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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Blues,

Don't you know they have a DUTY to save your sinful soul? Same with the Muslims, only they are willing to kill you if you don't do The Right Thing. Come to think of it, some christians are, too. For instance, there's a vaccine for sexually-transmitted cervical cancer that certain evangelicals do not want administered because they think it will lead to premarital sex.

One reason I left the South is because of the glassy-eyed newly Born Again who grab you by the lapels and, spit flying, demand to know if you're "saved by the blood" or some such nonsense. That's when I balled up my fist and told them they were about to experience some blood. Another is the smugness of those in the Proper churches, and their gleeful influencing of other people's lives.

Have times changed there? On this forum, I see atheists, a wiccan, people like you who keep their religion personal. Has the South come kicking and screaming into the 1950's with regard to religion, or is mine wishful thinking?

DF


DeepFat... if you watch the news or read the papers, killing is NOT limited to Christians, and a TRUE Christian will not kill. Most things I ever see is the person convicted of killing turns Christian IN jail... and I usually am a little suspicious of that.

And if you think the south is the ONLY place that have fanatics, then you are wrong. Fanatics come in all societies, all cities, towns, counties and States....

I am a Christian, and if you asked, I would gladly share with you what I know, but if you did not mention it, or ask for it, I wouldn't force it upon you.

You are putting a "BLANKET" statement on what cannot be a blanket statement...

I feel as though my belief in God, and my Christianity is personal, and I don't go around 'wearing a sign'... I know deep in my heart where I stand with God, and that is all I need to know, and I have never forced anyone to my way of thinking... people have the right to feel, believe and think what they want to and it is none of my business...

Hope this made sense, lol.
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I recall when I was a kid in a dry county, the preacher in my church one sunday preached against the deamon alcohol. In the course , he named all the bootleggers in town.
About a week later, one of those bootleggers called the preacher and thanked him. Said his business had more than doubled.


It's funny, how did the preacher know all the names of the bootleggers? How did one of them know his number? I'm guessing that preacher was a customer himself.
I thought this was about getting religion out of politics? Why does the church try to stop others from doing what they want to? If the majority want casinos,bingo,and drinking on Sunday, why do the churches try their best to stop it? The answer I come up with is, that they are scared that someone is going to spend a dollar that they think should be put in their collection plates.People can believe what they want just don't try to force me to believe the same.You keep your beliefs to yourself and I will do the same. It is my money and the church sure as **** ain't getting it and I want to play bingo! If you don't want to play bingo or get drunk- DON"T, just don't tell me I can't!
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The majority does not want the lottery. That was evidenced by the state wide vote. Also, the church is made up of people who have no financial stake in it. I have never recieved a dividend or interest from my investments to the church and I doubt anybody else has either. Our preacher recieves a salary only. No bonuses or stock options.

The problem with the lottery is that we are relying on sin to save the day. Instead we should be praying that God opens the flood gates of Heaven and pours blessings down on us. If we are not asking for it, how can we expect to recieve anything? Personally, I would rather recieve a supernatural gift over a natural gift anyday of the week.
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Hoobs,

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The problem with the lottery is that we are relying on sin to save the day. Instead we should be praying that God opens the flood gates of Heaven and pours blessings down on us. If we are not asking for it, how can we expect to recieve anything? Personally, I would rather recieve a supernatural gift over a natural gift anyday of the week.


This is precisely the reason why religion should be kept out of politics, and viewed skeptically in general. Such attitudes are regressive and backwards.

The same attitude inspired the clergy to renounce Ben Franklin's lightning rods as sinful, as only god should decide which buildings are safe from his thunderbolts. Need I mention Copernicus?

You'll be waiting for god to cure your illness. The rest of us will take some medicine.

DF
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The majority does not want the lottery. That was evidenced by the state wide vote. Also, the church is made up of people who have no financial stake in it. I have never recieved a dividend or interest from my investments to the church and I doubt anybody else has either. Our preacher recieves a salary only. No bonuses or stock options.

The problem with the lottery is that we are relying on sin to save the day. Instead we should be praying that God opens the flood gates of Heaven and pours blessings down on us. If we are not asking for it, how can we expect to recieve anything? Personally, I would rather recieve a supernatural gift over a natural gift anyday of the week.


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I believe you are wrong in that the majority of the citizens in the state don't want the lottery as evidenced by the vote. I personally know about 200 people, who didn't vote that day that were for the lottery but just thought it would pass. There should be a re-vote on a presidental ballot. Too few show up on special elections giving the advantage to the side that is best organized like churches.
Now for the second part--
Why in the world would you say that the lottery or gambling in general is sin? Where did that come from? I can tell you for sure, it did not come from the Bible. You just can't decide that some action you don't approve of is sin! A lot of people think that drinking alcohol is a sin, but it just is not, and some ignorant preacher saying so does not make it so! Over indulgence (food or alcohol) , yes- normal consumption- no
I suggest that if you listen to a preacher that just makes up sins and then preaches against them, you should find someone to listen to that is educated, and actually knows the scripture.

Think I'll go get a gin and tonic now.
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
The majority does not want the lottery. That was evidenced by the state wide vote. Also, the church is made up of people who have no financial stake in it. I have never recieved a dividend or interest from my investments to the church and I doubt anybody else has either. Our preacher recieves a salary only. No bonuses or stock options.


To be accurate, only the majority of the people who voted did not want the lottery. A real majority of the people can only happen if the # of no votes cast was an actual majority of potential voters.

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The problem with the lottery is that we are relying on sin to save the day. Instead we should be praying that God opens the flood gates of Heaven and pours blessings down on us. If we are not asking for it, how can we expect to recieve anything? Personally, I would rather recieve a supernatural gift over a natural gift anyday of the week.


