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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Jennifer,

 

Hippie Girl is right -- everyone has a god or gods.  For Christian believers, our God is the eternal preexisting Triune God who created the heavens and the earth -- and who is in control, even with those who deny Him.

 

All non-believers have gods also.  Whatever drives or controls your life -- IS your god.  For some it is money, for others just material things in general, for others it may be power, prestige, recognition, fame, etc.   For some it may even be family.   Everyone has something which drives their life. 

 

Speaking for myself, and I believe for all other believers -- what drives my life and motivates me is God.  

 

For non-believers, you can just leave it blank, i.e., "_____________________ is my god!"  You fill in the blank.   Whatever you place first in your life -- is your god.  For me, regardless of how much I love my family -- the One placed first in my life is God.

 

So, my Friend, you do have a god or gods.  But, just as you will continue to deny that God exists; you will most likely deny that you have gods.  But, funny thing about it -- the truth WILL be seen in the end -- and, unless you remove your "There is no God!" blanky -- you will be a very surprised lady.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

What a load of crap.  And #8.

Originally Posted by Chillin&Grillin:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:

hg> i know, as i'm sure you do, that many many prayers are pleaded on behalf of these precious children. many are healed, many are not. i do not know why some are and others not. but i trust God to comfort them, and eventually give them Heaven.

and i'm sure we all have prayed for an end to cancer, and many other diseases. i don't have the answers, but i trust and have faith in the God who does. and whether he reveals them or not isn't an issue for me.

_____________

I'm curious, what does God have against amputees?  He never, ever has answered a prayer from one of them to regrow their limb. Never.  Ever.  He cures Bill's "cancer".  He saves some people in car crashes, or tornadoes, or floods, or just helps them out when they are out of work.  But amputees?  No dice.  Ever.  Thoughts?

 

hg> i've not been all over the world to see who God has healed, but perhaps you have. i had no idea amputees had been left out of the healing process. i'm sure God has healed some amputees, just as He's made blind eyes see, grown limbs longer, opened ears, and given voice to the mute. His miracle 'list' is endless, tho He owes us no 'proof' of His great power. 

personally, i have a friend with terminal cancer who was healed, and is now retired living in the Keys... my son had a deadly tumor in his head that was due to be removed  thru surgery. on the pre-surg xrays, the tumor had disappeared. what is impossible for man, is possible with God.  

and to throw in the 'healing mix', xrays showed that one of my cats had a large internal tumor. the vet said he needed emergency surgery to save his life. i asked help of faithful prayer warrior friends, and when pre-surg xrays were taken the next morn, the tumor was gone....if it matters to us, it matters to God

TIG, in the entire experience of humankind, no one has regrown a severed limb.  Lizards can do it, but we humans cannot.

 

You see, this is simply nature at work.  Lizards have genes that allow for regeneration of limbs, we do not.  When Crusty poses this question, it's rhetorical.  He means to say that god seems to heal those who get expert medical care or those whose illnesses were imaginary to begin with.

 

Amazing, is it not, that god heals so many more illnesses these days, after hundreds of years of human research into the Earthly causes and cures of them?

 

DF

Not entirely true DF. Humans have regeneration genes like your lizzard but it is "turned off" scientists suspect. The study may advance to a point where the amputee may regenerate new limbs.


 C&G, my dear friend, I don't doubt you at all.  The point is that god has hidden and turned off those genes, and human intelligence might reactivate them.

 

Be well.

 

DF

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Originally Posted by Chillin&Grillin:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:

hg> i know, as i'm sure you do, that many many prayers are pleaded on behalf of these precious children. many are healed, many are not. i do not know why some are and others not. but i trust God to comfort them, and eventually give them Heaven.

and i'm sure we all have prayed for an end to cancer, and many other diseases. i don't have the answers, but i trust and have faith in the God who does. and whether he reveals them or not isn't an issue for me.

_____________

I'm curious, what does God have against amputees?  He never, ever has answered a prayer from one of them to regrow their limb. Never.  Ever.  He cures Bill's "cancer".  He saves some people in car crashes, or tornadoes, or floods, or just helps them out when they are out of work.  But amputees?  No dice.  Ever.  Thoughts?

