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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
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maybe he DID plan on that horrific quake and tsunami to hit japan, for some reason only he can comprehend.. perhaps to cause us to learn something vital he wants us to know. maye it was a lesson so important to the future of mankind that it was worth the cost of lives to teach us the lesson.
Crapola.
God assumes we can understand his mind. Read Genesis and Exodus, not to mention the entire NT. Ask any preacher, he'll tell you god's specific intentions on any particular piece of legislation in Montgomery. God's mind is said to be known by his believers.
yup, crapola. i've read those books and the rest of them. i view them the same way you do. the bible is fiction, so stop trying to saddle me with its nonsence.
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So when a tsunami or earthquake or hurricane rips the hell out of thousands of people, it become mysterious? It's nothing of the sort. God is a fiction, and natural disasters happen more or less randomly. Either that, or god is a monster.
What's so hard to grasp?
mysterious? not to me. it's a horrible thing that kills thousands.
to us, that's all it is. but perhaps the ultimate goal was to teach us a method for arresting a near runaway reaction. or perhaps it was a lesson as simple as 'don't built nuclear plants on the shorelines of island nations that are prone to earthquakes'.
i'd figure that one would pretty much be a Gimmie....tho appearently they thought it was a good idea.
If god is there, then pretty clearly he works on a different scale form us. it's not so much that it's a mystery, it's just that we don't understand it.
if you gave a honda civic to Ghengis Khan it would be similar. there is nothing mysterious about the honda, it's not magic, he just wouldn't understand the concepts. he couldn't grasp the questions necessary to ask to begin to understand the concept.
someone wrote soemthing cute about their cat. the cat doesn't get that it's being helped, all it knows is someone is jabbing something into it's neck and it hurt.
well, on gods scale, this was a needle in the neck of humanity to give us soemthing that we need.
OR, like i said, maybe it was just a tragic event that had nothing to do with god. you DID read the whole post, right? not just the parts you could argue against?
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If you cling to god, however ephemerally, you MUST blame him for the natural disasters for which only he could be responsible. No gesture of "Free Will" or any other ridiculous rationalization will do after any fashion. Nor may you write it off to "his inscrutable plan". Either we understand the mind of the gods or we do not.
we do not understand the mind of god. i never said we did.
and i MUST? why MUST i?
no i MUST not do anything. are you at fault if your son breaks his arm because he fell off of the bike that you bought him?
is your son at fault? or do bad things happen sometimes, with no fault at all?
i'm able to accept that.
i'm also able that sometimes things happen because he designed them to happen that way.
i can accept both things at the same time. i'm not limited by an either/or choice. i'm sorry if you are.
did you acctually read what i wrote? did you fail to grasp that i did, indeed, say that sometimes stuff just happens? do you keep forgetting i don't accept the bible? why do you continue to use points against me that i don't adhere to?
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Of course, we do, their being our creations. But who, then, has an answer that follows? Why, the Westboro Baptist Church. Their lunacy makes sense, if one believe that god is just upon the living and his pronouncements in Scripture are legitimate.
oh giveth unto me a break. this is as stupid as when the homophobe christers tell us that allowing gay marriage will lead to people trying to marry animals.
why do people always jump to the extreme to try and push their point?
if god is real, then the bible says he wants to kill us all.
if gays marry, them people will try to date box turtles.
it's idotic and beneath contempt, from either direction.
there are many options that aren't necessary to go so far into such exteme elements.
i'm living proof that both extremes are stupid and patently untrue.
i believe in god. i don't believe in the bible. i know gay people that have been married, and i don't want to marry my dog.
see?
here's another one -
god is real. he does have a plan for us, but until we evolve mentally and emotionally we arent' even capable of understanding that there is a question to be asked, much less what the answer would mean.
he does what he feels to be best for our future welfare, regardless of what we feel we need for our current situation. his goal for us is what we will evolve into in another ten or twenty or a hundred thousand years, no matter what we want NOW. we want world peace and an end to hunger and suffering. maybe he sees that what's needed is a whittling down of the gene pool, such that one global war and starvation can provide.
he cares about us, as people, but his primary interet is us, as a race. it's necessary to allow some to die... it's necessary to activly kill some, even, to help mold the final product into what you wish it to be.
along the way, some greedy whanker started making stuff up about a super-being, so he could scare his tribe into making him the leader, and someone started writing all of this down. the tales got more elaborate and outlandish, and sometimes other people added to the story to try and get their believes carved into the stone of 'god's word', people added in scarey stuff to try and terrify the populace into following the rules. later somepeople tried the other way, and wrote down the rule was to just be nice to people and help poor people and old ladies.
and eventually that lead us to bill gray, filled with fear and hate and gullibility, and he makes himself into a willing sheep because of these long dead men who were just looking to control the citizens like bill with scarey words.
there ya go. one simple option... i'm not saying it's right or wrong, or that i even believe it, it's merely an example of why it's never the right choice to go with the extremes.
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