Please explain why a lottery is sin. It is merely a high-risk investment. Like other high-risk investments, the higher the risk, the bigger the return. If you believe a lottery is a sin, then please explain how you justify any investment? Or is it only a sin if the risk is higher than a certain level?
The turnout for Alabama's Lottery vote was about 50%, fairly high considering that No State or national election was being held.

The margin was 54% against, 46% in favor.

Slightly more than one quarter of the voters cast ballots against the Lottery, fewer than 1/4 favored the measure, and about half had no opinion.
http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeI...Id=1&contentId=13835


Income from the lottery was to pay for merit scholarships, and Income from a lottery is NO GAMBLE. Lotteries ALWAYS make money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Education_Lottery

What, by the way, is the sin in a lottery? Which of the ten commandments say Thou Shalt Not risk anything for great gain?
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
I thought this was about getting religion out of politics? Why does the church try to stop others from doing what they want to? If the majority want casinos,bingo,and drinking on Sunday, why do the churches try their best to stop it? The answer I come up with is, that they are scared that someone is going to spend a dollar that they think should be put in their collection plates.People can believe what they want just don't try to force me to believe the same.You keep your beliefs to yourself and I will do the same. It is my money and the church sure as s**t ain't getting it and I want to play bingo! If you don't want to play bingo or get drunk- DON"T, just don't tell me I can't!
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The majority does not want the lottery. That was evidenced by the state wide vote. Also, the church is made up of people who have no financial stake in it. I have never recieved a dividend or interest from my investments to the church and I doubt anybody else has either. Our preacher recieves a salary only. No bonuses or stock options.

The problem with the lottery is that we are relying on sin to save the day. Instead we should be praying that God opens the flood gates of Heaven and pours blessings down on us. If we are not asking for it, how can we expect to recieve anything? Personally, I would rather recieve a supernatural gift over a natural gift anyday of the week.


Yes, I echo what Deep Fat said!!!

"Using sin to bail us out of debt?" Sinning is NOT gambling, if it were, then get your law enforcement to go to all the Churches and take away their Bingo supplies, it is the SAME thing!!!

What is WRONG here is that the Churches are the ones who want to tell grown people what to do with their money, and WHEN to do it, such as their collection plates.

I am a Christian, and I firmly believe that politics and Religion HAS to be separated for things to run as smooth as possible.

I do not like "ORGANIZED" Religion for that VERY reason... My belief is private and personal, and I don't have to have a MAN in a pulpit tell me if I want to buy Lottery tickets with MY OWN money... It is none of his business, that is between God and myself.

People also say drinking is a sin, and in the Bible it clearly says that DRUNKARDNESS is what the sin is, not the drinking. Jesus Christ made wine ...

This whole argument just backs up the points of keeping POLITICS on one table and RELIGION on the other table.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
The turnout for Alabama's Lottery vote was about 50%, fairly high considering that No State or national election was being held.

The margin was 54% against, 46% in favor.

Slightly more than one quarter of the voters cast ballots against the Lottery, fewer than 1/4 favored the measure, and about half had no opinion.
http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeI...Id=1&contentId=13835


Income from the lottery was to pay for merit scholarships, and Income from a lottery is NO GAMBLE. Lotteries ALWAYS make money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Education_Lottery

What, by the way, is the sin in a lottery? Which of the ten commandments say Thou Shalt Not risk anything for great gain?



Good post, EdeKit!!!! I happen to know (personally) one so-called preacher which I ONCE respected that took thousands of dollars from TUNICA MISSISSIPPI to keep the vote AGAINST gambling/lottery in Alabama.

I went to him and his wife and was honest about what I thought... I told them to preach AGAINST something they think is a sin, WHILE TAKING MONEY from them to do so is hypocritical, at best. I told him and her both that what THEY did was the sin.... And I think I was right about telling them too, because at the time I was going to their church and my pledge was at least 10 % of my income....

That was the day I stopped with the ORGANIZED Religion!!!
Like some of you have said above. I think the MAJORITY of the people actually WANTED the Lottery, but like in a lot of elections, they thought that by them NOT making it to the polls it wouldn't hurt anything, enough would vote FOR it to help our schools..... I think they realize the error of their ways about voting now, and if we can EVER get it back out there, it just may be a whole different story.

I think whatever politician DOES put it on the table for a vote should also include Casino's... THAT way there is NO ILLEGAL gambling going on... and the State gets the revenue.. If it were made legal, it would have laws of regulations.

Right now, there is so much illegal gambling going on that we probably have NO idea about...

And why should Miss. Tenn. Georgia and Florida get ALL OUR tax dollars instead of voting it in and letting Alabama get the monies?????
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Yes, I echo what Deep Fat said!!!

"Using sin to bail us out of debt?" Sinning is NOT gambling, if it were, then get your law enforcement to go to all the Churches and take away their Bingo supplies, it is the SAME thing!!!

What is WRONG here is that the Churches are the ones who want to tell grown people what to do with their money, and WHEN to do it, such as their collection plates.

I am a Christian, and I firmly believe that politics and Religion HAS to be separated for things to run as smooth as possible.

I do not like "ORGANIZED" Religion for that VERY reason... My belief is private and personal, and I don't have to have a MAN in a pulpit tell me if I want to buy Lottery tickets with MY OWN money... It is none of his business, that is between God and myself.

People also say drinking is a sin, and in the Bible it clearly says that DRUNKARDNESS is what the sin is, not the drinking. Jesus Christ made wine ...

This whole argument just backs up the points of keeping POLITICS on one table and RELIGION on the other table.


Well said. I agree.

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