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At risk of being accused of "Bill Graying" a topic, I think this post deserves a closer look and takes off on Jennifer's post "Drunk With Blood" but also expand on the numbers of killings ascribed to "atheists" what was mentioned in another post.  So rather than posing this in both threads, I started a new one:

 

Let's take a look at who killed more people, God, Satan or Atheists?

 

This website take a pretty good stab at quantifying the numbers of people killed in the bible by God versus Satan.  He comes up with roughly 2.5 million people killed by God in the bible.  But that estimate was only part of the story.  His estimate didn't include some of God's most impressive slaughters. How many did God drown in the flood or burn to death in Sodom and Gomorrah? How many first-born Egyptians did he kill? The Bible doesn't say, so there's no way to know for sure. But it's possible to provide rough estimates in order to get a grand total.  

His estimate came to about 25 million people killed by God.

And how many did Satan kill?  The bible directly lists 10.  Again, the author tries to estimate the number that Satan killed that is only hinted at in the bible an comes up with about 60.

25,000,000 for God. 60 for Satan.

But even those startling numbers don't tell the whole story.  Think of the number of humans that have been born on our planet over the past couple of million years.  The estimate is that about 100,000,000,000 (100 billion) humans have been born on this planet.  Infant mortality was horrible up until a couple hundred years ago.  It is estimated that about 50% of the children died during infancy.  Now, of those hundred billion,  about 50 billion were small children.  Perhaps that is an exaggerated number?  I don't think so but let's say it was a small fraction of the 100 billion.  Even a small fraction of 100 billion translates to countless millions of children that God killed before they had a chance to contribute to His plan.

 

This is the God you folks worship?  Why?

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Not only does God make it his business to kill.

JOY the elder of the Alabamian sex forum has taken a new twist.

She is supporting death wishes herself’

FirenzeVeritus is wishing I would die and Ubu is threatening to strangle me to death.

Ubu is threatening to come on my property to carry out deeds against me.

If anyone doubts this go over there and read for yourself. If I come up dead it very well could be at the hand of these two dudes. Fire, since I can’t get on over there would you please report yourself and Ubu to Forumotion as making felonious threats against me? Then go to the police and turn the two of you in.

Originally Posted by Magpie:

Not only does God make it his business to kill.

JOY the elder of the Alabamian sex forum has taken a new twist.

She is supporting death wishes herself’

FirenzeVeritus is wishing I would die and Ubu is threatening to strangle me to death.

Ubu is threatening to come on my property to carry out deeds against me.

If anyone doubts this go over there and read for yourself. If I come up dead it very well could be at the hand of these two dudes. Fire, since I can’t get on over there would you please report yourself and Ubu to Forumotion as making felonious threats against me? Then go to the police and turn the two of you in.

 

In case anyone believes anything rramlinn/buffalo/deep dot fat/caped/magpie/whatever says at this point, I haven't read anything Ubu has said concerning magpie, but I said something to the effect if thoughts could kill, I'm sure the parents of the then 17 year-old he accused of exposing herself would have already done him in. Apparently it doesn't do any good to report here since nothing is done, unless the TD is in the mood.

 

And if you're looking for sex, I doubt the Alabamian Forum is the place to find it...might want to check Magpie's twisted mind.

Originally Posted by b50m:

God loves you Unob.

 

LOL

From a re****ble source of course:

 

An unbeliever's thoughts about the Bible, Quran, and Book of Mormon


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I linked to that in my post.

The author does give his sources for the numbers which came directly from the bible.  Here is the tally complete with links to the bible versus the numbers were gleaned from: http://dwindlinginunbelief.blo...llings-in-bible.html

So what, B50, is "u n r e l i a b l e" (why in the world is THAT censored?) about the source?

It is difficult to understand why anyone would just post a "yawn" to these horrendous numbers.  At least Invictus is honest about it by assuring us that God does, in fact, klll his children.  
But i'm not surprised. I guess a "yawn" is all you can do when faced with such irrevocable truth about the evil of the god you people claim to worship and praise.  


 

 

The post fails basic theology 101, but it would be pointless to try and use that argument. So let's look at it this way.

 

If God does not exist, then the actual number killed is 0. No Satan either, big 0 there too.

 

That means 100% of the body count is due to humanity itself.

 

Therefore it's not God or religion that is evil, it's us. Right?

