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People in Tenneessee and Mississippi are laughing at us, and with the lottery and casinos they are laughing all the way to the bank. If people wants religion, fine than go to church and leave the rest of us alone. Get, religion out of politics, and politics out of religion, they don't go hand in hand.
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Originally posted by bluesmann:
People in Tenneessee and Mississippi are laughing at us, and with the lottery and casinos they are laughing all the way to the bank. If people wants religion, fine than go to church and leave the rest of us alone. Get, religion out of politics, and politics out of religion, they don't go hand in hand.


Now bluesmann , you know better than to post stuff like this above. All these religious people have got to have something to squabble about. It's ok for ''most'' them to play the stock market , get divorces , commit adultry , have drinking parties , and many more things these religious people do wrong.
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Originally posted by bluesmann:
People in Tenneessee and Mississippi are laughing at us, and with the lottery and casinos they are laughing all the way to the bank. If people wants religion, fine than go to church and leave the rest of us alone. Get, religion out of politics, and politics out of religion, they don't go hand in hand.




Amen
Blues,

Don't you know they have a DUTY to save your sinful soul? Same with the Muslims, only they are willing to kill you if you don't do The Right Thing. Come to think of it, some christians are, too. For instance, there's a vaccine for sexually-transmitted cervical cancer that certain evangelicals do not want administered because they think it will lead to premarital sex.

One reason I left the South is because of the glassy-eyed newly Born Again who grab you by the lapels and, spit flying, demand to know if you're "saved by the blood" or some such nonsense. That's when I balled up my fist and told them they were about to experience some blood. Another is the smugness of those in the Proper churches, and their gleeful influencing of other people's lives.

Have times changed there? On this forum, I see atheists, a wiccan, people like you who keep their religion personal. Has the South come kicking and screaming into the 1950's with regard to religion, or is mine wishful thinking?

DF
Politics and religion go hand in hand. It makes sense when 90% of the country believes or practices some type of religion. The key is for them to coexist with being taken over by the other. I think that the religions should not try to force their opinions over the constitution and that the politicians should not try to eliminate people's right to celebrate their beliefs. There is the extreme 10% on each side of this issue that make life miserable for those in the middle who rely on common sense and a mixture of government and religion to live their lives.
OMG (so to speak)!

"Politics and religion go hand in hand"?!? Ever hear of the Dark Ages?

Perhaps the most brilliant and foresighted element of the Bill of Rights is separation of church and state. And nobody's trying to eliminate anyone's right to worship, just making sure the government isn't paying for it.

Some of my more radical atheist friends grouse whenever they see Xmas decorations on streetlamps, etc. I don't, since I figure they're just trying to rachet up retail sales.

DF
The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear in the Bill of Rights. That was written by Thomas Jefferson in a letter. The first amendment says that congress shall make no law establishing a religion, nor prohibiting the exercise thereof. This means that our federal government will not have a national religion like England and other European countries did. It also means our federal government will not pass legislature prohibiting the practice of any faith. I don't want government interfering with religion and I don't want religion interfering with government. What I do want is for everyone to have the freedom to openly express themselves regardless of belief without being sued or attacked. This isn't what we are seeing today. Christianity is being persecuted under the idea that "separation of church and state" is part of our constitution and that freedom from religion is a right, in reality neither are true.
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"Thus my faith grew that my beautiful dream for the future would become reality after all, even though this might require long years". "The human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of religious belief". "I can simply use religion as a means of control". Adolf Hitler, made all three of these statements.


So how is that relative to the discussion?
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it was Hitler's belief that he could control people's lives by the used of religion. Just like the moral majority tried, Pat Robinson, Jerry Farwell, Christian Coalition and some of the others.


Yes, but he didn't use religion to control the people. He used hatred and contempt of a religion to control the people. The first step was rallying against Jews and forcing them to practice their faith out of public sight. Sound familiar? Sure Pat Robinson & Jerry Falwell try to influence politics by using religion, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that they're simply nuts. I have no respect for either one of those people and Christians who have enough to think for themselves simply ignore them. However, just like pba, there are some people who need an opinion provided for them and these are the people who seek out Robertson & Falwell.
A good preacher doesn't tell you how you are supposed to live your life. A good preacher helps you learn what God says about living a good life. No one is perfect, everyone has their vices and things they struggle with, even Christians. Sure there are people out there using religion to get rich, but are they really helping people? There are a lot more preachers and ministers living very modestly who have devoted their lives to helping people, not helping themselves get rich like TBN. They struggle and make mistakes, but that's the whole point of Christianity, knowing we're forgiven when we mess up.

