Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
Originally Posted by gbrk:
My opinion is that many/some that are such adamant fighters against anything religion or specifically anything perceived as Christian are doing so in hopes to silence that inner call they are feeling. That inner conviction that just shouldn't be there but is. That Conviction of the Holy Spirit of God trying to get your attention yet you are so hostile to God or the thought of God you reach out to strike out at anything you perceive to be Christian or representing a higher power in hopes by somehow conquering or prevailong over that you can quieten that inner call within longing to know the Creator of your soul/spirit and longing for reconciliation to God. You somehow feel by overcoming someone who represents God, whether it's Church, a Preacher, or a person that calls themselves Christian that you can defeat and silence God, by proxy. Sorry but that cannot be done. If God is dealing with you personally nothing but direct communication and talking with God will satisfy that longing and that inner calling that you are feeling and experiencing.
I have seen you post this assumption several times before. So, just to be clear "I" am not fighting some inner call from God.
To me this is simple Constitutional law. Nothing more or less. I don't care if it were a court making the convicted choose between attending services at the local Babtists or the local Mosque. I would still be opposed to it. Based solely on the unconstitutional manner of it all. Religion has absolutely no place in our government. Local, state, or Federal. It is a personal choice that should be made freely. What you or anyone else does in your PRIVATE life is protected under the Constitution. If you keep wanting to mix the two together and succeed we will no longer be living in a democracy. I for one am against any other alternatives.
I have actually never met an atheist that has the attitude or reasoning that you describe here. I have no idea why you would come to such a conclusion. It is far fetched and completely unsubstantiated. Personally I have no reason to spend my life trying to disprove your God. What I am vehemently opposed to is you and many other Christians believing that you have special rights or privileges that others in this country do not. That is what I fight against. Not the idea of the deity or the practices, but the encroachment of Christianity in places it has no business being. Got it? You can stop worrying about all that other non-sense now.
So, if my personal suspicion, that I applied to a generic "some" that post on here, does not apply to you why do you take such pains to answer to it? My feelings I expressed here, as you alluded to, were expressed on other subjects so naturally it wasn't tied just to this post or topic. As for this topic and my assertion that it does not violate the Federal Constitution it is not forcing religion on anyone but rather offering it as a choice. ( A Choice ). Some of you seem upset that was one choice and not offering community choice instead of Church. Is this then not an issue for those electorate who elect the judge? Seems like they are the ones who should have the say. I still don't think it violates the constitution. There is plenty going on in the Nation today that definitely does and at the federal level yet no one worries about that.
If I had meant my comments for any specific person I would have named them what intrigues me is how quick you dismiss that this could apply to someone here?
We, I, other Christians are not looking for any special rights or privileges but there have been request, simple request, of some of the unbelievers or atheist to allow us to discuss a subject we wanted to discuss that was of a religious nature and in the Religion forum and do so un-occusted by the heckling or demeaning comments about how stupid we were for believing in in God or the Bible, yet that request is too much to expect for we don't have that right, apparently. Some of us dare to be confrontational and defend our faith by speaking back and calling your actions out and daring to assume that possibly there may be some reason for those actions and yet again we are doing something terrible. Here is something you typed at the end, of your post.
That is what I fight against. Not the idea of the deity or the practices, but the encroachment of Christianity in places it has no business being. Got it?
You fight against the encroachment of Christianity in places it has no business? No Place or where Christianity is not relevant? Could there be an analogy here? How many atheist and, adverse to Christianity and Religion, non-believers here in the Religion forum strongly protesting against anything Christian or Religious? Demeaning remarks about anyone who takes a stand for Christ. How about making entering any and every topic regardless of it's subject and if the subject is relevant in order to demean Christians and tell us how stupid we are or how stupid our God is and how silly our Bible is all while not believing in God or anything to do with Religion.
We Christians start to fight for a right to discuss that which is near and dear to us and not be harassed for our Belief and we receive all kinds of accusations against us as if we are doing something wrong. I make a suggestion that there might be a reason for these attacks or harassment and even though it doesn't apply to you and I specified no specific person yet look at the reactions? Here you, above, make the statement that you are fighting against these Christians who encroach in areas we need not be. Who makes that decision? are the Christians who fit this description here? If they are who area they? If you aren't calling out anyone specifically then why be here saying such? Interesting.