVER 20 A DAY PER STATE.quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed,
I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.
2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.
DF
It would mean that 5% of all babies born in the USA are born to illegal immigrants.
If 12 million Illegal immigrants are in the USA today, that would mean that EVERY ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE A BABY THIS YEAR. Since 12 million is 4% of the the total US population.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE FANTASIES. THEY ARE NOT ACCURATE.
The Idiot Bush Administration IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REGULATIONS ALLOWING MEXICAN TRUCKS INTO THE USA. The agreement was reached DECADES AGO.quote:Originally posted by Go Nads:
One who post and EdKit, you are an idiot as is Geraldo! O'Reilly is correct and the left wing, open borders Geraldo is wrong. As more criminal aliens cross the border the more dangerous it will become for us. We have an estimated 20 million criminal aliens in the USA and it is scary ! We don't need idiots like Geraldo and you rationalizing for them.
The director of the movie " A Chrsitmas Story " was also killed by an illegal alien's reckless driving recently.
Your idiot president Bush and the rest of or crooked government has recently made it legal for Mexican trucks to run or streets and highways unchecked. We are living in dangerous times!
When you sling the term BIGOT or RACIST you show your ignorance.
It has not been implemented because of objections from US and Canadian trucking companies, the AFL/CIO, The Teamsters, and private citizens. The trucks, if allowed to enter the country will be safety inspected, the drivers will be required to operate under US hours of service regulations. Weight limits will be enforced, Road Use Taxes will be collected, and the drivers will be required to meet licensing standards imposed by the US Department of transportation.
THERE ARE STILL OBJECTIONS.
Canadian drivers, some of whom are French Speaking Quebec residents, are now and have been allowed entry into the US for Decades.
NOTE: A Mexican tourist, who flies from Mexico City to Orlando Florida, and rents a car, must have a valid Mexican, or International drivers license. He is permitted to drive, and be in the USA as a tourist. ANY Mexican who enters the USA through a port of entry, either by ground transportation, including his own personal car or by Sea or Air, Unless he is found to be in possession of a PAYROLL CHECK with his name on it the act of driving a private car does not indicate he is in the country illegally.quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
If you want to talk about bigotry, look no further than Geraldo's statement that illegals commit less crime, per capita, than citizens.
All my data, and I keep up, indicates otherwise.
Our Southern California jails are stuffed with 40%+ illegals, and illegals amount to about 30% of state prison inmates.
Then there's the unreported crime. Same as Alabama, when an illegal is involved in an auto accident, the police do nothing. They could, but it's a lot of work for what they consider a low-priority issue, so they don't.
O'Reilly may have a logical weakness in his argument, but essentially it's true. About half the traffic in So Cal is unlicensed and/or uninsured, many of them illegals. If they weren't here, there would be far fewer accidents and more accountability.
DF
Mexican Citizens, like American Citizens, are not required to carry proof of Citizenship.
However,
quote:Citizens and permanent residents of Mexico generally must have a nonimmigrant visa or Border Crossing Card (also known as a "Laser Visa"). The Border Crossing Card, Form DSP-150 is a biometric, machine readable, visitor B1-B2 visa/Border Crossing Card that may be used to enter the U.S. from within the Western Hemisphere. http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1260.html
You are correct that issuing a standard driver's license to non resident Mexican Citizens would make it more difficult to check credentials. Because presentation of a valid US driver's license would not identify a foreign national. However, the simple expedient of LABELING THE LICENSE AS A NON RESIDENT ALIEN LICENSE SOLVES THAT PROBLEM.
You may be correct in assuming that police officers don't bother with the necessary paperwork. That is not the responsibility of the Federal Government, it is the responsibility of the police officer.
quote:Originally posted by country:
When a mexican hit my daghters car we were told by florence police theres nothing he could do not even a ticket for leaving the wreck then he was sueing us luckly he got busted for pounds of cocaine an pot befor it came to a head.just lucky he's got biger fish to fry now.
If the ticket wouldn't have worked, then I doubt he could have successfully sued you.
