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On topic...Unob, it doesn't matter if I like or dislike something God does.  If I believe he is God, he is who is is regardless of how I feel about him.  There are things in OT times that I have trouble accepting in the time in which I live.  I have no idea how I would have felt about it had I lived during OT times, but the above still stands.  God is who he says he is and he will do what he says he will do, with or without our approval.

Originally Posted by _Joy_:
Originally Posted by Magpie:
Originally Posted by _Joy_:

Uh, no, just stating the obvious, dear.

Joy dear, does this mean I'm forgiven???pretty please????

I've already answered that. https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/d...7#225482136288369757

Joy, on bended knee, I promise if you give me one more chanch I’ll be good.

That’s the Christian thing for you to do. Right?

I’ll go to church with you Sunday.

I’ll go by and pick up unoi and bring him too.

I’ll help you drag him up to the mourners bench.

Originally Posted by _Joy_:

On topic...Unob, it doesn't matter if I like or dislike something God does.  If I believe he is God, he is who is is regardless of how I feel about him.  There are things in OT times that I have trouble accepting in the time in which I live.  I have no idea how I would have felt about it had I lived during OT times, but the above still stands.  God is who he says he is and he will do what he says he will do, with or without our approval.

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very good joy, well said.

Originally Posted by NashBama:
And do I need to remind you that Jesus sicked some bears on 40 people and had them slaughtered? 
 
No he didn't.
 
That story comes from 2nd Kings and is about Elisha, not Jesus. 2nd Kings is OT.
 
You proved my point. You don't get it.

Oops, you are right.  Got my books confused.

I still win, of course.  God 1.0 and God 2.0 (aka Jesus) were the same dude,  

Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

Why would Satan want to kill his followers on earth. The longer people like yourself stay around the more damage they do. Another reason is, the only way that satan could kill was if God allowed it.
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Ahh. So Satan must ask God's permission to do evil.  And God obviously says "Well heyul yeah, my friend!  I've done all I can so have at the little bas*ards!"

Nice guy, that God.

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As a believer in Jesus Christ it really makes me wonder why God allows people like you that spread your hate of God to even exist.

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Nice example of "Christian love" there. Fireman.  As an "evil" atheist, I would never wish death and suffering upon you. Dislike you? Sure (or at least your avatar here on this forum - i don't really "know" you). But it takes religion to foster such irrational hatred.  

Taking note that not a single one of the "gentle" believers take exception to this comment.  That is very telling. 

Yep Unob.

 

What it tells is no one cares about this forum anymore.  All I hear is 'deal with it', 'cry baby', 'grow up, ' 'don't be so thin skinned', etc........................

 

So back at cha, sweetie.

 

Hitchens was thrilled over the death of Jerry Falwell, even celebrating and wishing he does find a real Hell. So take your fake hypocrisy and grow up.

Dang, even most christians hated Falwell. Thought the point was that christians didn't have those thoughts, or if they did they prayed about it. Looks like they're allowed to have them and voice them too. They go to great lengths to do it too, wanting to shoot atheists or nail them to crosses. Oh well, just another love fest day on the good old religious forum.

Originally Posted by b50m:

Hitchens was thrilled over the death of Jerry Falwell, even celebrating and wishing he does find a real Hell. So take your fake hypocrisy and grow up.

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B50, hypocrisy is saying one thing yet doing another.  Atheists don't preach "universal love" or pretend to be anything more than faulty humans.  Yes, our disagreement with people who believe in invisible sky fairies is often branded "hateful" but it really isn't.  We just disagree. You take it personally because your invisible sky daddy is a "real" daddy to you.  I can't blame you.  I used to feel the same.

Yes, I delight in the demise of certain evil people, too. I won't say I delighted in Jerry Fallwell's death but he was a pretty darn evil hypocrite so I certainly didn't lose much sleep. The man bilked little old ladies out of millions.  I certainly gleefully celebrate the death of Warren Jeffs or any of the thousands of priests who raped children in the name of God.

I embrace that seething hatred of certain evil people.  I don't pretend otherwise.  That is not hypocrisy, ma'am.    

 
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by b50m:

Hitchens was thrilled over the death of Jerry Falwell, even celebrating and wishing he does find a real Hell. So take your fake hypocrisy and grow up.

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B50, hypocrisy is saying one thing yet doing another.  Atheists don't preach "universal love" or pretend to be anything more than faulty humans.  Yes, our disagreement with people who believe in invisible sky fairies is often branded "hateful" but it really isn't.  We just disagree. You take it personally because your invisible sky daddy is a "real" daddy to you.  I can't blame you.  I used to feel the same.