 
Originally Posted by Magpie:

Not only does God make it his business to kill.

JOY the elder of the Alabamian sex forum has taken a new twist.

She is supporting death wishes herself’

FirenzeVeritus is wishing I would die and Ubu is threatening to strangle me to death.

Ubu is threatening to come on my property to carry out deeds against me.

If anyone doubts this go over there and read for yourself. If I come up dead it very well could be at the hand of these two dudes. Fire, since I can’t get on over there would you please report yourself and Ubu to Forumotion as making felonious threats against me? Then go to the police and turn the two of you in.

 

 


What he calls a death threat ... http://alabamian.forumotion.co...wn-at-td-forums#3636 ...he is referring to the "if looks could kill" post.  Please feel free to look around the forum, which will refute the rest of his lies.


TVT Admin, this member has been reported and is still here.  If you allow his lies about me & others (which is breaking your own rules), a link revealing his lies about me will be my rebuttal from now on.

Originally Posted by NashBama:

The post fails basic theology 101, but it would be pointless to try and use that argument. So let's look at it this way.

 

If God does not exist, then the actual number killed is 0. No Satan either, big 0 there too.

 

That means 100% of the body count is due to humanity itself.

 

Therefore it's not God or religion that is evil, it's us. Right?



Fails Nash?  How many men, women and children were killed in the Flood, Nash?  Soddom and Gamorah?  What "falls" here?

If you believe in the God of the Bible, then you must accept that God did these things as described in the Bible.  Then you must pretend to still worship such a capricious and evil monster.


No, you could not conclude that "man" killed all these people.  God was clearly involved here. Man could not cause a global flood or kill all the first born babies in Egypt.  So either those storied are myths or God actually did do these things.  Which is it?

The last conclusion?  From a rational standpoint?  They are all made up stories used to motivate early man into aligning themselves with the church. Most were based on stories from other civilizations such as the Epic of Gilgamesh.  Someone may have seen the aftermath of an earthquake at Sodom and Gomorrah and attributed it to God just as some idiots insisted when the Tsunami hit Japan recently.  It is perfectly understandable how these stories got to be attributed to God.  We humans have always been good storytellers.  
 

Last edited by Unobtanium
Originally Posted by _Joy_:
 


What he calls a death threat ... http://alabamian.forumotion.co...wn-at-td-forums#3636 ...he is referring to the "if looks could kill" post.  Please feel free to look around the forum, which will refute the rest of his lies.


TVT Admin, this member has been reported and is still here.  If you allow his lies about me & others (which is breaking your own rules), a link revealing his lies about me will be my rebuttal from now on.

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Joy, we all know this person is unstable and irrational.  I did not for one second think you had done anything even resembling what he has accused you of.  So don't sweat it, friend.

Originally Posted by Magpie:

Fire baby I didn’t accuse the youngster. The adult witnesses related the story. You sound like you think its appropriate behavior.

You are guilty of a lot you don’t admit to over here. You appear as I’ve been told an old gossip talebearer.

BTW Who is the author of Margaret’s Musings? Is that you?

 

Can't read, can ya? The author of that blog gives her name. Oh, I forgot, we're all the same and we promote hedonism. That adult witness? She's the one who is Elvis' daughter, had an affair with Mac Davis, had ET register the cemetery three years ago, and is being watched by cameras on the top floor of the Residence Inn?

 

If you don't like Joy, Margaret, or me...what can I say...we're all in good company. We write for public consumption so we are fair game. A 17 year old girl is not. What in your twisted mind do you not understand about that?

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by _Joy_:
 


What he calls a death threat ... http://alabamian.forumotion.co...wn-at-td-forums#3636 ...he is referring to the "if looks could kill" post.  Please feel free to look around the forum, which will refute the rest of his lies.


TVT Admin, this member has been reported and is still here.  If you allow his lies about me & others (which is breaking your own rules), a link revealing his lies about me will be my rebuttal from now on.

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Joy, we all know this person is unstable and irrational.  I did not for one second think you had done anything even resembling what he has accused you of.  So don't sweat it, friend.


 

Thank you so much, Unob.  I agree; and he is not actually worth my time.  That was more for TVT and anyone he has or will target with thin skin.

Firenze Veritus wrote:

I think I missed wishing rram dead, too, but I may have said something about killing him...you know softly with his own kind words or something.