Ed, you wrote
Are you talking to me? I believe you'll find that it was you who brought the INS/FBI statistics to the discussion.
DF
quote:So, you wasted my time by saying "In California," and meaning "in LA County Hospital." There is a difference, LA county hospital is totally government funded.
Are you talking to me? I believe you'll find that it was you who brought the INS/FBI statistics to the discussion.
DF
oreilly lost the debate when he lost control of his emotions and started screaming. he often confuses being right with being louder than his opposition.
All O'Reilly is, is the ENQUIRER Talk show host of Fox... he is a bigot, a racist, a jerk, an idiot, and he PRETENDS to show BOTH sides.... WRONG, if he DOES in fact have someone on his show on the side he DON'T believe in, he don't let them talk... so why does he even bother???
Does he think Americans are TOO dumb to see him for what he is??? lolololol
Does he think Americans are TOO dumb to see him for what he is??? lolololol
quote:Originally posted by one who posts:quote:Originally posted by Go Nads:
One who post and EdKit, you are an idiot as is Geraldo! O'Reilly is correct and the left wing, open borders Geraldo is wrong. As more criminal aliens cross the border the more dangerous it will become for us. We have an estimated 20 million criminal aliens in the USA and it is scary ! We don't need idiots like Geraldo and you rationalizing for them.
The director of the movie " A Chrsitmas Story " was also killed by an illegal alien's reckless driving recently.
Your idiot president Bush and the rest of or crooked government has recently made it legal for Mexican trucks to run or streets and highways unchecked. We are living in dangerous times!
When you sling the term BIGOT or RACIST you show your ignorance.
Sorry, an overwhelming majority is against you on this one. First, Bush is not my president. Secondly, Geraldo is hardly a leftist. Lastly, I'm not slinging any terms, I am purposefully labelling those who absolutely deserve it. Your position is proof that you, too, deserve the label. We are hardly "rationalizing" criminals, we are surveying the facts and calling them as we see them. If this were about an illegal alien (of any heritage) trying to harm the country using their status, then the discussion would have merit. However, turning the drunk driving offense into an illegal alien politic is as bad as turning soldier funerals into a homosexual politic. Make sense out of that which makes sense, don't politicize so often that you lose touch with facts.
Good Come Back!!!!
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:380 thousand plus anchor babies per year. THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF OVER 20 A DAY PER STATE.quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed,
I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.
2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.
DF
It would mean that 5% of all babies born in the USA are born to illegal immigrants.
If 12 million Illegal immigrants are in the USA today, that would mean that EVERY ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE A BABY THIS YEAR. Since 12 million is 4% of the the total US population.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE FANTASIES. THEY ARE NOT ACCURATE.
Ed, this looks like something PBA would come up with.
First of all, last year it is estimated that there were approximately 4.2 million births in th US. So the percentage of anchor babies is more like 9%. This is where you went wrong, transposing percentages does not work. While it's true that 12 million illegals is approximately 4% of the total US population, all this means is 12 million illegals accounted for 380,000 births. Or 4% of the population accounted for 9% of the births. I don't find that so hard to believe.
As you stated in another thread: WHEN YOU LEARN ARITHMETIC, call me.
I am going to surrender. You have me on the Arithmetic quote. Your figures indicate a birthrate of over 31 per thousand among all illegals. Common wisdom says the vast majority of illegals are men. I absolutely will not accept that 380 thousand figure as correct. It is exaggerated. But it is not the issue.quote:Originally posted by midknightrider:quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:380 thousand plus anchor babies per year. THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF OVER 20 A DAY PER STATE.quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed,
I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.
2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.
DF
It would mean that 5% of all babies born in the USA are born to illegal immigrants.
If 12 million Illegal immigrants are in the USA today, that would mean that EVERY ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE A BABY THIS YEAR. Since 12 million is 4% of the the total US population.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE FANTASIES. THEY ARE NOT ACCURATE.
Ed, this looks like something PBA would come up with.