I refuse to watch TBN by the way, those people are nuts.
What about it? I've said before that Pat Robertson does not represent me nor the majority of Christians. What does his gambling have to do with anything. Besides, you say you're against people shoving their beliefs down on others. Would you not say that removing any symbol of Christianity from public view and preventing Christians from expressing their beliefs is not shoving atheism down on them?
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Originally posted by NashBama:
What about it? I've said before that Pat Robertson does not represent me nor the majority of Christians. What does his gambling have to do with anything. Besides, you say you're against people shoving their beliefs down on others. Would you not say that removing any symbol of Christianity from public view and preventing Christians from expressing their beliefs is not shoving atheism down on them?

I don't have a problem with any religion or lack of.I don't mind nativity scenes,etc.,but I would bet that if a pentagram was placed in a public place the religious right would be demanding that it be removed.
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I don't have a problem with any religion or lack of.I don't mind nativity scenes,etc.,but I would bet that if a pentagram was placed in a public place the religious right would be demanding that it be removed.


If the majority of the community was Wiccan then they have the right to express their community beliefs. A Christian who is a minority in a predominately Wiccan community would have no more right to demand it's removal than an Atheist in a predominately Christian community. The first amendment says we have the right to express our religion, whatever religion that may be.
Being a Christian does not mean a person is religious. It means he/she has confessed their sins with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus was raised from the dead. A Christian has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

A religous person is someone who thinks that works will get them into heaven. They believe that doing things like being good on Sunday, reading the Bible, or helping little old ladies across the street will secure their place in eternity.

Jesus spoke harshly of religious people because they were more concerned with tradition and ceramony.

Christians go to church to worship Jesus and be with other like minded people to fellowship, as the Bible instructs us to. However, if a church tells you that to get to heaven you have to practice their religion, then run as fast as you can.

Grouping Christians with the religous is not right. That would be like me grouping all non-believers with devil worshippers.

I agree that we do not need religion in politics. However, I do believe we need more Christians in political offices.
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What if the Islam, Hindu, Buddhism wanted their share of the politics. What if the Catholics, the Mormons and Orthodox faiths, etc. wanted their view on politics. This is a free country, so why not get every religion, not just the Protestants view points on poltics. If you were Islam, and had the money, you could have many wives, if you were I think Hindu, you can't kill no cows. Here again politcs and religions don't work. "Give to Caesar what is Ceasar, and give to God what is God's". I don't beleive Jesus was into politics, nor did he imposed his beliefs on others.


Not sure what you're talking about. What do you mean by religions wanting their share of politics? As I've said before, I think religion should stay out of the government and vice versa. I also believe that people have the right to express their religious beliefs freely.
"Give to Caesar what is Ceasar, and give to God what is God's". I don't beleive Jesus was into politics, nor did he imposed his beliefs on others.
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Jesus was cruxified for spreading his beliefs. No he did not force people to follow him, instead he gave us free will. The Give to Caesar quote was not about politics but rather being obedient and giving of your first fruits to the Lord. In other words, if you make $1000 and the government takes $200, you should still tithe on the $1000 that you made and not $800.

