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Originally posted by savinforarainyday:
You must receive Jesus' death on the cross as
a sacrifice for your sins. We cannot be good enough or holy enough to gain favor with God. He only recognizes your relationship with Jesus. So what is your relationship with Jesus? He doesn't care how much you go to church or how much you give or who your parents are or how much good you have done in the world or if you curse, smoke, are a prostitute or whether you are a drug dealer for that matter...Have you accepted Jesus's death as your only hope for a relationship with God? That's it. Without Jesus we have nothing.


Well, heck! That's simple.....I can get saved, just keep on whatever way I'm living...I'm still going to Heaven.
What in the world is hell for? Confused Big Grin
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He doesn't care how much you go to church or how much you give or who your parents are or how much good you have done in the world or if you curse, smoke, are a prostitute or whether you are a drug dealer for that matter


Are you really saying that I could be a meth-cooker and dealer, and a prostitute, and be guaranteed a spot in Heaven? Really?
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He doesn't care how much you go to church or how much you give or who your parents are or how much good you have done in the world or if you curse, smoke, are a prostitute or whether you are a drug dealer for that matter


Are you really saying that I could be a meth-cooker and dealer, and a prostitute, and be guaranteed a spot in Heaven? Really?


according to TheBill.... you can be ' saved ' in your early 20's... and then by the tiem your 30 have undergone some horrible life changing trauma and decide to drive around the country and shoot every member of clergy in the head, and even if they don't catch you till after you've popped over 200 preachers, pastors, priests and nuns, and have financed your operation by kidnapping 8 year olds and selling them off for prostitution, then you're STILL going to heaven because once saved, always saved.
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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
Had: Last I checked-Yer still fired.


Well now, if you had the powers that God has I might be worried. But you dont worry me one bit little man. Wink


Ya need to learn to pay attention better. I said "Last I checked." Not "Last I fired you."
There's a difference, Smacky. Wink
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He doesn't care how much you go to church or how much you give or who your parents are or how much good you have done in the world or if you curse, smoke, are a prostitute or whether you are a drug dealer for that matter


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Originally posted by vplee123:
Are you really saying that I could be a meth-cooker and dealer, and a prostitute, and be guaranteed a spot in Heaven? Really?


Kinda blows your mind, don't it? Or at least it does mine. Big Grin
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He doesn't care how much you go to church or how much you give or who your parents are or how much good you have done in the world or if you curse, smoke, are a prostitute or whether you are a drug dealer for that matter


Are you really saying that I could be a meth-cooker and dealer, and a prostitute, and be guaranteed a spot in Heaven? Really?


The Bible is very relevant to where we are today. All sorts of messed up people in there. King David for example was a peeping Tom and saw a lady out on a roof bathing. Then asks about her and sends for her. Has his way with her. She gets pregnant ..meanwhile her husband is out fighting in the war. David sends for him to come home from the field because that way he will think it is his child. But the guy would not even so much as go in his house because he was a man of integrity and wanted to get back out to fight the war. So David has him sent to the front lines basically to his death. Then when he is dead ...David married the guys wife. Now tell me who on this forum has committed adultrey, then has the guy murdered to cover up his sin. David was called a man after God's own heart. When God called him out on it...he turned from his sin and called out to God to create in him a clean heart and not to cast him out from His presence. We were all born with the nature to sin. That is why Jesus had to live a perfect life and die in our place. Believe me when I say that you call on God where you are and don't try to clean yourself up first. Sometimes you have to hit bottom to find God.
Another thing ..I think this relates to the question that everyone has about "am I really saying that you can be a prostitute and go to heaven". .. My little boy(5 yrs old) was crying after church one day as he got in the car. We were like what in the world is wrong!? He said his Sunday school teacher had told him that he won't have toys in heaven. Broke his heart! What she didn't mention was that his wants would be different in heaven. So we told him that everything he wants will be in heaven, case closed. Now the same rule applies here. When you accept Jesus's death as the sacrifice for your sin He comes into your heart and changes your desires. As long as you are walking and talking with Him ..He is continually making you more like Himself. Now some of you who know some "pretender Christians" ...holier than thou types or hypocrits are probably thinking "no way" but read the Gospels for yourself...Jesus was a cool guy. He was friends with the regular people ..not with the high and mighty religious leaders. They are the ones who killed Him. Jesus is the best friend you will ever have. He knows everything about you and still has a perfect love for you. He loves everyone in this way. But sin cannot enter into the presence of God so God had to make the way for you to come to Him with Jesus.