First of all, last year it is estimated that there were approximately 4.2 million births in th US. So the percentage of anchor babies is more like 9%. This is where you went wrong, transposing percentages does not work. While it's true that 12 million illegals is approximately 4% of the total US population, all this means is 12 million illegals accounted for 380,000 births. Or 4% of the population accounted for 9% of the births. I don't find that so hard to believe.
As you stated in another thread: WHEN YOU LEARN ARITHMETIC, call me.
World Net daily says 12 Americans a day are murdered by illegal Aliens. I think that figure is also exaggerated.
THE ISSUE in this thread is whether DUI was the crime in that traffic fatality, or Illegal Presence in the USA.
In 2005 nearly 17 thousand people died in the US in Alcohol Related highway crashes. That is 39% of all traffic deaths. If 9% of the total population is illegal, and we removed them all from the US, the effect on alcohol related deaths on the highway would be minimal. The highway fatality number would get reduced, by 1,500. Unless you want to argue that Illegals are also predominantly heavy drinkers, and that they ALL drive.
There is a solution. Make DUI a felony, Indict every Drunk Driver, Hold them for trial on a high bail, say 100 thousand dollars. Convict them, imprison them, deport the non citizen to his place of birth on completion of sentence. Make it a 20 year felony to re enter the country after deportation. Pay for the prison cells this would require, or make room for the Drunks by turning someone loose who was convicted of a less offensive crime.
If you wish to argue the anchor baby issue, start a thread.
I did, and if you read the conclusion I came to, after trying to find the Government published Stats, You would see that I seriously doubt the accuracy of the quoted statistics. THERE IS A PROBLEMO. It will not be solved with inaccurate information being used to make arguments seem reasonable.quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed, you wrotequote:So, you wasted my time by saying "In California," and meaning "in LA County Hospital." There is a difference, LA county hospital is totally government funded.
Are you talking to me? I believe you'll find that it was you who brought the INS/FBI statistics to the discussion.
DF
THERE ARE SOLUTIONS.
One, PENALIZE EMPLOYERS. Make the penalty SO HARD THEY ARE DISCOURAGED FROM HIRING WITHOUT CONFIRMATION.
Two, Make it easy to confirm. Simple data base, You have a social security number presented by a prospective employee. Make it possible to enter the name, date of birth, and gender of the applicant. Return a result. that says yea or nay. Example. Jose Garcia, 593 XX XXXX DOB 5/7/81. Male. The employer goes to either a telephone or computer, enters that data, and the response says "That Person Matches the SS number on file" Or it says "That Person DOES NOT match the SS number on file." No personal information regarding FALSE social security numbers is transmitted, and TRUE social security numbers are confirmed. Add a confirmation number to the response. REQUIRE that number to be written down on the employment application. PROBLEM SOLVED.
Allow, or require, the employer to do this before issuing any paycheck. Require that any attempt to gain employment with a falsified SS card be reported. Cross reference the inquiries with the reporting of fraudulent numbers. Penalize failure to inquire, and failure to report.
Three, ENFORCE EXISTING LAW. When an investigation or raid finds illegally employed people, JAIL THE PERSONNEL MANAGER.
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:I am going to surrender. You have me on the Arithmetic quote. Your figures indicate a birthrate of over 31 per thousand among all illegals. Common wisdom says the vast majority of illegals are men. I absolutely will not accept that 380 thousand figure as correct. It is exaggerated. But it is not the issue.quote:Originally posted by midknightrider:quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:380 thousand plus anchor babies per year. THAT IS AN AVERAGE OF OVER 20 A DAY PER STATE.quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed,
I would find it difficult to believe that the Federal Gov't is cooking the books to make illegals look more harmful than they are, considering the President's affection for them.
2/3 of all births in L.A. County Hospital are indeed to illegal Mexican women. I doubt the statistic carries statewide. They come across in a state of high ripeness to give birth to "anchor babies". It's an old situation that no one will address, lest the accusation of racism come up.
DF
It would mean that 5% of all babies born in the USA are born to illegal immigrants.