 

hg> i've not been all over the world to see who God has healed, but perhaps you have. i had no idea amputees had been left out of the healing process. i'm sure God has healed some amputees, just as He's made blind eyes see, grown limbs longer, opened ears, and given voice to the mute. His miracle 'list' is endless, tho He owes us no 'proof' of His great power. 

personally, i have a friend with terminal cancer who was healed, and is now retired living in the Keys... my son had a deadly tumor in his head that was due to be removed  thru surgery. on the pre-surg xrays, the tumor had disappeared. what is impossible for man, is possible with God.  

and to throw in the 'healing mix', xrays showed that one of my cats had a large internal tumor. the vet said he needed emergency surgery to save his life. i asked help of faithful prayer warrior friends, and when pre-surg xrays were taken the next morn, the tumor was gone....if it matters to us, it matters to God

TIG, in the entire experience of humankind, no one has regrown a severed limb.  Lizards can do it, but we humans cannot.

 

You see, this is simply nature at work.  Lizards have genes that allow for regeneration of limbs, we do not.  When Crusty poses this question, it's rhetorical.  He means to say that god seems to heal those who get expert medical care or those whose illnesses were imaginary to begin with.

 

Amazing, is it not, that god heals so many more illnesses these days, after hundreds of years of human research into the Earthly causes and cures of them?

 

DF

Not entirely true DF. Humans have regeneration genes like your lizzard but it is "turned off" scientists suspect. The study may advance to a point where the amputee may regenerate new limbs.


 C&G, my dear friend, I don't doubt you at all.  The point is that god has hidden and turned off those genes, and human intelligence might reactivate them.

 

Be well.

 

DF

=========================

Yes DF the human intelligence God has given us...................... If we refuse to use it we will lose it.  Our human intelligence will someday allow regeneration of limbs I believe. We have to use our brains and not expect well being to drop out of the sky.

Proof #49 - Look at who speaks for God

In Christian mythology, God is supposed to the the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe. God is supposed to have incarnated himself as Jesus and he is supposed to have written the Bible. And yet today God is completely and absolutely silent. Therefore, the only thing we hear from God comes from people who are speaking on his behalf.

If you would like to understand how imaginary God is, all that you have to do is listen to God's spokespeople, because in many cases these people are lunatics. If there actually were a God, and if he actually had anything to do with love, he would silence these people because they are an absolute embarrassment.

If God were real, he would speak for himself. The fact that God does not speak, and that he allows any lunatic who comes along to speak "in his name," shows us that God is quite imaginary.

 




Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Proof #49 - Look at who speaks for God

In Christian mythology, God is supposed to the the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe.

__________

And if He is all-powerful, all-knowing, why send someone like Bill Gray, Hippie Girl, & Gingee to speak for him, especially when they are doing such a bad job of it? Why would he need anyone at all?

 

(of course, we all know who sent Bill Gray)

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Proof #49 - Look at who speaks for God

In Christian mythology, God is supposed to the the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe. God is supposed to have incarnated himself as Jesus and he is supposed to have written the Bible. And yet today God is completely and absolutely silent. Therefore, the only thing we hear from God comes from people who are speaking on his behalf.

If you would like to understand how imaginary God is, all that you have to do is listen to God's spokespeople, because in many cases these people are lunatics. If there actually were a God, and if he actually had anything to do with love, he would silence these people because they are an absolute embarrassment.

If God were real, he would speak for himself. The fact that God does not speak, and that he allows any lunatic who comes along to speak "in his name," shows us that God is quite imaginary.

 ==========================

#1,  for you again Best.  Most of what you say we have all passed over a long time ago. Get scientific with the rest of us or b square.




 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Proof #49 - Look at who speaks for God

In Christian mythology, God is supposed to the the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe.

__________

And if He is all-powerful, all-knowing, why send someone like Bill Gray, Hippie Girl, & Gingee to speak for him, especially when they are doing such a bad job of it? Why would he need anyone at all?