This is another reason Christians attend church. You can learn a lot about this stuff from a good Sunday School teacher.
I believe that tithing was to be for the works of the Lord. I don't think people should blindly give their money to churches. If I recall correctly wasn't a Church described as two or more gathered in the Lord's name? I am not a Christian,but I do my tithing for good works. I don't give money so the preacher of some church can drive a cadillac or go on a vacation to the Bahamas. My monies are spent buying groceries for the senior lady on a fixed income and no one to look after her, paying someones utility bill when they have lost their job, donating pet food and blankets to the animal shelters. I take the time to know that my money is spent where it is most needed.
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"Jesus was cruxified for spreading his beliefs. No he did not force people to follow him, instead he gave us free will. The Give to Caesar quote was not about politics but rather being obedient and giving of your first fruits to the Lord. In other words, if you make $1000 and the government takes $200, you should still tithe on the $1000 that you made and not $800."
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Originally posted by yankeewitch:
I don't give money so the preacher of some church can drive a cadillac or go on a vacation to the Bahamas. My monies are spent buying groceries for the senior lady on a fixed income and no one to look after her, paying someones utility bill when they have lost their job, donating pet food and blankets to the animal shelters. I take the time to know that my money is spent where it is most needed.




matthew 18:20
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Originally posted by NashBama:

If the majority of the community was Wiccan then they have the right to express their community beliefs. A Christian who is a minority in a predominately Wiccan community would have no more right to demand it's removal than an Atheist in a predominately Christian community. The first amendment says we have the right to express our religion, whatever religion that may be.


So only the majority religion actually has any rights to expression? That seems to be what you are saying.
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
"Give to Caesar what is Ceasar, and give to God what is God's". I don't beleive Jesus was into politics, nor did he imposed his beliefs on others.
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Jesus was cruxified for spreading his beliefs. No he did not force people to follow him, instead he gave us free will. The Give to Caesar quote was not about politics but rather being obedient and giving of your first fruits to the Lord. In other words, if you make $1000 and the government takes $200, you should still tithe on the $1000 that you made and not $800.

This is another reason Christians attend church. You can learn a lot about this stuff from a good Sunday School teacher.
Mr. Hooberbloob, I was raised in a Secular Humanist Congregation, and I went to Sunday School there, I actually learned about Chain Reactions in a Nuclear Power Plant, and the inner workings of a pump organ in that Sunday School, I also learned reasons for telling the truth, Like an Exposed Lie destroys any truth that accompanies it. I learned that Fair, Honest, and mutually beneficial business dealings would help me to prosper.

Much of what I know of Honor, Pride, self reliance and honesty I learned at the dinner table, and in the daily life of my family. I don't depend on submission to an overseer for my self image. I expect to be held responsible for my actions, and when I do harm to another I make it right.

Christianity did not teach me any of this. Experience and observation of real life did.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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So only the majority religion actually has any rights to expression? That seems to be what you are saying.


No, I didn't say that at all. Read the last sentence, I think you missed it.


I didn't miss it, it just seemed to contradict the previous ones. They read as if only the majority have the right to a public display.
My point is that everyone has the right to express themselves freely. If a town wants to put up a Christmas tree and one atheist objects to it, the atheist shouldn't have the power to force the town to take it down. The atheist has the right to express his beliefs just as the Christians or any other religion, but those beliefs should not be forced on others. That's not what we see today, it's the opposite. A minority faith demanding the removal of religious symbols is a form of intolerance and a way of preventing another faith from expressing themselves, and that's simply wrong. It doesn't matter if you're the only Christian in a Jewish community, you should be able to express your beliefs just as much as the Jewish people among you.
Mr. Hooberbloob, I was raised in a Secular Humanist Congregation, and I went to Sunday School there, I actually learned about Chain Reactions in a Nuclear Power Plant, and the inner workings of a pump organ in that Sunday School, I also learned reasons for telling the truth, Like an Exposed Lie destroys any truth that accompanies it. I learned that Fair, Honest, and mutually beneficial business dealings would help me to prosper.

Much of what I know of Honor, Pride, self reliance and honesty I learned at the dinner table, and in the daily life of my family. I don't depend on submission to an overseer for my self image. I expect to be held responsible for my actions, and when I do harm to another I make it right.

Christianity did not teach me any of this. Experience and observation of real life did.
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I'm happy that you are a good person. However, this goes back to what I said earlier that people can not work their way into heaven. Jesus came and died for our sins. Unless someone accepts that and is born again he/she has lived a good life, then dies and will not enter heaven. Just like the rich man who approached Jesus and said he followed all the laws of the world but wanted to know how to get to heaven. Jesus said to sell everything and give to the poor, then follow him. He did not say just keep being a good person.

