Unanswered questions.  Once again, Bill dodges the tough questions.  I guess we will now get a new thread started with a ridiculous dissertation on a slightly related topic. 

LOL! Something tells me this forum is not the place you will find devoted fans.

Gee, I wonder if there are parents -- and wives, children, etc. -- of our military people who are serving in the Middle East right now -- who would want their sons and daughters to NOT SERVE in the military.   I would have to say that the vast majority of parents would keep their children out of the military and out of harm's way -- it it were their choice.

Matter of fact, I don't know of a single parent who would tell their child, "I want you to join the military so people can shoot at you." 

But, if all parents got their wish -- there would be no U. S. military -- and we in America would all be speaking the language of those countries who decided to invade America.  "No, Johnny, I don't want you to join the military.  But, you had better learn to speak German, Chinese, or the Middle Eastern languages so that you can better serve those who take control of America."  Yep.  That is the way we all should think.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, HOW MANY of your children are in the service????

Except for those people who belittle others that didn't go into the military despite the fact none of their own kids or grand kids served. What would we call those people bill?

Bill, how many of your children or grand kids answered the call?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...&feature=related

There were no active wars happening when my Friends and I volunteered in June 1955.  Technically, the Korean War was still alive -- no Peace Treaty had been signed, only a Cease Fire.  But, for all practical purposes, the war was only on hold -- as it is still until this day.

However, several times I did almost end up in both a Korean resurgence and in a Chinese war -- missing the Chinese war by only days or hours.

However, the purpose of a peace-time military -- is to keep our enemies off balance and hesitant to openly attack us.  Thus, we have such events as 9-11.   But, a strong military force is a good deterrent.   So, you could have been useful if you had volunteered.

As I said before, NO PARENT wants their child to enter the military and go into harm's way.  But, if ALL PARENTS kept their kiddies at home -- who would protect the wonderful country we call home?

When my mom saw me and my SHS classmates off at the Greyhound station in Florence, on our way to the Induction Center in Montgomery -- she was crying.  She did not want to see her youngest leaving for the military.  But, she did not stop me when I joined the Air Force.  She gave me her blessing -- as she did for my brother when he entered the Navy.  Did she want us in the military?  No.  But, we went -- like our father and step-father before us, like many in our family went before us.  Like your dad, we served our country.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

  But, if ALL PARENTS kept their kiddies at home -- who would protect the wonderful country we call home?

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Why did you keep your "kiddies" at home instead of letting them protect the wonderful country we call home???

Hi Jennifer,

How about YOU and YOURS?  When and where did you serve?  Oh, yes -- women have been serving in the military since World War 1.   How about your "kiddies" -- when and where did they serve?  Tit for tat?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Tit for tat would infer that you were injured by my question. Why would you be since you have no problem nagging at crusty. I might answer you if you actually answered a question you were ask first, which of course you haven't. Now come on bill, tell us, why didn't your children and grand kids serve?  

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Way to go, Bill. Dodge the question that you have been asked by several of us.

Hi Jennifer,

Not sure how you derive "injury" out of "tit for tat" -- but, whatever turns your wheels. 

But, since I am a Southern Gentleman -- I always allow ladies (even ones I am not sure about) to go first. 

So:

 How about YOU and YOURS?  When and where did you serve?  Oh, yes -- women have been serving in the military since World War 1.   How about your "kiddies" -- when and where did they serve?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Duh!!!!!!

Tit for Tat: Repayment in kind, as for an injury.

But, since I am a Southern Gentleman -- I always allow ladies (even ones I am not sure about) to go first. 

No, a gentlemen answers questions. ( I doubt you've ever been around a lady) I've ask, semi has ask, crusty has ask, and we've all ask more than once. So no, you couldn't be considered a gentleman, and I am sure of that. So I guess we can all chalk it up to the fact you have no answer. Once more you had set out to attack and it blew up in your face.

Meaning

A blow or some other retaliation in return for an injury from another

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/tit-for-tat.html

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He really thinks because he was born here, he's a Southern Gentleman. He doesn't even come close.