Bluetick wrote:

Just read magpies latest slur to this forum. Is it wrong that I picture my hands around his throat, his eyes bulging out, and his face a lovely shade of purple? Thats not wrong is it? I mean really. Is it?It is obvious, maggotpie, that you are coming here to read our forum. Ubu did not threaten to strangle you, nor did I. It was me however that expressed a desire to do so. Please give credit where it is due. I thank you in advance for your cooperation...............Just a quick question.....what did I do to you that made you start hating me? I tried to remain civil until you wouldn't allow it any longer.

 

I have nothing against you Bluetick since you asked. Or fire or ubu or anyone over there. Seriously fcol. Where are your brains?

just the aggregate of ignorance you all practice and know nothing about me.

You guys are certifiably nuts.

Intellectually you guys blow my mind. i cannot imagine any group being so gullible and stupid. I'm just using you idiots for entertainment. You haven't a clue about me and neither does Joy. pitiful pitiful. I have led you guys around by the nose until it is no longer funny.

 

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
 

God did these things as described in the Bible.  Then you must pretend to still worship such a caprisious and evil monster.

No, you could not conclude that "man" killed all these people.  God was clearly involved here. Man could not cause a global flood or kill all the first born babies in Egypt.  So either those are myths or God actually did do these things.

 

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un, You know God could have stopped all of it, He didn't.

You believe he didn't, and you also believe he will judge every human ever born.

 

It's either that or shut the hell up about what doesn't exist. You act a fool.

 

What you cannot seem to grasp, Magpie, is that when others are civil to you, it's because they are good people.  It is not because you have fooled anyone.  They remain true to themselves and who they are DESPITE who they know you to be.  People are not fooled by you; they tolerate you.  Since everyone has a limit and your hatefulness is limitless, at some point, you exceed that limit and they are done with you.  You also cannot seem to grasp that this is your own doing, your own fault, the consequence of your own behavior and that you have no one to blame but yourself.  It is yourself you should evaluate and target with criticism, not others, because you are the source of your issues.

Originally Posted by _Joy_:

What you cannot seem to grasp, Magpie, is that when others are civil to you, it's because they are good people.  It is not because you have fooled anyone.  They remain true to themselves and who they are DESPITE who they know you to be.  People are not fooled by you; they tolerate you.  Since everyone has a limit and your hatefulness is limitless, at some point, you exceed that limit and they are done with you.  You also cannot seem to grasp that this is your own doing, your own fault, the consequence of your own behavior and that you have no one to blame but yourself.  It is yourself you should evaluate and target with criticism, not others, because you are the source of your issues.

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Your post could apply to Bill Gray too, except the part about people being done with him.

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by NashBama:

The post fails basic theology 101, but it would be pointless to try and use that argument. So let's look at it this way.

 

If God does not exist, then the actual number killed is 0. No Satan either, big 0 there too.

 

That means 100% of the body count is due to humanity itself.

 

Therefore it's not God or religion that is evil, it's us. Right?



Fails Nash?  How many men, women and children were killed in the Flood, Nash?  Soddom and Gamorah?  What "falls" here?

If you believe in the God of the Bible, then you must accept that God did these things as described in the Bible.  Then you must pretend to still worship such a capricious and evil monster.


No, you could not conclude that "man" killed all these people.  God was clearly involved here. Man could not cause a global flood or kill all the first born babies in Egypt.  So either those storied are myths or God actually did do these things.  Which is it?

The last conclusion?  From a rational standpoint?  They are all made up stories used to motivate early man into aligning themselves with the church. Most were based on stories from other civilizations such as the Epic of Gilgamesh.  Someone may have seen the aftermath of an earthquake at Sodom and Gomorrah and attributed it to God just as some idiots insisted when the Tsunami hit Japan recently.  It is perfectly understandable how these stories got to be attributed to God.  We humans have always been good storytellers.  
 

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You're missing it. Like I said, basic theology 101 and you're missing it. I'll let you use your logic, reason, and problem solving abilities to see if you can figure it out.

 

Every example you've given about how God is a "capricious and evil monster" comes from the OT and the Torah.

 

So would you say that Jews worship an evil monster?

 

You also completely skipped my last question.

Originally Posted by NashBama:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by NashBama:

The post fails basic theology 101, but it would be pointless to try and use that argument. So let's look at it this way.