Back to the tithing thing. God does not need our money as he already owns everything. Christians tithe out of obediance. If a church is misusing the tithes, it will eventually be made known public. This does not happen as much as many people try to make you think. I have found that because of my tithing my finances have become more fruitful. When my wife quit a lucrative job after our first child, we effectively took a 50 percent pay cut. We never stopped tithing. In less than one year my salary increased by 25%. Then by the next year it increased another 25% and we were back to pre-baby salary. God rewarded me for being obediant, not for what my tithe was doing.

Nashbama - good pics. We were created by God. I don't know what mechanism he used to create this earth, but it was created by him. When I saw my children born it removed all doubt that there is a God who loves me and will take care of me no matter what.
I thought this was about getting religion out of politics? Why does the church try to stop others from doing what they want to? If the majority want casinos,bingo,and drinking on Sunday, why do the churches try their best to stop it? The answer I come up with is, that they are scared that someone is going to spend a dollar that they think should be put in their collection plates.People can believe what they want just don't try to force me to believe the same.You keep your beliefs to yourself and I will do the same. It is my money and the church sure as s**t ain't getting it and I want to play bingo! If you don't want to play bingo or get drunk- DON"T, just don't tell me I can't!
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Originally posted by just saying:
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Originally posted by yankeewitch:
I don't give money so the preacher of some church can drive a cadillac or go on a vacation to the Bahamas. My monies are spent buying groceries for the senior lady on a fixed income and no one to look after her, paying someones utility bill when they have lost their job, donating pet food and blankets to the animal shelters. I take the time to know that my money is spent where it is most needed.




matthew 18:20



YW, I totally agree... In the past, there have been some posts here on the forum about religion and stuff, and I have explained myself several times.

bluesman has a good post, and I agree that in NO WAY should politics and religion should be mixed, but his message has gotten lost in the 'shuffle' here... YES every State around us thinks we are nuts for no Lottery, all the while banking OUR monies for Lottery tickets, and Casino's in Mississippi... We are nothing but a JOKE to them, but they are afraid to laugh too loud, they are afraid that WE WILL vote things in to help OUR State. I predict that within the next 10 years, Alabama will be so close to the BOTTOM in schools, roads, and jobs that we will all be speechless... Heck fire, we are almost there already... and I DO NOT want our State to sink badly just because our surrounding States are getting OUR TAX DOLLARS!!!... ya know?

Although I am a Christian, I irks me to hear a CANDIDATE get up and PREACH how religous they are, when in fact, their religion will NEVER be brought to the "table" so to speak. Just WHO are they trying to impress? Certainly NOT me!!!

People in Politics should make a FIRM STANCE on our Country and the running of it, but to bring religion into it seems sacreligious to me!!!!

What a PERSON belives in religiously is of NO consequence in running this country.

And I do have to add (No BOO's PLEASE, LOL) That President Dubbya ran religion into the ground on his campaigns, and so far, I see NOTHING in him that the Bible calls "Christlike"... NOTHING!!!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by excelman:
I recall when I was a kid in a dry county, the preacher in my church one sunday preached against the deamon alcohol. In the course , he named all the bootleggers in town.
About a week later, one of those bootleggers called the preacher and thanked him. Said his business had more than doubled.
This is a true story![/QU

No wonder bluesman don't want sindlemaster2007 to sell his fine wine business in TN. LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by dogsmaster:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by excelman:
I recall when I was a kid in a dry county, the preacher in my church one sunday preached against the deamon alcohol. In the course , he named all the bootleggers in town.
About a week later, one of those bootleggers called the preacher and thanked him. Said his business had more than doubled.
This is a true story![/QU

No wonder bluesman don't want sindlemaster2007 to sell his fine wine business in TN. LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!


LOL dogsmaster!!!
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Originally posted by yankeewitch:
DeepFat,
Sorry but times haven't changed much here in the south.That is the reason I don't talk much about being a Wiccan-might find myself being burned at the stake!


Yw, no way!!! I bet all of us have friends who have Wiccan friends... I like you, I think you add a lot to the forum, and I think the south did away with stakes a long time ago.. hehe Just kidding!!!!

You are a good person and it doesn't matter to me a bit what your belief system is!!! Smiler

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