Still, just because you said "God bless" doesn't mean this goes in the religion forum. 

Hi all,

Now, how did I know that Crusty would complain?   Like slush after the snow melts -- old Crusty is dependable in his complaints.   Can't give him too much credit for anything else -- but, he never misses an opportunity to complain.  Atta boy, Crusty!

I guess some folks are never happy!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

It's still a pertinent post especially after the Florence boy just lost both his legs. Thanks, Bill.

It's still not religion

As long as you insist on posting non-religion topics in the religion forum, it is a no-brainer (which means even you should grasp it) that I will point it out.  All you had to do was post in a relevant forum, and I would have said something along the lines that we need to remember all of our vets this veterans day, including you Bill.  Thank you for your service against the Red Horde.

Hi all,

When a soldier loses his/her life, loses one or more limbs, or loses his/her grasp on life through emotional illnesses -- I can think of no better place to honor them than in a Forum where the most Christians hang out.  All others are welcome also -- but, I will always honor them here.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

You're a complete idiot, Bill

I get it now, Bill.  God has let these people down by not vanquishing their foes.  And you want to point that out to them.

It is altogether too sad that those brave wounded warriors coming back from Iraq were sent in harm's way and damaged permanently in a war that was unnecessary.

So, are we to assume that you BRAVE THREE were draft dodgers or hid out on a college campus or in Canada -- while OTHERS fought to protect your family and freedoms?  So be it. 

I suppose you can join your leaders -- Obama and Clinton -- both who were like you, dodging the draft and hiding out.  Now I know why you voted for them -- birds of a feather?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

 Do you even "hear" yourself? I mean seriously. All this because you're in a snit because they said this didn't belong in the religion forum. Pitiful. And btw, do the people whose names and personal business you keep putting in here know you're doing that?

Bill, should we assume that your mental capacity is so diminished that you cannot distinguish which topics to post under. Should we also assume that you are a self-righteous, egotistical, misinformed dolt as you demonstrate everyday. As far as accusing anyone of draft-dodging, all I can say is what are you talking about? How could a sane person arrive at an assumption from what has been said? That would be like us assuming you were a pedophile because you post here.

thanks for a great post Bill. very appropriate in religion. and i'm the final word in this crowd to declare that.

Now we have the BRAVE THREE plus their ATHEIST CHEERLEADER!  Wow!  Someone must have left the gate unlocked!  

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill this pack of jackals are going to vilify you no matter what you post. I admire you for remaining “steadfast in the Apostle’s doctrine” and representing us fundies. I recommend the 6k package w/instructions for them.

If you are referring to me, Bill, I was 12 when the Vietnam war ended.  I willingly submitted my name to the Selective Service process.   So, no, no draft dodger here.   I keep wondering what would have happened to you in the service if you had repeatedly violated SOP as you do here.

DID YOU SERVE?  If so, in what branch and where?  What was your job function in the military? 

Yes, I served.  I served in Korea and in Formosa (Taiwan) where I was stationed on a Chinese Air Base in Tainan.  No, I was never in combat.  However, my unit did come within hours of being involved in a war between the Nationalist Chinese Army in Formosa and the Red Chinese Army of the mainland.  As I have later learned, only a last minute diplomatic effort stopped the hostilities.

But, let me tell you -- being on a Chinese Fighter base and seeing 12 big bombers fly in overnight after hearing that Red China had overrun Burma the night before -- made for some very uncomfortable time.

But, enough about me -- when and where did you serve?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

By the way, this is the grave of my friend, 1/Lt. Bob Ford, at Arlington National Cemetery.  And, this is his granddaughter who earned her Ph.d. last year and in now a Forensic Scientist.   Bob fought Communism in Korea -- and his granddaughter is serving in the fight against crime in America.  Quite a family.

Bill, do the math.  Thanks.

So, being a child at the end of the Vietnam war -- stopped you from EVER serving your country in the military?  What?  Did America stop having military services after Vietnam?  No place for you to serve?  I wonder if anyone told that to the Desert Storm troops in Iraq and Kuwait in 1991?

Okay, one more time, Crusty -- did you serve in the military?  If not, why not?  If so, where, when, and which branch?   Simple questions.  To quote a cute commercial, "Even a cave man could answer them."

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

How about you bill? How did you serve? Oh yes, I remember, it was mandatory when you were young. And don't boys still have to register for the draft even though there isn't one in place right now? Now then bill, how old were you during the vietnam war? Why didn't YOU re-enlist? Why didn't you go full time? The military became a "job" or "career" for people after vietnam, why didn't you make it your career? How many of your children or grandchildren served? Are they serving now? Remember, women can serve too. So tell us their military history.

 I remember desert storm, but I think like most things I know it the way it happened and not like YOU would have people believe. So bill, give us a run down on your family's military history. As for your friend that died, that's sad. But he was one out of how many hundreds of thousands bill? And how many of those hundreds of thousands died in battle? So yes bill, you served, you had too. You didn't choose to do it and you're no different than hundreds of thousands of other men that had to do it and you certainly can't talk down to anyone who didn't choose to make the military their career.

