God in the physics classroom

Hi Quail,

This brings up an observation and a question.   First, the question:  If they do somehow discover what they call "dark matter" one mile below the surface of the earth -- how does that benefit man and improve life on earth?

And, the observation:  It is my belief that for over a hundred years, Christian theologians, mostly of the liberal flavor, have been seeking ways to compromise God's teachings with man's science.  The most important thing they overlook is that when "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" -- one part of that creation was the sciences and all the laws governing those sciences.

Everything man discovers -- God already knew, for He created it!

So, since the sciences are all a subset of the Creation, why do theologians struggle so hard to find a compromise.  That is rather like having Einstein working to achieve the intelligence level of a first grade student.

That said, I believe that theories like the Gap Theory, the Big Bang Theory, etc., are just compromises for those who do not have the faith or the courage to accept what God has given us.   Just my thoughts.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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That is the same question they asked about the space program.  Even you aren't that dense, NB.

BILL any intrusion into the quantum world allows the possibility to discover , for instance, medical and military applications. Enough said about those two. We are all aware of cancer treatments etc. Other less important spin-offs include nano stuff that can enhance cell phones and even toys. Endless.

The research on the other hand is aimed at understanding the universe and how it possibly came to be without God. The BBang theory has a few problems that do not yet have answers. Dark matter and energy, if they are proven to exist point to possible answers.

  I’m not going to try and explain symmetry and super-symmetry to you; for you to have asked the question to begin with tells me you are not further enough along to understand what it has to do with the Bbang.

   The LUX experiment is just one of several hoping to explain how in-the -beginning there was super-symmetry allowing for anti-stuff and real-stuff and for some reason the stuff changed flavors as quarks and why it turns out all we have left is real stuff and no anti stuff. In the beginning the arithmetic of antimatter and matter were symmetrical but super-symmetry allowed for stuff and anti stuff to eventually satisfy the arithmetic as being symmetrical even though stuff is what we ended up with now at the present time and no anti stuff. 2=2 is an example of symmetry. 2=1 is not unless there is a version of arithmetic that would allow the 1 to be two for a moment, [super symmetry] long enough for the arithmetic to work as 2=1+[1 Dark matter].

  As I have said before we are deciding our conclusions based on “Quanta” little bitty indivisible units of energy when arranged in certain ways are known as protons, electrons, neutrons, quarks and gluons but in the end they are nothing but li’l energies all just alike in a row. They can cause spin, mass and charge, as inventions of  our measuring devices. You may ask, what about that pesky light? It goes through stuff and certain spectrums of it pass through the earth undetected and not interacting with a single other particle of stuff. Well after all these photons are mass less and have no charge so why would they interact? Photons are little packets of energy after all, whoa! That’s Quanta. Ole Einstein knew that years ago when he said energy= mass and energy and mass are the same thing.

WELL, GOD AFTER ALL SAID LET THERE BE LIGHT. [Quanta]

Belief in the so-called "Big Bang", when all time, space, energy, and matter magically appeared from nothing, requires more faith than believing God did it. 

My Friend, I was right there witnessing the benefits of the space program.   I can name you numerous benefits of that effort.   One being the actual computers we are using in this discussion and the internet capability we have which allows us to come here and bang heads.

There is literally no aspect of our lives today which has not been impacted, and made better, by the space program.

That answers for the space program.  Now, you tell me the benefits of spending tons of money searching for a "dark matter" in a one mile deep cave, or anywhere.    Or will this question just fall into another Crusty Dark Hole?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Hi Quail,

You tell me, "The research on the other hand is aimed at understanding the universe and how it possibly came to be without God.  The Big Bang theory has a few problems that do not yet have answers.  Dark matter and energy, if they are proven to exist point to possible answers.  I’m not going to try and explain symmetry and super-symmetry to you; for you to have asked the question to begin with tells me you are not further enough along to understand what it has to do with the Big Bang."

So, my Friend, the God which you say you believe in -- is NOT big enough to create the "heavens and the earth" as we are told in Genesis 1?  Is that what you are saying?