"That's what Christmas is all about Charlie Brown."...taken from Linus in Merry Christmas Charlie Brown...
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Originally posted by savinforarainyday:
He doesn't care how much you go to church or how much you give or who your parents are or how much good you have done in the world or if you curse, smoke, are a prostitute or whether you are a drug dealer for that matter
Are you really saying that I could be a meth-cooker and dealer, and a prostitute, and be guaranteed a spot in Heaven? Really?

Hi VP,


What Savin is saying is that it does not matter what you WERE before you came to Christ. You could be the world's worst sinner -- but, once you sincerely invite Jesus Christ to come into your heart and be your personal Lord and Savior -- you are a Forgiven Sinner -- and you are saved.

A few years ago, I listened to an interview on a Christian radio program of a man who had been a Mafia hit man. He had killed many people for money. Yet, when he repented, turned from that lifestyle and turned to follow Jesus Christ -- his sins, all of them, were forgiven him. At that moment, he was indwelled and sealed by the Holy Spirit -- covered by the righteousness of Jesus Christ -- and pure in the eyes of God.

Can a person become a Christian believer -- and continue to be a Mafia hit man, a drug user or dealer, a prostitute, etc.?

No!

When a person truly, sincerely repents and becomes a Christ Follower, this person has the Holy Spirit residing within -- to guide, teach, and convict. If a person can return to these lifestyles and not be convicted -- that person never really became a Christian believer.

So, yes, regardless of what we have been before turning to Christ, no matter how scarlet our lives before -- we can turn to Him and be as white as snow.

Romans 8:1 tells us, "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I may not have made myself clear. When you ask Jesus in your heart.....He cleans house. You don't decide to do better or turn over a new leaf...He shows you how terrible sin is for you. You begin to abhor sin in your life. Its hard to describe until you have experienced it.

Romans 6 explains this better than I can. Seems long but its not terribly.


Romans 6
Dead to Sin, Alive to God
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.
18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.
22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I read a autobiography once about a woman who came to God. Wish I remembered her name. She told about how she "saw" people right after her salvation experience. It was as if she was super sensitive to their need of God. She was in NY city and there were prostitutes on the street. She told how she had always thought of that lifestyle as glamorous (yeah she was really messed up)but now passing by them she saw skeletons. Like dead people walking.
But even after we accept Jesus into our hearts, we are still going to sin. It's unavoidable.
And Jesus tells us to repent and be faithful. We are not going to succeed at that time. So past sins, yes, sure they are forgiven. But the ones we commit after "salvation": we are still accountable, aren't we. We still need mercy and forgiveness. God is omnipotent and omniscent= he knows our sins...so it's not like he doesn't "care", he cares deeply.
Those of us who enjoy normal morality know when we've f.... messed up.

Why bring god, forgiveness, vicarious human sacrifice, and all that baggage into the equation?

I make mistakes against my fellow humans, and myself, regularly. This makes me human. I try to avoid making the same mistake twice, because mistakes make me feel bad.

BJBG to God... You're FIRED!

We need not god to tell us when we've hurt our neighbors. We have it in ourselves. We were born with it. As we grew, we examined, abstracted, codified, and challenged such trespasses.