 

(of course, we all know who sent Bill Gray)

==========================

Semi I guess I need to mete out some advice to you along with Best.

When the rest of us post don’t immediately respond. Wait until us brains have responded first.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Proof #49 - Look at who speaks for God

In Christian mythology, God is supposed to the the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe.

__________

And if He is all-powerful, all-knowing, why send someone like Bill Gray, Hippie Girl, & Gingee to speak for him, especially when they are doing such a bad job of it? Why would he need anyone at all?

 

(of course, we all know who sent Bill Gray)

*******************

You forgot a few, buffalo being one you left out.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Proof #49 - Look at who speaks for God

In Christian mythology, God is supposed to the the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe.

__________

And if He is all-powerful, all-knowing, why send someone like Bill Gray, Hippie Girl, & Gingee to speak for him, especially when they are doing such a bad job of it? Why would he need anyone at all?

 

(of course, we all know who sent Bill Gray)

*******************

You forgot a few, buffalo being one you left out.

________________

So, two people.  Bill, and some guy with multiple personalities. 

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by vplee123:
Hand transplants now being performed in Kentucky..... Never underestimate the possibilities

_______________

 

Of Humans and science...

____________.

True.  If God had anything to do with it, we would have been doing it hundreds of thousands of years ago.

====================

Crusty I demand scientific proof of your claim that God would have done this thousands of years ago.

 

Crusty number list:

1. Seeking to be accepted by someone called buffaloe after being brused by a sheltered life .

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by vplee123:
Hand transplants now being performed in Kentucky..... Never underestimate the possibilities

_______________

 

Of Humans and science...

____________.

True.  If God had anything to do with it, we would have been doing it hundreds of thousands of years ago.

=================

Hand transplants since 1998.

 

Originally Posted by Chillin&Grillin:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Originally Posted by Chillin&Grillin:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:

hg> i know, as i'm sure you do, that many many prayers are pleaded on behalf of these precious children. many are healed, many are not. i do not know why some are and others not. but i trust God to comfort them, and eventually give them Heaven.

and i'm sure we all have prayed for an end to cancer, and many other diseases. i don't have the answers, but i trust and have faith in the God who does. and whether he reveals them or not isn't an issue for me.

_____________

I'm curious, what does God have against amputees?  He never, ever has answered a prayer from one of them to regrow their limb. Never.  Ever.  He cures Bill's "cancer".  He saves some people in car crashes, or tornadoes, or floods, or just helps them out when they are out of work.  But amputees?  No dice.  Ever.  Thoughts?

 

hg> i've not been all over the world to see who God has healed, but perhaps you have. i had no idea amputees had been left out of the healing process. i'm sure God has healed some amputees, just as He's made blind eyes see, grown limbs longer, opened ears, and given voice to the mute. His miracle 'list' is endless, tho He owes us no 'proof' of His great power. 

personally, i have a friend with terminal cancer who was healed, and is now retired living in the Keys... my son had a deadly tumor in his head that was due to be removed  thru surgery. on the pre-surg xrays, the tumor had disappeared. what is impossible for man, is possible with God.  

and to throw in the 'healing mix', xrays showed that one of my cats had a large internal tumor. the vet said he needed emergency surgery to save his life. i asked help of faithful prayer warrior friends, and when pre-surg xrays were taken the next morn, the tumor was gone....if it matters to us, it matters to God

TIG, in the entire experience of humankind, no one has regrown a severed limb.  Lizards can do it, but we humans cannot.

 

You see, this is simply nature at work.  Lizards have genes that allow for regeneration of limbs, we do not.  When Crusty poses this question, it's rhetorical.  He means to say that god seems to heal those who get expert medical care or those whose illnesses were imaginary to begin with.

 

Amazing, is it not, that god heals so many more illnesses these days, after hundreds of years of human research into the Earthly causes and cures of them?

 

DF

Not entirely true DF. Humans have regeneration genes like your lizzard but it is "turned off" scientists suspect. The study may advance to a point where the amputee may regenerate new limbs.


 C&G, my dear friend, I don't doubt you at all.  The point is that god has hidden and turned off those genes, and human intelligence might reactivate them.