If 12 million Illegal immigrants are in the USA today, that would mean that EVERY ONE OF THEM WILL HAVE A BABY THIS YEAR. Since 12 million is 4% of the the total US population.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE FANTASIES. THEY ARE NOT ACCURATE.
Ed, this looks like something PBA would come up with.
First of all, last year it is estimated that there were approximately 4.2 million births in th US. So the percentage of anchor babies is more like 9%. This is where you went wrong, transposing percentages does not work. While it's true that 12 million illegals is approximately 4% of the total US population, all this means is 12 million illegals accounted for 380,000 births. Or 4% of the population accounted for 9% of the births. I don't find that so hard to believe.
As you stated in another thread: WHEN YOU LEARN ARITHMETIC, call me.
World Net daily says 12 Americans a day are murdered by illegal Aliens. I think that figure is also exaggerated.
THE ISSUE in this thread is whether DUI was the crime in that traffic fatality, or Illegal Presence in the USA.
In 2005 nearly 17 thousand people died in the US in Alcohol Related highway crashes. That is 39% of all traffic deaths. If 9% of the total population is illegal, and we removed them all from the US, the effect on alcohol related deaths on the highway would be minimal. The highway fatality number would get reduced, by 1,500. Unless you want to argue that Illegals are also predominantly heavy drinkers, and that they ALL drive.
There is a solution. Make DUI a felony, Indict every Drunk Driver, Hold them for trial on a high bail, say 100 thousand dollars. Convict them, imprison them, deport the non citizen to his place of birth on completion of sentence. Make it a 20 year felony to re enter the country after deportation. Pay for the prison cells this would require, or make room for the Drunks by turning someone loose who was convicted of a less offensive crime.
If you wish to argue the anchor baby issue, start a thread.
First of all, these are not my figures and I'm not arguing the anchor baby issue. I was just pointing out the bogus math you used to proclaim these figures a fantasy and inaccurate. You can chose to believe them or not, whatever floats your boat.
Secondly if the issue of this thread is whether the crime was DUI or illegal presence, if the immigration laws had been enforced there wouldn't have been a DUI.
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:
It will not be solved with inaccurate information being used to make arguments seem reasonable.
I can't believe you said that!
quote:if the immigration laws had been enforced there wouldn't have been a DUI.
Sorry. There is no way in heaven or hell that you could prove that. There is no fool proof, 100% border plan.
quote:Originally posted by one who posts:quote:if the immigration laws had been enforced there wouldn't have been a DUI.
Sorry. There is no way in heaven or hell that you could prove that. There is no fool proof, 100% border plan.
True, but the chances of him coming back may have been reduced. If the immigration laws plus the laws forbidding employers form employing criminal aliens were being enforced it would not have happened.
quote:Originally posted by one who posts:quote:if the immigration laws had been enforced there wouldn't have been a DUI.
Sorry. There is no way in heaven or hell that you could prove that. There is no fool proof, 100% border plan.
You're correct. It's hard to prove something would not happen. Let me re-phrase that. If this particular man had been sent back to Mexico, the chances of him being involved in this accident in Virginia would be slim. Is this statement true?
While there is no 100% fool proof border plan, any plan that would improve border security would be better than what we have now or we could just throw up our hands and say to hell with it and make what was once an illegal act legal. We've done it before we can do it again.
I can't believe what I'm hearing. I can't believe there are taxpaying citizens of this country arguing over numbers in statistics. Who cares? The illegals are here illegally! It's very simple. It doesn't matter if someone believes or doesn't believe birth or crime numbers, you have to be a fool to not see that there are too many of them and we have a problem. Why don't some people get it? It's the same mindset as Geraldo had when he said that illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens. What the #$%&? As Glenn Beck stated, "unless 101% of American citizens commit crimes, Geraldo was dead wrong" Illegal immigrants have a 100% crime rate! They all committed a crime coming here! Duh!
I do agree with EdEkit also, however. We need stiff penalties for people who employ them. No prospect of success, no illegals. They wouldn't come here if they thought their lives would be worse than in Mexico. They are here because they think it will be bettter.