God is not only not necessary for a real, human morality, he's an impediment.
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Those of us who enjoy normal morality know when we've f.... messed up


He doesn't have to be an impediment. We f...mess up all the time. For me, I strive to deal with others, and live my life in general, in order to hear these words "Well done, my good and faithful servant".
Thats all I need.Smiler I don't think he's an impediment at all if you truly truly want His friendship. It's when people are fake and phony and two-faced that religion becomes an impediment.
It's when people are fake and phony and two-faced that religion becomes an impediment.[/QUOTE]

Amen vplee123! That is why Jesus had a problem with the religious leaders of His day. I am in the process of hunting a church right now. I have been to countless churches over the past few months. This may sound sacriligious to some but I know God knows my heart so I apologize to everyone in advance. I go in churches a lot of the time and feel like I am watching a SNL skit about Christians. The strange fake "preachery voice" that pastors use for effect. ... Low cut blouses and tight high skirts. Do these things in any way represent God in this world? I want a real church with real people who love God. Not people who try to impress each other with their nice clothes, jewelry , and SUVs. People who are open about the fact that if God doesn't come through for them this week..they are sunk.
Veep,

There's certainly enough of that.

How many people actually examine what it means to be moral?

Do they take scriptural commands and twist and warp them to fit contemporary situations?

It's not necessary. The Golden Rule usually serves quite well. As you know, the Golden Rule predates Jesus by at least a thousand years.

Why not molest a child? Look at it from the child's point.

Why not rob a bank? Look at it from the bank's point of view, and its customers.

Why not cheat a friend? Would we like to be cheated by our friends?

Religion is no basis for morality.

Why not fly an airplane into the World Trade Center? It is Allah's commandment, after all.

Why not molest an alter boy? The priests have a special communication with god and know how to absolve themselves.

Why not murder helpless suspects of witchcraft in Christian Africa? Does not the bible tell us not to suffer a witch to live?

The proscriptions against homosexuality, rebellious teenagers, adulterers, infidels, money lenders, the unfaithful are all religious in nature. There are no other justifications.

God gets in the way of morality.

Humanist morality can be universal. It can be understood by all.
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Originally posted by Road Puppy:
Had: Last I checked-Yer still fired.


Well now, if you had the powers that God has I might be worried. But you dont worry me one bit little man. Wink


Ya need to learn to pay attention better. I said "Last I checked." Not "Last I fired you."
There's a difference, Smacky. Wink


Not only Smacky, but noticeably angry alot. What is his (HadEnough's) point of contention exactly? The God I serve is a kind and loving God not filled with hate and rage of some of these posters.
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Veep,

As you know, the Golden Rule predates Jesus by at least a thousand years.



I did not know this. Curious where you got this info. Seriously...I am not being a smart aleck.


It is at least as old as the Old Testament which was written between approximately 1400BC to 400BC.

I'm sure you can google a more precise date.
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Originally posted by savinforarainyday:
This may sound sacriligious to some but I know God knows my heart so I apologize to everyone in advance. I go in churches a lot of the time and feel like I am watching a SNL skit about Christians. The strange fake "preachery voice" that pastors use for effect. ... Low cut blouses and tight high skirts. Do these things in any way represent God in this world? I want a real church with real people who love God. Not people who try to impress each other with their nice clothes, jewelry , and SUVs.


Doesn't sound sacrilegious to me. The words you wrote are true.
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Originally posted by savinforarainyday:
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Veep,

As you know, the Golden Rule predates Jesus by at least a thousand years.



I did not know this. Curious where you got this info. Seriously...I am not being a smart aleck.


It is at least as old as the Old Testament which was written between approximately 1400BC to 400BC.

I'm sure you can google a more precise date.


I googled and found. I didn't know.

You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:18
Of course Jesus was in the beginning with God so you can't say it was before Jesus just as you can't say before God. They are eternal. But it was an interesting tidbit of info.
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Originally posted by savinforarainyday:
Jesus is the best friend you will ever have. He knows everything about you and still has a perfect love for you. He loves everyone in this way.


Yes, He loves us so much that if we don't obey, & walk that thin line, he will send us straight to Hell.
I could do well without that kind of friend.