 

Be well.

 

DF

=========================

Yes DF the human intelligence God has given us...................... If we refuse to use it we will lose it.  Our human intelligence will someday allow regeneration of limbs I believe. We have to use our brains and not expect well being to drop out of the sky.

Well, see now, that's my point.  We humans have figured out, in some part, how nature works.  We're using it to our advantage.

 

god never did that for us. Because there is no god.

 

 

DF

quote:
  Originally Posted by Deep Not Shallow Not Slim:

Well, see now, that's my point.  We humans have figured out, in some part, how nature works.  We're using it to our advantage.   god never did that for us. Because there is no god.   DF


Hi Deep,

 

Anyone who has ever raised children, or even been around young people going through their teens and early adult years -- will recognize that in your statement above. 

 

Have you ever noticed how young people, when they do something -- will firmly believe they conceived this idea?  I cannot tell you how many times I have said, and have heard others say, to our children, "My love, you did not invent that.  I did it when I was a teenager.  My dad did it when he was a teeenager.  And, I am sure my grandfathers tried the same thing in their young days." 

 

As we are told in God's Word:

 

Ecclesiastes 1:9-10, "That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done.  So there is nothing new under the sun.  Is there anything of which one might say, 'See this, it is new'?  Already it has existed for ages Which were before us."

 

So, Deep, my Friend, when you tell us of those great scientific discoveries -- that is not new to God.  He has known all of this all along.  He is just now making it possible for people such as you to discover what He has always known.

 

And, like our children when they think they have had a world shaking breakthrough -- to you we must say the same thing, "God has been there, done that!  What's new?"

 

Deep, if you really want to be wise -- put down all your science journals -- and pick up a Bible.  It's all there, if YOU are wise enough to find it.

 

And, in closing, my dear Friend.  I know that you do not read my writings anymore -- for you have conceded that God's Word, the Bible, is right -- even though you will not publicly admit it.  So, I do not expect a response from you.  But, I am sure some of our Friends will get a chuckle out of your teenage arrogance.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

Best> If you would like to understand how imaginary God is, all that you have to do is listen to God's spokespeople, because in many cases these people are lunatics. If there actually were a God, and if he actually had anything to do with love, he would silence these people because they are an absolute embarrassment.

If God were real, he would speak for himself. The fact that God does not speak, and that he allows any lunatic who comes along to speak "in his name," shows us that God is quite imaginary.

__________

Chick> And if He is all-powerful, all-knowing, why send someone like Bill Gray, Hippie Girl, & Gingee to speak for him, especially when they are doing such a bad job of it? Why would he need anyone at all?

 (of course, we all know who sent Bill Gray)

 

hg>  i think i can speak for those you listed above when i say...

                          ~~Thank you Chick and Best!!~~

Matt 5:11-12 “And what happiness will be yours when people blame you and ill-treat you and say all kinds of slanderous things against you for my sake! Be glad then, yes, be tremendously glad—for your reward in Heaven is magnificent. They persecuted the prophets before your time in exactly the same way.''

many blessings to ya'll, hg<><

WNR

 

There is no abyss, we are only trying to claw our way out of that religious cesspool where y'all wallow. Once we can rest assured that our children will be taught the validity of the knowledge obtained through scientific observation. When everyone has the right to love those they love without threats of unequal treatment, being incarcerated, physicial violence, or social disdain. When the word charity means helping the needy instead of supporting hatred and bigotry. When religions finally quit drawing a bias line through human behavior. When that cesspool drys up, and adults learn they shouldn't "believe" in childish fairy tales, then I'll lighten up...i don't know about the rest of them though.

Originally Posted by Chillin&Grillin:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by vplee123:
Hand transplants now being performed in Kentucky..... Never underestimate the possibilities

_______________

 

Of Humans and science...

____________.

True.  If God had anything to do with it, we would have been doing it hundreds of thousands of years ago.

====================

Crusty I demand scientific proof of your claim that God would have done this thousands of years ago.

 

Crusty number list:

1. Seeking to be accepted by someone called buffaloe after being brused by a sheltered life .

___________

Ramm's number list.