 

If God does not exist, then the actual number killed is 0. No Satan either, big 0 there too.

 

That means 100% of the body count is due to humanity itself.

 

Therefore it's not God or religion that is evil, it's us. Right?



Fails Nash?  How many men, women and children were killed in the Flood, Nash?  Soddom and Gamorah?  What "falls" here?

If you believe in the God of the Bible, then you must accept that God did these things as described in the Bible.  Then you must pretend to still worship such a capricious and evil monster.


No, you could not conclude that "man" killed all these people.  God was clearly involved here. Man could not cause a global flood or kill all the first born babies in Egypt.  So either those storied are myths or God actually did do these things.  Which is it?

The last conclusion?  From a rational standpoint?  They are all made up stories used to motivate early man into aligning themselves with the church. Most were based on stories from other civilizations such as the Epic of Gilgamesh.  Someone may have seen the aftermath of an earthquake at Sodom and Gomorrah and attributed it to God just as some idiots insisted when the Tsunami hit Japan recently.  It is perfectly understandable how these stories got to be attributed to God.  We humans have always been good storytellers.  
 

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You're missing it. Like I said, basic theology 101 and you're missing it. I'll let you use your logic, reason, and problem solving abilities to see if you can figure it out.

 

Every example you've given about how God is a "capricious and evil monster" comes from the OT and the Torah.

 

So would you say that Jews worship an evil monster?

 

You also completely skipped my last question.

To get back on topic.

So would you say that Jews worship an evil monster?

 

 

Originally Posted by NashBama:
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You're missing it. Like I said, basic theology 101 and you're missing it. I'll let you use your logic, reason, and problem solving abilities to see if you can figure it out.

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Nope. My logic fails me this time.  I'm going to need you to spoon feed me. 

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Every example you've given about how God is a "capricious and evil monster" comes from the OT and the Torah.  So would you say that Jews worship an evil monster?


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Of course I would.  I also put Muslims into the same boat.  And probably a few other religions that I am ignorant of.  


Do you want to go to the New Testament?  That's where Jesus introdiuced to Hell, you know.  God did all the killing in the OT but Jesus brought to us the new deal of eternal punishment. Since only a few percent of the population is actually Christian, that means many millions of going to Jesus's hell.*

 

Do we need to go ti Romans somewhere where it talks about the death of homos, murderers, thieves, but not rapists get a pass?*

 

Do I really need to remind you that Jesus clearly stated a number of times that he came up uphold the old law, not dispense with it?*

 

Do I need to remind you that Jesus was the EXACT SAME GOD as the evil monster in the Old Testament?*

 

I anxiously await your logical, reasoned answer, Nash.  

 

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You also completely skipped my last question.

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No idea what you're talking about there.  I'll always answer your questions.

 

(* Unless, of course,  it's all BS and ten all this makes sense)

Of course I would.  I also put Muslims into the same boat.  And probably a few other religions that I am ignorant of. 

 

So say it then. It will appear pretty anti-Semitic, but if you believe it then say it.

 

Do I really need to remind you that Jesus clearly stated a number of times that he came up uphold the old law, not dispense with it?*

So many things wrong with this whole post. I'll limit my response to just this one error.

 

He didn't say "uphold", He said "fulfill". Two completely different words with two completely different meanings. Matthew 5:17-18

 

Like I said, basic theology 101. You don't get it.

 

When BG says things like "if we came from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?", he sounds really dumb. Why? Because he doesn't get it. You and I both went to college (I'm assuming you did) and studied biology. We know why that statement is wrong. He doesn't because he doesn't want to.

 

It's the same thing. Discussing theology with you is like discussing evolution with BG. You make really bad statements and you don't see why they're wrong. You don't get it. Until you want to understand theology, you never will. Until then, the things you say sound silly.

Originally Posted by NashBama:

 

He didn't say "uphold", He said "fulfill". Two completely different words with two completely different meanings. Matthew 5:17-18

 

Like I said, basic theology 101. You don't get it.

 

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"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

 

Nash, I can inform Bill in a logical, reasonable manner that we did not come from monkeys, but that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor that lived 10 million or more years ago. Monkeys eventually evolved on one branch and man eventually evolved from another.  See? That is a very simple explanation that is logical and reasonable.  Even Bill could understand it.  He won't agree, of course, but he is capable of following the logic.