Would you love your child when it doesn't obey and he/she is running out into a busy highway? Of course...would you do whatever is in your power to stop him before it was too late? But the child has a mind of his own. God made a way for us to relate to Him because He loves us. We are not the center of the universe..He is. We were created for His pleasure. He wants a relationship with us But we are sinful because of Adam. But God cannot be in the presence of sin. When we dis His Son we send ourselves to Hell..Hell was not created for people but for Satan.
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Originally posted by savinforarainyday:
Would you love your child when it doesn't obey and he/she is running out into a busy highway? Of course...would you do whatever is in your power to stop him before it was too late? But the child has a mind of his own. God made a way for us to relate to Him because He loves us. We are not the center of the universe..He is. We were created for His pleasure. He wants a relationship with us But we are sinful because of Adam. But God cannot be in the presence of sin. When we dis His Son we send ourselves to Hell..Hell was not created for people but for Satan.


Please understand that I in no way mean to be rude to you. We are having an adult conversation, ok? Wink

I thought you might use this argument cause I've heard it all before.

If my child were to run out into a busy highway, I would do whatever it took to save him, no matter how many times he did it.
I would not punish him by putting him into a lake of fire. How could I torture my child? I couldn't.

You say Hell was not created for people but for Satan? Will you agree that many people will go to Hell? We may disobey, but there's only one way I can get there & that's thru God. If it was my choice to go there, I wouldn't go.

You'll say it is my choice but I don't agree. There's going to be many people that honestly believe they're saved, but they will end up in Hell. Finding out too late, that they were doing it wrong.
Hi Chick,

You tell Savin, "You say Hell was not created for people but for Satan?"

Basically, I believe that is true -- for Lucifer/Satan rebelled against God before the Creation -- or, at least before Adam's fall. Therefore, Hades/Torment/Hell was initially meant for Satan and his fallen angels. However, when Adam disobeyed God and brought sin and death into the creation -- it became the eternal destination for all unrepentant sinners.

Did Satan's rebellion or Adam's fall surprise God? No. God cannot be surprised. God is omniscient and knows all things -- past, present, and future. So, when He designated hell for Satan -- yes, He knew that many unrepentant sinners would join Satan and his demonic angels.

You ask, "Will you agree that many people will go to Hell?"

Yes, billions are in Hades/Torment (Luke 16:19-31) now and will, one day, stand in judgment before Jesus Christ at the Great White Throne Judgment -- and then will go eternally into Hell, the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:11-15).

Did God send them to Hell? No, they condemned themselves by continuing to deny God and refusing to follow Jesus Christ. A person has his whole life to believe and receive forgiveness and eternal life in Christ. We all have until that last breath to repent and turn to Him. However, the danger of this is that none of us know when that last breath will occur -- or, when it does, if we will have a chance to repent and be saved.

So, the best bet is to do it right now. Sincerely open your heart, invite Jesus Christ to come in and be your Lord and Savior (Revelation 3:20). Don't trust having time before that last breath. Get your reservations right now -- and you will not have to worry. Once you book that reservation (John 1:12) -- it cannot be canceled (John 6:47).

Next, you say, "We may disobey, but there's only one way I can get there and that's through God. If it was my choice to go there, I wouldn't go."

IT IS YOUR CHOICE! Right now -- you can make a decision to follow Jesus Christ -- to stop following the world. If you continue to follow the world and reject Jesus Christ -- you have made a choice. We ALL must make that choice: Jesus Christ or the world -- heaven or hell. There are no other choices. But, YOU HAVE to make the choice.

God will not make the choice for you and no one else can make that choice for you. Right now -- you have the opportunity to make a choice: Door A or Door B. Behind Door A stands Jesus Christ just waiting for you to open the door and invite Him in. Behind Door B stand eternal hell. Is that really a choice?

However, many folks will say, "I am NOT going to choose!" But, you are! By making that declaration, you HAVE made a choice -- but, you have made the wrong choice. Not choosing IS choosing -- for the default choice is hell. A person MUST personally choose to have eternal life with God. Your default choice is hell. But, either way -- YOU MADE THE CHOICE!

Then, you say, "You'll say it is my choice but I don't agree."

Whether you agree or not, whether you believe it or not, is irrelevant -- it is true. This is all clearly spelled out in the Bible.