1) clueless.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:
  Originally Posted by Deep Not Shallow Not Slim:

Well, see now, that's my point.  We humans have figured out, in some part, how nature works.  We're using it to our advantage.   god never did that for us. Because there is no god.   DF


Hi Deep,

 

Anyone who has ever raised children, or even been around young people going through their teens and early adult years -- will recognize that in your statement above. 

 

Have you ever noticed how young people, when they do something -- will firmly believe they conceived this idea?  I cannot tell you how many times I have said, and have heard others say, to our children, "My love, you did not invent that.  I did it when I was a teenager.  My dad did it when he was a teeenager.  And, I am sure my grandfathers tried the same thing in their young days." 

 

As we are told in God's Word:

 

Ecclesiastes 1:9-10, "That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done.  So there is nothing new under the sun.  Is there anything of which one might say, 'See this, it is new'?  Already it has existed for ages Which were before us."

 

So, Deep, my Friend, when you tell us of those great scientific discoveries -- that is not new to God.  He has known all of this all along.  He is just now making it possible for people such as you to discover what He has always known.

 

And, like our children when they think they have had a world shaking breakthrough -- to you we must say the same thing, "God has been there, done that!  What's new?"

 

Deep, if you really want to be wise -- put down all your science journals -- and pick up a Bible.  It's all there, if YOU are wise enough to find it.

 

And, in closing, my dear Friend.  I know that you do not read my writings anymore -- for you have conceded that God's Word, the Bible, is right -- even though you will not publicly admit it.  So, I do not expect a response from you.  But, I am sure some of our Friends will get a chuckle out of your teenage arrogance.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

________________

#8 and #11, and you couldn't resist - #9.   You could have actually done something constructive in the time you would have saved if you had embraced the system. 

 

While your at it, Bill, show me in the Bible the theory that makes cell phones possible, please.  It's there, right?

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I'm far from miserable or deluded, I don't know any miserable deluded atheists, and I certainly don't know of any "abyss" any atheist is trying to drag anyone into.

==============================

Best it is obvious you are miserable; otherwise you would be out enjoying SIN FOR A SEASON rather than spending ever day and night on here posting.

Gee buff, you need to keep up. I think I made 6 or 7 short posts yesterday, and I wasn't even here for a few hours. I work for a living, unlike you I don't get government handouts. And unlike you, I can read and post on a newspaper forum for about 15 minutes a day without it throwing off my entire schedule. I know it must interfere with your naps. I'll leave the "sinning" all to you, you seem to have it down pat. BTW, which are you this time-male or female??

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

 

Originally Posted by Chillin&Grillin:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Originally Posted by Chillin&Grillin:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by thehippiegirl is gone.:

hg> i know, as i'm sure you do, that many many prayers are pleaded on behalf of these precious children. many are healed, many are not. i do not know why some are and others not. but i trust God to comfort them, and eventually give them Heaven.

and i'm sure we all have prayed for an end to cancer, and many other diseases. i don't have the answers, but i trust and have faith in the God who does. and whether he reveals them or not isn't an issue for me.

_____________

I'm curious, what does God have against amputees?  He never, ever has answered a prayer from one of them to regrow their limb. Never.  Ever.  He cures Bill's "cancer".  He saves some people in car crashes, or tornadoes, or floods, or just helps them out when they are out of work.  But amputees?  No dice.  Ever.  Thoughts?

 

hg> i've not been all over the world to see who God has healed, but perhaps you have. i had no idea amputees had been left out of the healing process. i'm sure God has healed some amputees, just as He's made blind eyes see, grown limbs longer, opened ears, and given voice to the mute. His miracle 'list' is endless, tho He owes us no 'proof' of His great power. 

personally, i have a friend with terminal cancer who was healed, and is now retired living in the Keys... my son had a deadly tumor in his head that was due to be removed  thru surgery. on the pre-surg xrays, the tumor had disappeared. what is impossible for man, is possible with God.  

and to throw in the 'healing mix', xrays showed that one of my cats had a large internal tumor. the vet said he needed emergency surgery to save his life. i asked help of faithful prayer warrior friends, and when pre-surg xrays were taken the next morn, the tumor was gone....if it matters to us, it matters to God

TIG, in the entire experience of humankind, no one has regrown a severed limb.  Lizards can do it, but we humans cannot.