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Funny how he tries to make a big deal out of being born in the south but never cared enough about the place to live and raise a family here.

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LOL, it's official, he's cornered and is ready to drop the subject!!

He's getting ready to call it a spitting contest & run to start another topic. What does a coward do when

cornered? Run!

Okay, Bill you are better than me because you served in the military.  At least I'm not a hypocrite. 

Yes he served. He had to serve. But by golly he didn't send his kiddies or grand kiddies off to the military!!

Hi Crusty,

I have no problem with the fact that you did not serve in the military.   A lot of fine people that I know did not.  However, the reason I have been keeping this dialogue open with you is that when I do post, regardless of the content or intent, even when I am praising those, such as 1/Lt. Bob Ford, who have given all in our defense -- you make snide remarks. 

Personally, I believe we owe a great deal of respect and gratitude to those who have died, or been crippled, defending our nation -- and to their families.  When I posted my respects for Bob Ford, you, Jennifer, and Chick immediately began your snide remarks -- and since some of his family still live in the Shoals area and possibly could be reading our posts -- that made me angry.   So, I apologize for allowing this to go on for so long.

Yes, I served, leaving when I was 17 to join the Air Force.  But, I will admit that this choice was probably more for the excitement than for patriotic duty.  Yes, I came close to being in a Chinese war -- and it did scare the pee out of me. 

But, my Friend, Bob Ford, had served his full year in Korea/Formosa and should have been transferred back to the states.  However, because he was being assigned to Wright-Patterson AFB to attend the University of Illinois to get his master's degree in engineering -- they held him over another month.  It was during that month that he was killed.

To make thing worse, the Air Force gave his wife a runaround about his death -- claiming security reasons.  Yet, 50 years later, when no security was involved -- the Pentagon would still not release a report that was not heavily censored.  And, I took her case all the way to the Secretary of the Air Force and to the White House. 

But, with all their silly games, we did discover that Bob was killed because of a ridiculous mistake.  He was flying a refurbished plane from the Mitsubishi plant in Japan, back to Korea.  The Air Force maintenance tech at Mitsubishi installed the wrong fuel tank mounts on the plane.  The tech installed mounting hardware for 120 gallon tanks -- but, then installed 200 gallon tanks on the plane.

When Bob was flying back to Osan Air Base, Korea -- he did a high speed, low level pass over Kunsan Air Base (a procedure many pilots did) -- and when he was 500 feet over the base, at 500 mph, and pulled up -- the under-supported wing tank broke off causing his F-86F to flip over.  At that speed, at such a low level, he never had a chance to eject.    Less than 50 pounds of a 230 pound man was shipped home for burial at Arlington National Cemetery. 

Bob was an exceptional man, a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy -- whose desire was to earn his Ph.d. in Engineering and use that to serve our nation in the Air Force.  But, his life was cut short, leaving a young widow with two small children.  In over 50 years, Libby, a very attractive woman -- never married again.  She had and lost her one love.  And, she was so happy to live to see her granddaughter, Laura, earn her Ph.d. and fulfill her dream of becoming a Forensic Scientist.  This is why I say this is an exceptional family.  And, this is why I defended them against snide remarks which were aimed at me -- but, hit them.

1/Lt. Robert A. Ford, Jr. Memorial Web Site:    www.Bob-Ford-Memorial.com

So, I will end my participation in this discussion with this.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

BOB & LIBBY - FIRST DATE AT NAVAL ACADEMY

BURIED TOGETHER - ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY

Wow, he's still going on about this? What a weird fixation he has for this man.

I have no problem with the fact that you did not serve in the military.   A lot of fine people that I know did not.  However, the reason I have been keeping this dialogue open with you is that when I do post, regardless of the content or intent, even when I am praising those, such as 1/Lt. Bob Ford, who have given all in our defense -- you make snide remarks. 