Finally, you say, "There's going to be many people that honestly believe they're saved, but they will end up in Hell. Finding out too late, that they were doing it wrong."

That is true. Many people believe, or at least, will tell you they are Christian -- and they may believe it -- and, yet, not be a Christian believer. I did not become a Christian believer until I was fifty. However, for most of my life, if anyone asked if I was a Christian -- without hesitating, I would say, "Yes! I am a Christian!"[/b] But, I was so wrong.

What did I base this wrong assumption upon? When I was a teenager, I attended the First Baptist church in Sheffield and sometimes the Methodist. After joining the Air Force in 1955 and leaving Alabama, I attended many churches -- Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Baptist, Reform (Garden Grove Community/Crystal Cathedral), non-denominational, etc. You name it, I found it during that next thirty years.

At age twenty, I was in the Air Force hospital in Texas and a friend and I started reading the New Testament. We decided we wanted to be baptized -- so we went to the hospital chaplain, who happened to be from a large Protestant denomination, and asked to be baptized. He did not ask us any questions, i.e, do we understand why we are being baptized? -- do we believe in Jesus Christ? -- do we attend services? -- nothing. We just went into his office, he sprinkled water on our heads and bid us goodbye. That was it -- an appointment in his office, water on my head, now go away. As you might imagine, that baptism did not take. It was a waste of good water.

During my years of searching, the main problem was that during all those years I found lots of churches -- but, I never found Jesus Christ. Not that He was lost; I was the one who was lost. If I had died during those years -- all that church attendance would have meant nothing, nil. I would have condemned myself to eternal hell because I had not made a deliberate choice to follow Jesus Christ.

I can recall an afternoon, about twenty-four years ago, when I sat with a friend, Don Mrla, and his pastor, Pastor Bien, and debated for several hours why I did not have to attend any church to be a Christian. I say debated -- actually, they let me talk and build my [i]"house built on the sand"
case -- for they knew that in my frame of mind I would never have listened to them. At that point, because of my lack of Biblical knowledge, my misunderstanding about what it meant to be a Christian, and my determined "I am a Christian so don't bother me with church" attitude -- they realized that the only thing they could do was pray for me.

One excuse I might have had that time was my total ignorance of Biblical truth. Yes, I had attended churches all my life -- but, I did not even own a Bible. And, when I did try to read a Bible in my hotel rooms -- I could not make sense of it. I was spiritually blind.

But, through having a wife who prayed for me for ten years, and having friends who joined her -- and finally having God bring a truly Godly pastor, Pastor Sam, into my life -- I was saved and now I know that I have eternal life in Christ.

However, for all those years I wandered in and out of churches -- if I had died -- my fate would have been eternity in the Lake of Fire, Hell.

This is why I am so adamant, so persistent, about sharing the Gospel and the Word of God on the Religion Forum, in my Friends Ministry eNewsletters, and in every venue God will bring to me. I could have been eternally lost for lack of Biblical knowledge. I do not want to see anyone else in that perilous situation. So, if through my writings, even one person finds the truth and is saved -- praise God!

My fondest desire is that one day, when I am in heaven -- one person will come up to me and say, "Thank you. Your writing is what helped me know that I needed to make a choice to follow Jesus Christ." Can you imagine the joy that would bring?

Chick, don't do it because I suggest it. Do it for yourself. But, do seriously consider your spiritual state today -- and what it would be if you, for any reason, were to die or be killed -- where do you REALLY want to spend eternity? Consider that and then act upon your decision. I would sincerely love to meet you in heaven one day.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill, you believe once saved, always saved. I don't. I was saved many years ago, know that just as sure as I'm sitting here replying to your post.

I did the whole nine yards, attended church, read my Bible, prayed...all of it. Life got in the way & it became too hard. Things happened that led me to believe that God doesn't answer prayers. There's no such thing as the 'faith of a mustard seed".

You'll say I wasn't saved but then you don't know, you weren't there. You don't know my heart. All you can do is second guess, but I know.

If I believed the way you do, I am still saved.
But as I said I don't believe once saved, always saved.