Yes, I delight in the demise of certain evil people, too. I won't say I delighted in Jerry Fallwell's death but he was a pretty darn evil hypocrite so I certainly didn't lose much sleep. The man bilked little old ladies out of millions.  I certainly gleefully celebrate the death of Warren Jeffs or any of the thousands of priests who raped children in the name of God.

I embrace that seething hatred of certain evil people.  I don't pretend otherwise.  That is not hypocrisy, ma'am.    

Hypocrisy in saying that:

.  As an "evil" atheist, I would never wish death and suffering upon you.

But many of your brethren love to wish death and suffering on religious leaders they don't like, which is ALL of them. You all are overjoyed when  a religious person dies, then yell foul if a Christian brings up Hell.

I know the meaning of hypocrisy Unob. It's practiced on here every day. So don't get on your high horse 'to teach me what it means'. You simply ignore the part you agree with. So what if you insult every religious person every day, it's your free speech, correct? If DF would ever admit he would outlaw religion, we could see the 'true' side of the rational atheist.

 

Don't whine when you are told to Go To Hell. You don't believe in it anyway.

Originally Posted by _Joy_:

I have no idea how I would have felt about it had I lived during OT times, but the above still stands.  God is who he says he is and he will do what he says he will do, with or without our approval.

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You don't know how you would feel if you lived under the Old Testament tyranny yet you guys are critical of atheists for just admitting that some of that stuff is just plain evil. 


To borrow from some one I miss.

 

Old Faithful
 
May 5, 2009 10:56 AM
 

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Originally posted by msmcneil:
Going at this from another direction, I wonder if one atheist has ever discerned meaning in the universe only to have another atheist say: "Prove it".

Personal beliefs are not subject to proof. They should be self evident.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not an atheist. My good friends, DeepFat and Skeptic are, and we have very spirited conversations about the topic. There are those who believe me to be thus because I do not believe as they do.

I believe in God, and have accepted Jesus Christ as my savior. I don't claim to understand their natures, but I try imperfectly to live a life that follows what I perceive to be their examples. I do not believe the bible to be the inerrant word of God; however, it is not necessary to me that it be so. I find comfort and guidance within it, without accepting everything within its four corners literally, as written. I believe God also speaks to me through particle physics, calculus, science, literature, and music. I believe that science and religion will ultimately be reconciled, and that universal truth will ultimately prevail. To me, heaven and eternal life will consist of an everlasting search for meaning and illumination.

I believe we are images of God, as different from Him as we are from a photograph of ourselves. I believe that God jealously guards free will. He has permitted evil to exist in our world to judge our resistance and response to it.

I fully accept that others are free to believe as they will, and the Kingdom of God should not be expanded by flogging people into it.
 

 

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by _Joy_:
On topic...Unob, it doesn't matter if I like or dislike something God does.  If I believe he is God, he is who is is regardless of how I feel about him.  There are things in OT times that I have trouble accepting in the time in which I live.  I have no idea how I would have felt about it had I lived during OT times, but the above still stands.  God is who he says he is and he will do what he says he will do, with or without our approval.

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You don't know how you would feel if you lived under the Old Testament tyranny yet you guys are critical of atheists for just admitting that some of that stuff is just plain evil. 


Critical or just disagree with your conclusion?  It is unlikely that a believer and a non-believer will see eye to eye on anything in the Bible.  I don't see why that insults either person as long as they are being respectful toward each other in their discussions.

Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

As a believer in Jesus Christ it really makes me wonder why God allows people like you that spread your hate of God to even exist.

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Andrea Yates killed her children because she said God told her to, that if

she had not taken their lives, they would have gone to hell.

 

If you feel that unbelievers do nothing but spread hate, & you don't understand why they exist & you believed that God was telling you to go out & kill all of them, would you do it?

 

Originally Posted by _Joy_:
Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by _Joy_:
On topic...Unob, it doesn't matter if I like or dislike something God does.  If I believe he is God, he is who is is regardless of how I feel about him.  There are things in OT times that I have trouble accepting in the time in which I live.  I have no idea how I would have felt about it had I lived during OT times, but the above still stands.  God is who he says he is and he will do what he says he will do, with or without our approval.

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You don't know how you would feel if you lived under the Old Testament tyranny yet you guys are critical of atheists for just admitting that some of that stuff is just plain evil. 


Critical or just disagree with your conclusion?  It is unlikely that a believer and a non-believer will see eye to eye on anything in the Bible.  I don't see why that insults either person as long as they are being respectful toward each other in their discussions.

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Good words. Just trying to grasp how I can see evil intent yet others see the "love of God."  

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