I do think he left out one part though. What do you do to the ones that still come here? They have broken a law (thus the term illegal) by coming here and there must be punishment. This I don't have an answer to. I don't want to pay for putting them in our jails and support them there. Of course I don't want to pay to just to return them either; they'll only come back. There has to be some significant punishment to serve as a deterent to them.
If you have a mouse problem because you have food lying around, the first thing you do is clean up the food, which removes the reason for them coming in. I agree with EdEkit on that. However when they still come looking for more, you kill them to prevent it from recurring. Now we can't do that with people, but there has to be some punishment. What that is, I don't know.
I do agree with EdEkit also, however. We need stiff penalties for people who employ them. No prospect of success, no illegals. They wouldn't come here if they thought their lives would be worse than in Mexico. They are here because they think it will be bettter.
I do think he left out one part though. What do you do to the ones that still come here? They have broken a law (thus the term illegal) by coming here and there must be punishment. This I don't have an answer to. I don't want to pay for putting them in our jails and support them there. Of course I don't want to pay to just to return them either; they'll only come back. There has to be some significant punishment to serve as a deterent to them.
If you have a mouse problem because you have food lying around, the first thing you do is clean up the food, which removes the reason for them coming in. I agree with EdEkit on that. However when they still come looking for more, you kill them to prevent it from recurring. Now we can't do that with people, but there has to be some punishment. What that is, I don't know.
You are right aubfire, I did not address the problem of those who would still come. There is a reason. When you have food lying around you have a lot of mice. When you take away the food, there are FEWER mice. Fewer mice, more manageable problem.
One of the Constitutional principals is called Ex Post Facto. That is a legal term that says you may not prosecute a person for a crime that was not illegal when he committed the act. It also means that you cannot prosecute with a penalty that is heavier than the penalty when the crime was committed. At the moment there are statutes and penalties in place for both illegal workers and their employers. The first step in getting the food off the floor is PROSECUTING EMPLOYERS. Full extent of the law prosecutions with the existing statutes. The second step is cleaning up the remaining mice.
Illegal immigration is an ongoing violation. Today there is a specified Penalty. Tomorrow that penalty could be raised to include a ten thousand dollar fine and a year in jail. TODAY'S illegal cannot be prosecuted with tomorrow's law. Pass the law, either give a period of time for departure, or publicize the progress of the law as it moves through the Congress. Give the illegals the chance to leave the house. Those who don't go, punish. I don't think we have a moral right to put a felony penalty on a misdemeanor, if the misdemeanor was committed before the felony penalty was instituted.
Except for a few ignorant racists, no one objects to what I am proposing SO FAR. There are difficulties with the next step. There may be serious consequences on Tourism, and other commercial operations within the country. There is also the problem of asylum.
Wikipedia reports these statistics. Up 20 million people are in the US illegally. They either entered without clearing customs and immigration checks, or they overstayed their visa or changed their status. That is 20 million people who should GO HOME TODAY. A small group, numbering in the high hundreds or low thousands are seeking asylum. By law they have only two avenues open. Admission as permanent residents or deportation to their Country of origin.
Roughly seven million people are working illegally in the USA. (I have been guilty of accepting the vastly inflated figure of 12 million or 20 million but it is a mistake I will not make again.) A small percentage of them are "inadvertent" illegals. They started working on a proper visa and failed to renew it. These people are routinely found, and generally fined for their misstep, and allowed to continue their residence. The same applies to students who are still in school but failed to renew their visa's. Another small percentage are people who completed their education before the student visa expired, and took jobs, or have taken work to finance their education. It seems unfair to penalize an employer if the violation was innocent and unintentional.
For the sake of argument, say that leaves 6 million clearly illegal workers. That number is not only manageable, but it is about equal to the number of people seeking work at the moment.
I think the problem can be solved without granting permanent amnesty. A law, with a 90 day implementation delay, making it a felony, punishable by imprisonment to hire an undocumented worker, or to work without documentation, applied to Personnel managers, their supervisors, the company's general manager, and the worker; A method for allowing correction of prior violations during that period to retain employees with a demonstrated vital position in the company; and no penalty for people who either resume their legal status or leave the country voluntarily. In the same, or separate, legislation, reform allowing immigration without regard to country of origin or just a simple repeal of the quotas now in place, and strict enforcement now and in the future.