If you are a Christian, you will believe that God created the heavens and the earth -- right?   So, before God created the heavens and the earth, nothing existed -- right?  Since nothing existed -- that also includes space and any small object floating in that non-existent space. 

So, who or what created space?  And, who hung that small, super dense object in space so that it could later explode and create billions of huge galaxies and many trillions of stars and planets?  By the way, who created the energy required to make that object explode?

It would appear to me that there has to be a "cause" for any action to take place.  What was the "cause" of the universe, of the heavens and earth?  The Bible tells me it was God.  What do you tell me was the "cause"?

Getting past that hurdle, since we both are believers and know that God created the heavens and the earth -- and all the sciences and the laws governing the sciences were created by God; how did those sciences create the Big Bang?  God had not yet created the sciences -- so how could they create the Big Bang?

Do you see our dilemma, my Friend?  Without God, there is nothing.  And, with God -- He rules, not the Big Bang or any scientists.

By the way, neither do the Unions!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

bill i don't know how you figger i have a dilemma. God did it. 

Hi Quail,

Then what's with all the jumping up an down, saluting the Big Bang and all its little brothers?

Bless your heart!

Bill

don't know yet, we may eventually find a wonderful use for it.

i really doubt Kelper's or Newton's laws benefited human life when they were first wrote about in the 1600s, but now in the 21st century, if it wasn't for them 2, we probably wouldn't have the space program, and things like satellites, and that means no tv, or no internet for some.

bill you don't know what you are mumbling about. there is a BBang theory or did you miss that?

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In the very early years of the space program, what would you have said the benefits were going to be?  I guess you predicted all the possibilities of the program in 1961.  I bow to your prophetic abilities.

NB, I bet you were one of those people that said, "If God meant us to fly, he would have given us wings."

I take it back, you are that dense.

Have another blissed day.

Hi Crusty,

So, you could not answer this question:

That answers for the space program.  Now, you tell me the benefits of spending tons of money searching for a "dark matter" in a one mile deep cave, or anywhere.    Or will this question just fall into another Crusty Dark Hole?

Not a problem.  I did not think you could.  Come to think of it, I have yet to see you answer a question.

Oh, you can blow smoke, huff and puff, and other childish things.  But, a serious answer?   No, I do not believe you have the intellectual ability.

Just a well.  Bless your huffy and puffy little old heart!

Bill

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No, NB, I don't fully understand the benefits that might come from the project.  When the space missions began, did you know what the resulting benefits would be? 

See, here is the difference between you and me.  I can answer a question honestly, you never do.  You've dodged my question here, and I don't ever expect a truthful answer from you because it would invalidate your position here.

More proof that you are just a Narcissistic Blowhard.

Have another blissful day.

bill I must point out, the truth is not your priority when you tell blatant lies about Obama and his family so don't infer anyone else is lying. If that congregation you attend out there agree with your lies they will party in torment with you.

Hi all,

We must all keep in mind that to Quail, his messiah is Obama, his church is the Union Hall, and his bible is the Union Contract which has caused prices of all products in America to go out of sight -- and has led Walmart, et al, to support China instead of America. 

So, any time someone mentions Jesus Christ, Christianity, the Bible, or our Christian faith -- that is what it means in his mind.  Please be patient with him; even with all the different Union Made mantles he wears, he is harmless.

Bless his heart!

Bill

See, Bill dodged again, bless his fundy side-stepping, little heart.

Bill, in 1961, did you know all the benefits that would be derived from the space program? 

Yes, or no?

bill sez: "So, any time someone mentions Jesus Christ, Christianity, the Bible, or our Christian faith -- that is what it means in his mind"

Dear god in heaven please deliver this unrepentant man from his constant lying or reserve a place in  sheol to await his eternal reward of fire and brimstone should he perish from this earth. Amen. P.S. Bless Bro. Barak Obama [POTUS] and his lovely Christian family. Amen, Amen.