quote:Originally posted by thenagel:quote:Originally posted by O No!:
He DOESN'T take us by the hand UNLESS WE ASK HIM TO. We all DO have free will and can do whatever we want. Some of us though, have asked God to take control of our lives, and then He DOES have our hands and leads us where He wants us to go.
We STILL have free will and can let go of His hand if we want to. I don't know WHY anyone who has had His guidance would ever want to let go, but there it is.
i understand your point, but i disagree...
if we give control of our lives to soemone else, it negates the effect of free will, EVEN if it's by our free will they control our life.
a guy i used to know.. i can't say he was my friend... i thought he was a kook. but i knew him. he 'gave his life to jesus' in high school. he would pray over everything. i mean seriously, everythng. over dinner options... 'lord should i have the chicken or the beef? make me hungry for the one you want me to have"...
every little thing. we didn't hang out together much. it took ten minutes to decide anything, cause he had to check with 'the old man'.
when he was in his early 20's he finally, somehow, met a girl who was just like him. they would go on dates where they sat on the grass in the evening and looked at the stars and prayed. for hours. it was what they enjoyed doing together and he said it saved him the money a movie would cost. hard to argue that point.
about a month after they became engaged, they were driving.. someplace.. i dunno.. and were clipped by an 18 wheeler on the interstate, lost control and flew offthe road, flipping the car end over end.
the girl died, her mom i nthe back seat died, his brother, the best man died, and he lost his right leg at his knee.
he never let go of god's hand. (so to speak)
if god leads us around by the hand, if we ask him to, why did he lead that guy to such horrific pain and loss?
i'm not going to argue the point, O... i respect your belief... i was just trying to explain mine...
That to me seems a bit overboard. I pray about many many things in my life but I dont pray for God to live my life for me and make decisions for me. I study things out, then I make a decision, then I go to the Lord in prayer to see if it was the best possible decission. Again, I studied it out. I made the decision. If I feel that there is a better solution after praying, I go through the same process. I also ask God to bless me too.