The "snide" remark he made was in stating this didn't belong in the religion section. Then you got all in a snit and started demanding to know if he served or if he was like clinton and obama. Oh you had a problem, but it was because you got called on something. Everyone was unpatriotic if they didn't serve, that is until we ask about your family. Then all of a sudden you started back tracking. Now you say you have no problem with it? You say a lot of fine people didn't serve? Odd thing since all your other posts have been about how it's a duty. BTW, you never did tell us where your kids served, and where your grand kids are stationed, branch of the military etc?  If you did I missed it. And I was wondering too, why didn't you go to vietnam? 

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Wow! For someone who had no problem that Crusty didn’t serve in the military, you were sure giving him Hell about it.

Yes, we do owe respect & gratitude to those who have died, or been crippled, defending our nation, not just one as you chose to do but ALL of them.

If that family is reading these post, they will easily see who was the fault finder & who chose to put down others that didn’t serve.

How many times have you told us you served, & at 17? Are we supposed to kneel at your feet? I’m sure there are many men on this forum that served but do you see them bragging like you do? If you had the pee scared of you just getting close, no telling what you would have done if you had gotten more than close.

There you go bragging again. Are we supposed to be impressed that you took her case all the way to the Secretary of the Air Force and to the White House? 

No, you defended because we weren’t impressed & you didn’t get the recognition you wanted. We didn’t hit that family in any way. Our post was directed at you, not anyone else.

We all know why you are ending your participation in this discussion. Your refusal to tell us if your children or grandchildren served or are serving in the military is out there for everyone to see. Of course, your refusal to answer is an answer in itself.

You can make fun & put others down but when faced with the question of your own family, you turn tail & run.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I've ask, semi has ask, crusty has ask, and we've all ask more than once.

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Originally Posted by O No!:

Jennifer, the past tense of "ask" is ASKED. Not that it has anything to do with this thread, but I just thought someone ought to point that out to you.

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I've done that before too. Usually from typing to fast or not paying any attention. I think we all are capable of misspelling, or using the wrong word. I know I am.

Semi, I really wasn't trying to pick on Jennifer (this time   ). But I've noticed in a LOT of her posts that she leaves off the "ed" on that word. I don't usually see many typo's in her posts, and I have already stated that her intelligence shows on this forum. It just started bugging me so I thought I'd mention it. Lord knows I have typo's and misspellings in a lot of my posts too, but like I said, every time I see that, I stumble over it and have to read the sentence a couple of times. No harm intended. Just thought I'd point it out.

"Wag the dog" accusations are speculative, unproven, and couched in wingnut political bias.   I care not who was "leading" any war, conflict, or buccaneering misadventure.  Too often, this nation has ventured into unnecessary, unproductive, and unjustifiable  wars, going back at least as far as our imperialistic takeover of the Philippines.

Hi Con/Beter,

Now, why does this not surprise me?  Yes, I can look back at the photos of hippies on the street -- spitting on returning military people who had protected their sorry butts -- many giving their lives to protect our brave home front hippie battalion.  And, in my mind -- I can see you among them.

Now I can see why you are such an Obama supporter.   No, my Friend, none of this surprises me.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Remember now contendah, bill "served". Granted he HAD to serve, and it was peacetime, but we're supposed to overlook those little facts. AND contendah, if you have children that didn't serve, shame on them, even though bill's kids and grand kids didn't serve either. Seems like the gray family's  patriotism only goes as far as it's required by law.

LOL

I've never seen anybody who can pwn himself over and over again-and still not realize it.

So......What flavor ARE them shoes, BeeG?

 You can't take anything away from our military, but at the same time there is no reason to belittle anyone that doesn't choose it for a career. People like bill don't realize that it has nothing to do with patriotism or bravery. How many millions of people work every day to make our lives safer and healthier? The man/woman that didn't choose to join the military could well be a police officer facing danger every day, or they could be the research scientist that is trying to develop a cure for cancer. We couldn't even begin to list all the things people do for our benefit. Anyone ever walk up to a police officer or EMT and thank them for what they do? How about firemen, ever thank them? Bill will of course say he does but I seriously doubt he even gives them a thought unless he needs them, then he just takes it for granted that those people will lay down their lives to protect and save his. Makes me wonder what he'd say to them if they hadn't "served this great country" in the military.