One of the Constitutional principals is called Ex Post Facto. That is a legal term that says you may not prosecute a person for a crime that was not illegal when he committed the act. It also means that you cannot prosecute with a penalty that is heavier than the penalty when the crime was committed. At the moment there are statutes and penalties in place for both illegal workers and their employers. The first step in getting the food off the floor is PROSECUTING EMPLOYERS. Full extent of the law prosecutions with the existing statutes. The second step is cleaning up the remaining mice.
Illegal immigration is an ongoing violation. Today there is a specified Penalty. Tomorrow that penalty could be raised to include a ten thousand dollar fine and a year in jail. TODAY'S illegal cannot be prosecuted with tomorrow's law. Pass the law, either give a period of time for departure, or publicize the progress of the law as it moves through the Congress. Give the illegals the chance to leave the house. Those who don't go, punish. I don't think we have a moral right to put a felony penalty on a misdemeanor, if the misdemeanor was committed before the felony penalty was instituted.
Except for a few ignorant racists, no one objects to what I am proposing SO FAR. There are difficulties with the next step. There may be serious consequences on Tourism, and other commercial operations within the country. There is also the problem of asylum.
Wikipedia reports these statistics. Up 20 million people are in the US illegally. They either entered without clearing customs and immigration checks, or they overstayed their visa or changed their status. That is 20 million people who should GO HOME TODAY. A small group, numbering in the high hundreds or low thousands are seeking asylum. By law they have only two avenues open. Admission as permanent residents or deportation to their Country of origin.
Roughly seven million people are working illegally in the USA. (I have been guilty of accepting the vastly inflated figure of 12 million or 20 million but it is a mistake I will not make again.) A small percentage of them are "inadvertent" illegals. They started working on a proper visa and failed to renew it. These people are routinely found, and generally fined for their misstep, and allowed to continue their residence. The same applies to students who are still in school but failed to renew their visa's. Another small percentage are people who completed their education before the student visa expired, and took jobs, or have taken work to finance their education. It seems unfair to penalize an employer if the violation was innocent and unintentional.
For the sake of argument, say that leaves 6 million clearly illegal workers. That number is not only manageable, but it is about equal to the number of people seeking work at the moment.
I think the problem can be solved without granting permanent amnesty. A law, with a 90 day implementation delay, making it a felony, punishable by imprisonment to hire an undocumented worker, or to work without documentation, applied to Personnel managers, their supervisors, the company's general manager, and the worker; A method for allowing correction of prior violations during that period to retain employees with a demonstrated vital position in the company; and no penalty for people who either resume their legal status or leave the country voluntarily. In the same, or separate, legislation, reform allowing immigration without regard to country of origin or just a simple repeal of the quotas now in place, and strict enforcement now and in the future.
EdEkit, I've been reading many of your posts for a while. Your opinions differ from mine on quite a few occassions but this is not one of them. This is what I think debate should be about. Not only did you completely keep emotion out of it, as many cannot seem to do, you offered a clear, concise discussion of the topic at hand. Thank you for a great post. I agree one hundred percent with what you say here. I too have learned to question any statistic offered since if you dig deep enough they either promote the views of their creator, or they have been twisted by others along the way to promote their views. I agree that illegals, and illegal immigration is a problem we can handle. Our leaders must choose to handle it, however. I also believe that it can solved without permanent amnesty. In no way to I believe anyone can or should be punished for crime that wasn't illegal when it was committed, nor do I believe we can just enact legislation with immediate consequences for those in violation. Everything you have suggested here is not only sensible, reasonable, and fair; it is also doable. We just need to find some leaders who are willing to address problems like this and take care of our great country.
Unfortunately, aub, the issue is nowhere near as simple as you think it is. Your argument forgets both history and humanity.
Okay OWP, I'm gonna bite: Please explain what you mean by I've forgotten history and humanity, and also why this isn't simple.