Register for the Draft: It's Still the Law

Males 18 through 25 are required to register

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No, Bill, I did not serve in the military.  If they needed me, all they had to do was call me.  If that is a problem for you, or you consider it unpatriotic, that is your problem, not mine.  I'm curious, Bill, did you volunteer for service, or were you drafted?  If you volunteered, did you do it because you knew you were going to be drafted anyway? 

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I did NOT serve in the military.  I was of draft age during the Vietnam debacle and I registered as a 1-A conscientious objector.  !-A means that the registrant would not bear arms but would be willing to serve in uniform and in combat as a medic.  The likelihood of a medic being injured or killed is higher that that for most any other battlefield specialty.  I obtained legitimate student deferrals and was happy to get them.  Even in my late teens and early 20s I was opposed to the Vietnam nonsense and the silly domino theory that was the sorry excuse for this nation entering that war.

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Wouldn't you love to see the old braggart answer those questions? Bill claims to be a Christian. To bad he doesn't live by this:

Love is patient; love is kind
and envies no one.
Love is never boastful, nor conceited, nor rude;
never selfish, not quick to take offense.
There is nothing love cannot face;
there is no limit to its faith,
its hope, and endurance.
In a word, there are three things
that last forever: faith, hope, and love;
but the greatest of them all is love.

Hi Crusty,

In June 1955, I, along with three classmates from Sheffield High (Bob, Willy, and Cortez), joined the Air Force together.  We went through Basic Training together at Lackland Air Base in San Antonio, TX -- and then we all went to different Tech Schools.  I went to Radar and Aircraft Weapons Fire Control System tech school at Lowry AFB in Denver.  Then, I went to Osan, Korea (K55).  I served there with two tours to a Chinese Air Base in Tainan, Formosa (Taiwan).  After that, I was stationed at Bergstrom AFB in Austin, TX.  Actually, the worst part of my tour in the Air Force was serving in hot, sticky Texas.

Did I volunteer because I was afraid of being drafted?  No, I never had a chance to register for the draft.  I volunteered, at age 17, before I had to register.

Crusty, maybe because you never felt a need to serve our country in the military -- is why you show no respect for our military people and their families.  And, is that why you will post snide remarks when others post grateful messages of thanks to our military families on the TD Forums? 

So, you never felt a need to serve?  Seems you are in good (?) company.  Neither did Bill Clinton or Mr. Obama serve -- and, could that be why our military was stripped to bare bones during Clinton's time in office?  That is why the vast majority of our troops serving in the Middle East have been reservists -- because Clinton practically killed our active duty military -- and the only troops available were the reservist. 

And, that is why many reservists have had to serve 2 and 3 tours in the Middle East -- because there were not enough regular military to serve; thanks to Mr. Clinton actions, when he was not playing under his desk with cigars.

Yes, there are just some who have no respect for our military family -- and refuse to serve.   But, no problem.  We still have enough Americans who are brave enough to put on a uniform and defend our freedom, our nation, and our families.  And, to those people we owe a great debt of gratitude -- not snide remarks.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, you have just made a complete ass of yourself.  I have extreme respect for our military.  You told your story, so I'll tell mine.  But first, if you will do the math, you will realize I was 31 when Dessert Storm broke out.  Now my story (and I expect an apology from you).

My father and my five uncles all served in the military during WWII.  My father tried to enlist several times beginning in 1939, but wasn't accepted until the restriction against those that wore glasses was  removed.  He spent four years in the Army Air Corp in the Pacific, and was discharged at the end of the war as a staff sergeant.  He was in the ground crew of a forward fighter squadron, a weapons and rocket specialist.  Unlike yourself, who was fearful of maybe seeing the enemy, his unit was regularly subject to bombing and strafing missions by the Japanese.  All of my uncles served in combat units.

There were three direct results of my father's service.  As a family we never went camping, since my father said he had already done it for four years running; it is now obvious to me that he suffered from PTSD; and he was adamant that his children would go to college - something he never got to do - and that they wouldn't serve in the military during peacetime. If you still believe that I have no respect for my father, for my uncles, or for my father-in-law (who served in a forward unit in Korea during the war as a signal corpsman) then you are a pathetic individual. 

I have plenty of respect for the military and show it. You however have no respect for any of us on the forum, or for the rules of the forum, and instead try to belittle us instead of showing any respect for anything except your over-inflated ego, and self-importance.  Your narcissism has no bounds.  I've shown you respect for your military service, but I have now lost respect for everything else in your sorry excuse for a life.

I don't know how the draft worked back then, but I think if you volunteered before they called you it gave you a bit of control over where you'd end up. Again, not sure, but I guess I could ask some of the older men about it. The korean war had ended two years before wild bill stepped up to do his "patriotic ch ore".

Now once more bill, you being so patriotic and all that, why didn't you go to vietnam? Why didn't any of your children serve our country bill? Were they pulling a bill clinton and an obama? How about your grandkids bill, are they going to serve? If not, why not? Unpatriotic??