Thank you for the sermon, but I've heard it all before. Smiler
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Originally posted by savinforarainyday:
Would you love your child when it doesn't obey and he/she is running out into a busy highway? Of course...would you do whatever is in your power to stop him before it was too late? But the child has a mind of his own. God made a way for us to relate to Him because He loves us. We are not the center of the universe..He is. We were created for His pleasure. He wants a relationship with us But we are sinful because of Adam. But God cannot be in the presence of sin. When we dis His Son we send ourselves to Hell..Hell was not created for people but for Satan.


Please understand that I in no way mean to be rude to you. We are having an adult conversation, ok? Wink

I thought you might use this argument cause I've heard it all before.

If my child were to run out into a busy highway, I would do whatever it took to save him, no matter how many times he did it.
I would not punish him by putting him into a lake of fire. How could I torture my child? I couldn't.

You say Hell was not created for people but for Satan? Will you agree that many people will go to Hell? We may disobey, but there's only one way I can get there & that's thru God. If it was my choice to go there, I wouldn't go.

You'll say it is my choice but I don't agree. There's going to be many people that honestly believe they're saved, but they will end up in Hell. Finding out too late, that they were doing it wrong.


In my scenario the child does not live to be punished by the mom. He made a choice to run toward the highway and despite all your efforts to save him ...you couldn't.
I am not in any way offended by you...you aren't being rude. I appreciate your openness for dialogue.
Wish I had time to discuss this further now but I am running behind...Gotta go.
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This is why I am so adamant, so persistent, about sharing the Gospel and the Word of God on the Religion Forum, in my Friends Ministry eNewsletters, and in every venue God will bring to me. I could have been eternally lost for lack of Biblical knowledge. I do not want to see anyone else in that perilous situation. So, if through my writings, even one person finds the truth and is saved -- praise God!



I completely get it. I feel the same way. I thought I was saved for several of my teenage yrs but I was really only TRYING to do the right thing and I didn't have it in me. When I really did get saved it was like I had been wondering around in the dark and someone flipped on a switch.
Ok gotta get out of here now for real!
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HadEnough, People like you are the main reason I don't go to church anymore.

Hi Crusty,

That is a pretty flimsy excuse. Wonder what Jesus will say about it when you stand before Him?

Can you imagine standing before a criminal judge and telling him, "The reason I robbed the bank is because I don't like policemen!"

He will tell you, "That is okay. Come back in ten years, after you get out of prison -- and tell me more."

Good luck!

Bill

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HadEnough, People like you are the main reason I don't go to church anymore.

Hi Crusty,

That is a pretty flimsy excuse. Wonder what Jesus will say about it when you stand before Him?

Can you imagine standing before a criminal judge and telling him, "The reason I robbed the bank is because I don't like policemen!"

He will tell you, "That is okay. Come back in ten years, after you get out of prison -- and tell me more."

Good luck!

Bill


when you are involved in the equation, a much more accurate line would be:

"the reasons i robbed the bank is because i did not like the moneychangers."
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HadEnough, People like you are the main reason I don't go to church anymore.

Hi Crusty,

That is a pretty flimsy excuse. Wonder what Jesus will say about it when you stand before Him?

Can you imagine standing before a criminal judge and telling him, "The reason I robbed the bank is because I don't like policemen!"

He will tell you, "That is okay. Come back in ten years, after you get out of prison -- and tell me more."

Good luck!


Bill


That is not the only reason that I don't go to church, of course. People like you are another reason. No excuses here, just reasons. I don't need a bureaucracy to commune with God.

As to what He will say, I don't pretend to know. If He knows my heart, I should be okay. You on the other hand.....

Once again, your analogy is a fail. Makes no sense whatsoever. Your Haight-Ashbury days are catching up to you.

Have a blissed day, Bill.
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HadEnough, People like you are the main reason I don't go to church anymore.

Hi Crusty,

That is a pretty flimsy excuse. Wonder what Jesus will say about it when you stand before Him?

Can you imagine standing before a criminal judge and telling him, "The reason I robbed the bank is because I don't like policemen!"