 

You see, this is simply nature at work.  Lizards have genes that allow for regeneration of limbs, we do not.  When Crusty poses this question, it's rhetorical.  He means to say that god seems to heal those who get expert medical care or those whose illnesses were imaginary to begin with.

 

Amazing, is it not, that god heals so many more illnesses these days, after hundreds of years of human research into the Earthly causes and cures of them?

 

DF

Not entirely true DF. Humans have regeneration genes like your lizzard but it is "turned off" scientists suspect. The study may advance to a point where the amputee may regenerate new limbs.


 C&G, my dear friend, I don't doubt you at all.  The point is that god has hidden and turned off those genes, and human intelligence might reactivate them.

 

Be well.

 

DF

=========================

Yes DF the human intelligence God has given us...................... If we refuse to use it we will lose it.  Our human intelligence will someday allow regeneration of limbs I believe. We have to use our brains and not expect well being to drop out of the sky.

Well, see now, that's my point.  We humans have figured out, in some part, how nature works.  We're using it to our advantage.

 

god never did that for us. Because there is no god.

 

 

DF

=============================

but Deep nature is Creator given; he wants us to use free will to make decisions about it and use  it to help ourselves.

 

Man was warned: "

Rev 7:3
"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."
When we go against Nature we cause miseries for ourselves. Given enough time maybe we will become wise.
 
  A problem DF: We ask too many questions about Nature having the answer  pre-concieved on our part and  that affects the outcome of our test for truth. The creator does not interfere with our free will but expects us to use unprejudiced knowledge.......so if you didn't have two hands when you were born; someone or some group violated Natures intentions.

Proof #53 - Think about Marriage as described in the Bible

Most Christians consider marriage to be a sacred act created by God in the Bible. For example, on this page you can see Rick Warren stating: "I'm opposed to redefinition of a 5,000 year definition of marriage." At many weddings you will hear a Bible passage like Genesis 2:24 used to show God's view of marriage:

 

For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

There is also the commandment that forbids adultery. If digging deeper, a Christian might selectively pull out other verses from places like Ephesians, as described in this article:

What Does the Bible Say About Marriage?

In doing this, however, the Christian is ignoring the rich tapestry of marriage types condoned by God and the Bible.

For example, there are many examples of polygamy in the Bible, all of them condoned by God. King David, for example, had many wives. Seven of his wives are listed in 1 Chronicles 3:1-5. In Acts 13:22 God says, "'I have found David son of Jesse a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do." And many other characters in the Bible had two or more wives, including Jacob.

The case of Jacob (described in Genesis chapters 28, 29 and 30) is fascinating because it shows several other attributes of Biblical marriage. For example, Jacob earns his wife as payment for seven years of work done. It is a contract between Jacob and the woman's father – the woman is mere property in a transaction and has no say in the matter.

However, the man that Jacob is working for tricks Jacob by giving him the wrong sister, and corrects the problem by letting Jacob work for another seven years for the second daughter. Now Jacob has two wives.

But the second sister is barren. So the second sister gives Jacob her slave to sleep with and have a child. All of this is done as part of God's plan and with God's active intervention (for example, God makes the second sister barren).

This idea of giving a slave to be a child-bearer for a barren wife is also seen in Genesis 16.

Clearly God is fine with Polygamy, as well as with sexual relationships with slaves.

In Deuteronomy 21:11-13 another form of Biblical marriage is described. Female prisoners of war can be taken as wives without the woman's consent:

if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 offers another, even more vile, path to marriage:

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

This law appears not once but twice in the Bible. It is repeated in Exodus 22:16:

If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife.

Note that, according to the Bible, the only valid marriage is to a woman who is a virgin. This law is laid down in Deuteronomy chapter 22, verse 13 through 21. If a woman is not a virgin, she must be put to death.