1/LT. BOB FORD DIED MARCH 11, 1957 - From Mississippi and Alabama, he was serving in Korea to protect us from communism.   His granddaughter, Laura, earned her Ph.D. two years ago and is serving as a Forensic Scientist, protecting us from criminals.  It is a family tradition.   And, it is a Christian family.

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You neglected to tell us which branch of the service she's in. She is serving her country isn't she? If she isn't, be sure to tell her you think she's unpatriotic and pulling a "clinton",

What was it that Jesus said? 'No greater love hath any man than to lay down his life for another...'. It sickens me that some of the idiots and clowns currently spewing hatred for our troops are included in that statement.

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And are WE to assume the obvious, namely that YOU have been so consistently ill-informed and ignorant as to have attached yourself to the notion that all of the wars, buccaneering invasions, and military misadventures into which old men have thrust young men and women of this nation have been justifiable? I did receive student deferments during the Vietnam War and was not ashamed to receive them, since even in my late teens and early 20s, I had sense enough to understand that that ill-begotten madness was never going to produce anything useful for defense.  The Gulf of Tonkin incident was a ruse to justify the unjustifiable and the "domino theory" was flawed from the start and was subsequently proved beyond doubt to have been  bogus. Over 50,000 U.S. citizens died in Vietnam in an unnecessary war and that should have been a lesson to this nation never again to embark upon such a misbegotten, indefensible  mission.  But then came along those "weapons of mass destruction", and we know the rest of that story.

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My father-in-law went on the same program that Bill did.  He always refers to it as the buddy system, because if you and some buddies enlisted together you stayed together at least through boot camp.  Bill always talks like he served during the war and that he was in some danger, I always assumed that he was honest.  Of course I should know better by now that Bill is as bad as Bill Clinton, in that he even spins the truth.

. Over 50,000 U.S. citizens died in Vietnam in an unnecessary war and that should have been a lesson to this nation never again to embark upon such a misbegotten, indefensible  mission.  But then came along those "weapons of mass destruction", and we know the rest of that story.

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Sure you didn't skip anything between vietnam and WMD? Like a little "wag the dog" war? How about the fact that many democrats were leading the charge to this last one?

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The worst part of being in the Air Force was serving in hot, sticky Texas??? Gosh, Bill, you've always made yourself out to be some big hero because you were in the service. I have as much respect for our military men & women as anyone. My Dad & two of my brothers served but I don't think any less of my other brothers that didn't serve. I believe the hero's are the one's that died for our country & those that served in battle & on the front lines. And the worse part for you was because you were hot & sticky........in Texas?

You say you volunteered at age 17. I searched & found that in 1951 congress lowered the induction age to 18½.

Unless I missed something & the age was lowered to 17, it seems you lied about your age when you went into the service.

You accuse Crusty of making snide remarks. You are the King of snide remarks, Bill. You continually make snide remarks to most all of us on this forum no matter if it's about religion, the military or anything else. If you don't agree or we say something you don't like, we all know what to expect from you.

What about the men & women that couldn't serve, Bill? Those that were cripple or had health issues that wouldn't be accepted? Do you look upon them with contempt as you do Crusty?

You would do well to think about this scripture, but of course, we all know that you will not.

Matthew 12:36-37...“ I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Hi Chick,

JUST FOR YOU my dear Friend.  Yes, I did join when I was 17 (my mom had to sign for me to join) and I celebrated my 18th birthday in Basic Training at Lackland AFB in San Antonio, TX.   Yes, even though I came within hours of being in the middle of a Chinese war in Formosa (Taiwan) -- the worst part of my Air Force tour of duty was being stationed in Texas after I came back from Korea/Formosa. 

Chick, you tell me, "I believe the hero's are the one's that died for our country & those that served in battle & on the front lines."

I agree with you completely.  However, I apologize to YOU for not dying in the service.

You ask me, "What about the men & women that couldn't serve, Bill?  Those that were cripple or had health issues that wouldn't be accepted?  Do you look upon them with contempt as you do Crusty?"

I guess I owe Crusty an apology.  I never realized that he did not serve because of his sickness and/or bad health.   Chick, exactly what infirmity or illness kept Crusty out of the military?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Chick, exactly what infirmity or illness kept Crusty out of the military?

Which ones kept your family out?

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As I explained to you it was my Dad's wish that we not serve.  He was a veteran of WWII, serving in the Army Air Corp in the Pacific.  No peacetime post, no Texas duty.  If you wish to dishonor my father's wishes that is up to you and your tiny, shriveled, black, heart.   What about your children, Bill, did they serve? 

I've ask bill over and over if his children served or if they were unpatriotic. No mention of his grandkids serving either. Sounds like a very unpatriotic family to me. Using bill's logic that is.

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You apologize for not dying in the service? Do you know how silly & childish that sounds? You didn't get a lollipop so you go off into the corner & pout?

Bill, are you really as dense as you make yourself sound? Where did I even remotely imply that Crusty had an infirmity or illness kept him out of the military?

You really should see a Psychologist, you have some major issues.

TO MY THREE DEVOTED FANS:

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Gosh, Bill, you left out your "God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day". Did you take your hat off & forget to put it back on?

Oops, silly me.......I asked another question!