He will tell you, "That is okay. Come back in ten years, after you get out of prison -- and tell me more."

Good luck!

Bill


when you are involved in the equation, a much more accurate line would be:

"the reasons i robbed the bank is because i did not like the moneychangers."


Bill's analogies are always awful. This is another example.

A better analogy would be, I didn't go into the bank because I can't stand their employees, and I don't need their particular services in order to be financially sound.

Bill thinks he is going to get into heaven because he goes to church, reads his Bible, and yells his "salvation" from the rooftops. That just isn't enough for a person with a shriveled up heart, after a life of debauchery. God won't be fooled.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:

Bill's analogies are always awful. This is another example.

A better analogy would be, I didn't go into the bank because I can't stand their employees, and I don't need their particular services in order to be financially sound.

Bill thinks he is going to get into heaven because he goes to church, reads his Bible, and yells his "salvation" from the rooftops. That just isn't enough for a person with a shriveled up heart, after a life of debauchery. God won't be fooled.


yours is better, indeed.

mine was just an opportunistic cheap shot at thebill used to equate him wiht the moneychangers and scribes and whatnot that christ tossed out.
petty, but it amused me at the time Wink
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
Bill, you believe once saved, always saved. I don't. I was saved many years ago, know that just as sure as I'm sitting here replying to your post.

I did the whole nine yards, attended church, read my Bible, prayed...all of it. Life got in the way & it became too hard. Things happened that led me to believe that God doesn't answer prayers. There's no such thing as the 'faith of a mustard seed".

You'll say I wasn't saved but then you don't know, you weren't there. You don't know my heart. All you can do is second guess, but I know.

If I believed the way you do, I am still saved.
But as I said I don't believe once saved, always saved.

Thank you for the sermon, but I've heard it all before.

Hi Chick,

This is a good post; but, because it is a question that many folks have -- I have chosen to answer in a new discussion titled "If I Was A Christian - Am I Still A Christian?"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I noticed that no one can Biblically show where Bill Gray is wrong. Therefore, he must be right. It seems what makes him wrong is the fact many disagree with him. Could it be that what Bill says on here is showing many the err of their ways and their pride is getting in the way of them agreeing with Bill? My lips aren't on anybody's rear. I prefer to advocate the truth. So far, Bill has done a better job dispensing Biblical Truths than most here. So, prove Bill Gray wrong Biblically. Go ahead. Try. . .
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Originally posted by Tomme73:
I noticed that no one can Biblically show where Bill Gray is wrong. Therefore, he must be right. It seems what makes him wrong is the fact many disagree with him. Could it be that what Bill says on here is showing many the err of their ways and their pride is getting in the way of them agreeing with Bill? My lips aren't on anybody's rear. I prefer to advocate the truth. So far, Bill has done a better job dispensing Biblical Truths than most here. So, prove Bill Gray wrong Biblically. Go ahead. Try. . .


T--73, I'm not speaking for anyone, but I think their just saying you can't
buy a ticket to heaven. No one knows if anyone is a christian or not, so if
a person goes to hell they could very well have been christian at one time.
Bill can't be proven wrong biblically because as soon as he is, he telsl us that's not really wha tthe words means, if we were really saved and had the holy spirit in us, we'd have known it, so we're still wrong.

on he few occasions where he cannot weasel out of a situation wiht that method, he stops responding and opens up a new thread entirly.

he misleads, he avoids, he insults, he lays down judgement as tho he were god, and then he ignores everything thats ever said to prove him wrong or usually even question his judgment.

how can anyone ever proven him wrong when he keeps changing the rules to suit himself?

when faced with the idea of having to admit there was a possibility he might have been someone incorrect, he just takes his dolly and finds a new yard to play in.

that's why this forum has so many topics started by bill grey. each new topic is evidence of him loseing a debate or his inablinity to address an issue or answer a question in a different thread.

he still hasn't answered either of my questions in the 5 peices for a quarter thread.
he hasn't because thre isn't an answer that would make him look good. so he doesn't try.

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