I wasn't baiting. I was assuming you'd read the entire thread. History - in that no one came to this county as a legal alien; Humanity - in that it doesn't take into consideration that to which we are sending our fellow humans back. We have to be humans first. It's not so simple because humanity has to figure into motives.
quote:Originally posted by DHS-86:
This will be a first, but I agree with O'Reilly to some extent. I don't believe he was saying the Mexican should have been deported because he was DUI, I think he meant he should have been deported after the first encounter with the police when they found him to be ILLEGAL. That is what Geraldo didn't get. I understand that Bill tries to spin everything his way, but his point was valid on this. Yes, those girls could have been killed by another drunk driver, but if this illegal alien had been deported when he was found to be illegal, they would not have been killed by this drunk driver.
From what my future father-in -law , who lives on the mountion south of Russellville, tells me ,the illegal Mexicans try very hard to stay out of any trouble that would expose them for what they are.Deportation is the last thing they want.
quote:that would expose them for what they are. . .
I would hate for anything to expose them for the humans they are.
OWP, I've read the thread twice. I'm not understanding what you mean by the statement that no one came here as a legal alien. There are proper channels for immigrants to come to this country, and many people do so every year. I know that everyone who WANTS in can't get here with this system, but that's life. If every human in the world could move about freely to whichever country was the most prosperous, I don't believe it wouldn't take long to see the pattern. Country becomes prosperous due to hard work and unity, people flock to it in droves, entitlement programs are abused, social unrest ensues, crime skyrockets, prosperity is destroyed, people flock to next prosperous country, repeat above. I know I'm oversimplifying things, but it sounds scarily familiar.
As for the humanity part, that is where I respectfully disagree. I personally feel that our fellow humans were there to start with; just because they are here now (as a result of an illegal act) I don't feel it is our duty or responsibility to help, aid, or even allow it. I know our opinions are just going to differ on this one, but I feel that if they didn't go through the proper channels to get here legally, then it is not our concern what they are sent back to. I know my opinion sounds cruel and uncaring, but I'm going to have to use the dreaded slippery-slope argument here. Is it honestly our duty as Americans to better every human's quality of life? Or just Mexicans? Maybe Iraqi's? When does it end, when we are all as impoverished as those we are trying help? Just doesn't seem possible to me. Just my opinion.
As for the humanity part, that is where I respectfully disagree. I personally feel that our fellow humans were there to start with; just because they are here now (as a result of an illegal act) I don't feel it is our duty or responsibility to help, aid, or even allow it. I know our opinions are just going to differ on this one, but I feel that if they didn't go through the proper channels to get here legally, then it is not our concern what they are sent back to. I know my opinion sounds cruel and uncaring, but I'm going to have to use the dreaded slippery-slope argument here. Is it honestly our duty as Americans to better every human's quality of life? Or just Mexicans? Maybe Iraqi's? When does it end, when we are all as impoverished as those we are trying help? Just doesn't seem possible to me. Just my opinion.
quote:Originally posted by aubfire1:
OWP, I've read the thread twice. I'm not understanding what you mean by the statement that no one came here as a legal alien. There are proper channels for immigrants to come to this country, and many people do so every year. I know that everyone who WANTS in can't get here with this system, but that's life. If every human in the world could move about freely to whichever country was the most prosperous, I don't believe it wouldn't take long to see the pattern. Country becomes prosperous due to hard work and unity, people flock to it in droves, entitlement programs are abused, social unrest ensues, crime skyrockets, prosperity is destroyed, people flock to next prosperous country, repeat above. I know I'm oversimplifying things, but it sounds scarily familiar.
As for the humanity part, that is where I respectfully disagree. I personally feel that our fellow humans were there to start with; just because they are here now (as a result of an illegal act) I don't feel it is our duty or responsibility to help, aid, or even allow it. I know our opinions are just going to differ on this one, but I feel that if they didn't go through the proper channels to get here legally, then it is not our concern what they are sent back to. I know my opinion sounds cruel and uncaring, but I'm going to have to use the dreaded slippery-slope argument here. Is it honestly our duty as Americans to better every human's quality of life? Or just Mexicans? Maybe Iraqi's? When does it end, when we are all as impoverished as those we are trying help? Just doesn't seem possible to me. Just my opinion.