So help me out with the logic?  Yes, I know the rationalizations that stem from this passage.  That Jesus released us from the old law because he "fulfilled" it.  I've never, ever seen an explanation that makes any real sense.  The passage above is quite clear and is really the only passage where Jesus makes it clear that he did not abolish the old law. 


Yes, I understand how badly folks want to distance the Old form the New testament.  I used to hate the OT, too.  But the fact remains that Jesus (if he is who you think he is) was the EXACT SAME GOD as the evil monster in the OT.  So, according to you, Jesus also killed all those children of his.

 

And do I need to remind you that Jesus sicked some bears on 40 people and had them slaughtered?  He also temporarily blinded a teacher just to teach him a lesson.  Nice guy, that Jesus.

That was also after he just cleansed the water.

 

 

19Now the men of the city said to Elisha, "Behold, the situation of this city is pleasant, as my lord sees, but the water is bad, and the land is unfruitful." 20He said, "Bring me a new bowl, and put salt in it." So they brought it to him. 21Then he went to the spring of water and threw salt in it and said, "Thus says the LORD, I have healed this water; from now on neither death nor miscarriage shall come from it." 22So the water has been healed to this day, according to the word that Elisha spoke.

 23He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, "Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" 24And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys. 25From there he went on to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.

 

She Bear Attacks!

Everyone is aware that a mother bear will fight to the death to protect her cubs. Few people would want to encounter two mother bears at once. It happened once upon a time near the city of Bethel which was located just north of Jerusalem. Today it is known as the Arab village of Bitan.

 

Now it came to be that the prophet Elisha had left Jericho and was traveling to Bethel. As he was walking along he was approached by some forty two young people who began to mock him. You see Elisha had been a follower of Elijah and God had taken Elijah up in a whirlwind. Elisha saw this miracle and asked Elijah to throw him his coat which Elijah did. Now Elisha was picking up the mantle of Elijah and working for God as he beloved friend had done.

“Why can’t you do miracles like Elijah? He did great miracles but you can’t do any. You are just an old bald headed man. Go on up old bald headed man. Go up like Elijah!” The young men taunted the prophet laughing at him and making fun of him.

It often happens that when young people come together in gangs bad things happen. So it was with this gang. They had always been abusive to any of God’s prophets. They had been born in Bethel and King Jeroboam had created an idol calf for the people to worship. When God is absent from anyone’s life corruption is sure to follow.

“Let’s see you go up into a whirlwind you old bald headed man. Let’s see if you are as good as the other so-called prophet. Let’s see if God thinks as much of you as He did Elijah!” They mocked.

Elisha wondered why these young men were outside the city and trying to cause trouble. He had done nothing to cause this onslaught. He was trying to show all the people that they were worshipping an evil god and should turn away from such. He was only doing God’s work for God was the one who performed the miracle with Elijah. Yet the taunts continued as the gang followed him.

“We want to see you perform a miracle if you CAN!” The men continued as they laughed and jeered. “We heard others talk about you and Elijah. They said you are a miracle worker. Let’s see you go up into the heavens in a whirlwind!” They scoffed.

Elisha finally became irritated. Turning around he looked directly at them and said.

“I call down a curse upon all of you in the name of God!” He pointed his finger in the men’s direction.

Suddenly God stepped into the picture to protect His prophet.

A thunderous growl sounded. As the young men looked around they began to scream.

“It is two she bears coming out of the woods. Everyone run for your lives!” They screamed.

Now the she bears came out of the woods running, angry and hungry. The bears were in a full run at a speed of about thirty miles per hour. The young men tried to out run the bears but they could not. All forty-two men were mauled and eaten by the she bears. Elisha had cursed the gang but God was the one who sent the judgment against them.

It is not a wise thing to taunt a servant of the highest God. When you taunt one who is chosen of God you are also mocking God.

“These young men wanted to see the same power that had taken Elijah up into the heavens in a whirlwind. God granted them their wish.” Elisha mumbled as he continued his journey.

Be careful about making fun of others for God is watching and will always defend the righteous.

Question: Why did the forty two men become food for the bears?

 

Written by Sybil Shearin


Taken from (2 Kings 2:24)

 

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Now sybil did clean it up a bit, and made the bear food men, Wonder why? Why not tell the kids the story the way it is in the bible?

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