Also note that, if a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both man and woman must be put to death, as described in Deuteronomy 22:22:

If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

Why do Christians ignore all of these other forms of marriage, which are quite clearly allowed in the Bible? Why do Christians not kill people who break the commandment forbidding adultery as the Bible demands? Because God is imaginary. If God were real, Christians would do what the Bible actually tells them to do.

To any rational person standing outside of Christianity, the Bible's position on marriage proves God to be imaginary because the Bible is so obviously ridiculous.

[Note - Even in the United States, the definition of marriage and the rights of marriage partners have changed dramatically over the years. For example, interracial marriage was illegal in the United States until the 1950s.

Hi Jennifer,

 

This is so typically atheist!   Post a long copy/paste -- with no link to validate what is written.  And, when I do Google and find the source -- the first thing I find is not true.  From the Facebook page of this reliable source:

 

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It is easy to prove to yourself that God is imaginary. The evidence is all around you.

CreatedAugust 22, 1989

Facebook was not in existence in 1989.

 

And, when I visit their web site -- NOWHERE on that web site can we find who has written all of these illuminating articles.   In other words, "We are anonymous, afraid to disclose our identity -- but, trust us anyway!"   DUH!

 

Jennifer, if you have any proof that God does not exist -- other than anonymous atheists; please share it with us.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Jennifer,

 

This is so typically atheist!   Post a long copy/paste -- with no link to validate what is written.  And, when I do Google and find the source -- the first thing I find is not true.  From the Facebook page of this reliable source:

 

Basic Info

About
It is easy to prove to yourself that God is imaginary. The evidence is all around you.

CreatedAugust 22, 1989

Facebook was not in existence in 1989.

 

And, when I visit their web site -- NOWHERE on that web site can we find who has written all of these illuminating articles.   In other words, "We are anonymous, afraid to disclose our identity -- but, trust us anyway!"   DUH!

 

Jennifer, if you have any proof that God does not exist -- other than anonymous atheists; please share it with us.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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#7.  Not one word to refute Best's article.  You could have saved yourself the trouble of looking stupid, and taken the trash out at the same time.  Embrace the system, Bill.

C&G sez: 

  A problem DF: We ask too many questions about Nature having the answer  pre-concieved on our part and  that affects the outcome of our test for truth. The creator does not interfere with our free will but expects us to use unprejudiced knowledge.......so if you didn't have two hands when you were born; someone or some group violated Natures intentions.
 

Theists have a preconceived notion every time: God did it.  This does nothing to help the situation.  This sheds no light onto our knowledge of Nature.

 

If I didn't have two hands, it would be because of a well known reason, a birth defect.  Birth defects are natural, a matter of statistics.

 

If the creator intended us to use unprejudiced knowledge, why don't churches use their influence to teach parishioners methods to seek the unvarnished, objective truths about Nature?  They don't, they stress superstitious substitutions instead.

 

Science asks questions about nature and then explores the questions, letting the conclusions follow the evidence.  Religions start with conclusions and try to pound the square pegs of evidence into the round holes of religious preconception.

 

I suggest an experiment:  Take off your god glasses for a week. See if you can put them back on.  You'll see that the world is no different for there being no gods.

 

DF

Nsns I have taken them off from time to time- during low points in my life... I will admit I closed the door on god. I was distressed and even more depressed. Turning back to God gave me comfort and solace. Take it for what it is- one persons experience. But my life when I "let go and let God" is much more peaceful. Just my experience, and that is real- nobody can change my heart and who resides there;-) Peace to u my friend
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

I'm serious about the god glasses.  When one takes them off, even experimentally, the world works the same.

 

DF

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I was serious too. Good luck with that. You won't have much luck getting them to give up that crutch. Funny thinking-once more-hard times from that god they believe in, terrible things happening-they cling tighter/closer to the very one that says, "love me, believe in me, or I'll hurt you. Well actually I'll still hurt you even if you believe in and love me, but you have to be tested from time to time doncha know." Every time I hear someone say god tested them I want to toss my cookies. It's like people who abuse children and then cry that they're good parents and love those children. What do believers think-their god is just having a bad day when he does those awful things??

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