I take it that you don't support the war. That would be the only way to fully play out that argument since we're in Iraq trying to make it "better."
As for history, go back far enough and you'll see, from a native American standpoint, our ancestors didn't just take their land, they murdered them and took their land. Are you saying that they came here illegally and committed attrocious acts of hatred and violence just so we can keep others from being able to come here?
Yes, as you pointed out, you do sound cruel and heartless. Until Americans see themselves as humans first and then countrymen, our world will continue on its downward spiral.
No I don't support the war. I did't support it to start with, and I certainly don't support it now.
I'm aware that our ancestors took what we have now from the Native Americans. If we want to play the guilt game for everything our ancestors have ever done wrong, we will be here a long time. I don't believe in apologies from people who didn't do wrong to people who weren't wronged. I feel they are wasted words and wasted time. I think we could be using our time and thoughts more productively to better ourselves here and now. In fact, I am part Native American, so I guess I would be apologizing to myself.
And, I think most of us do see ourselves as humans first, then countrymen. Yes it hurts to see people thoughout the world suffering in poverty and filth. I feel sorry for them and pray for them. I don't feel that putting ourselves in the same situation in the name of helping others and feeling good is really going to help anything. I also think there is a happy medium to most everything. There is one fact in all this: we cannot help everyone.
As I said, just my opinion, and I respect yours as well. We just see things differently.
I'm aware that our ancestors took what we have now from the Native Americans. If we want to play the guilt game for everything our ancestors have ever done wrong, we will be here a long time. I don't believe in apologies from people who didn't do wrong to people who weren't wronged. I feel they are wasted words and wasted time. I think we could be using our time and thoughts more productively to better ourselves here and now. In fact, I am part Native American, so I guess I would be apologizing to myself.
And, I think most of us do see ourselves as humans first, then countrymen. Yes it hurts to see people thoughout the world suffering in poverty and filth. I feel sorry for them and pray for them. I don't feel that putting ourselves in the same situation in the name of helping others and feeling good is really going to help anything. I also think there is a happy medium to most everything. There is one fact in all this: we cannot help everyone.
As I said, just my opinion, and I respect yours as well. We just see things differently.
Unfortunately, pity has no calories and cannot fill empty stomachs.
At least we agree on the war.
At least we agree on the war.
Each day thousands of people get a new driver's license, at age 16. Each day thousands of people turn 21 and are permitted to become drunk.quote:Originally posted by Go Nads:
One who post and EdKit, you are an idiot as is Geraldo! O'Reilly is correct and the left wing, open borders Geraldo is wrong. As more criminal aliens cross the border the more dangerous it will become for us. We have an estimated 20 million criminal aliens in the USA and it is scary ! We don't need idiots like Geraldo and you rationalizing for them.
The director of the movie " A Chrsitmas Story " was also killed by an illegal alien's reckless driving recently.
Your idiot president Bush and the rest of or crooked government has recently made it legal for Mexican trucks to run or streets and highways unchecked. We are living in dangerous times!
When you sling the term BIGOT or RACIST you show your ignorance.
Each day drunk drivers take lives on the highways. Alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes kill someone every 31 minutes and nonfatally injure someone every two minutes (NHTSA 2006). You mentioned a few who were in the county illegally.
In 2005, nearly 1.4 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics (Department of Justice 2005). That’s less than one percent of the 159 million self-reported episodes of alcohol–impaired driving among U.S. adults each year (Quinlan et al. 2005).
Each year, alcohol-related crashes in the United States cost about $51 billion (Blincoe et al. 2002).
Among motorcycle drivers killed in fatal crashes, 30% have BACs of 0.08% or greater (Paulozzi et al. 2004).
full details: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm
The issue, as Geraldo correctly pointed out is DRUNK DRIVING, NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.