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Hi to my Forum Friends,

In the discussion begun by DarkAngel titled "Why Do Many Evangelicals Get Science From a Creationist?" -- I responded with,  "Simple answer.   When the Creator, God, '. . . created the heavens and the earth' (Genesis 1:1) -- part of that creation was all the sciences and all the laws governing all those sciences.  So, who better to ask about the sciences -- than one with an indepth knowledge of God's Creation?  See how simple that is -- and how true?"

And, Dark replied, "I know you meant for your answer to be cute and flippant.  However, I am sincere and want to know why do some Christians choose to believe (Ken) Ham and (Dr. James) Dobson -- who are not qualified in the sciences -- over a very brilliant and Christian scientist like (Dr. Francis S.) Collins?"

Dark, my Friend, I am sorry you misunderstood my intent.  In no way was my response meant to be flippant.  What I wrote, I believe with all my being.

It is true that Dr. James Dobson's academic credentials are in psychology (he has a Ph.D. in Psychology) -- and his life work has been in Biblical studies and work applied to creating solid foundations for the Biblical family.  So, he would not play a major role in any discussions of Creation and Science.

However, Ken Ham’s degree is in applied science (with an emphasis on environmental biology) from the Queensland Institute of Technology in Australia.  He also holds a diploma of education from the University of Queensland -- a graduate qualification necessary for Ken to begin his initial career as a science teacher in the public schools in Australia.

But, keep in mind that Ken Ham is only the founder and president of Answers In Genesis.  There are many other highly qualified people associated with Answers In Genesis.

1. Dr. Don DeYoung:  Chairs the Mathematics/Science Department at Grace College, Winona Lake, Indiana.  He has taught at Grace since since 1972 with sabbatical leaves in California, Europe, and the South Pacific.  He is currently president of the Creation Research Society with 1,700 members worldwide.  Don speaks on many creation topics including astronomy, the Genesis Flood, design, and dinosaurs.

2. Professor Stuart Burgess:  BSc(Eng), PhD, CEng, FIMechE, FRAeS has taught engineering design at Cambridge University and  Bristol University in the UK.

3. Dr Donald Chittick:  A highly effective and experienced speaker on the topics of origins and Earth history, with a special interest in the first eleven chapters of Genesis.  Dr Chittick earned his Ph.D. in Physical Chemistry from Oregon State University.  For many  years, he served as chairman of the division of Natural Sciences at George Fox University in Oregon.  Since 1988, he has been an adjunct professor of chemistry at the Institute for Creation Research in the San Diego area.

4. Dr. Andrew Snelling:  Joined Answers in Genesis in 2007 as the organization’s Director of Research and also as a speaker for lay person and technical audiences.  He also serves as Editor-in-Chief of the Answers Research Journal.  Dr. Snelling earned a bachelor of science degree in applied geology at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia, graduating with first class honors in 1975.  His PhD in geology was awarded by the University of Sydney, Australia, in 1982.  As a result of his research  endeavors, he has been involved in writing numerous scientific reports and scientific papers that were published in international science journals.

Andrew was founding editor in 1984, and served as editor for almost 15 years, of the Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal (now Journal of Creation).  In late 1998 Andrew joined the Institute for Creation Research near San Diego, as a professor of geology.  His responsibilities included teaching master’s level geology courses in ICR’s Graduate School; . . . and research and writing projects.

And, there are many more equally qualified people associated with Answers In Genesis.   Also, if you will visit the following URL link you will find an extensive list of modern scientists who have accepted the Biblical account of creation:


http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/

 

Another great source of Creation Science material can be found at the Institute For Creation Research web site:

http://www.icr.org


The Institute For Creation Research also has a staff of highly qualified individuals with advanced degrees and research work in Creation Sciences.  ICR's "Acts & Facts" monthly magazine contains articles and information of current interest dealing with creation, evolution, and related topics.  Current and past issues can be read online, and you can sign up to receive future issues in the mail, all for free.   Personally, I highly recommend this magazine to all who have an interest in Biblical Creation and Creation Science.  I have been receiving and reading this magazine for years.

http://www.icr.org/subscriptio...nup&f_country=US

 

So, Dark, my Friend -- believe me, there was no flippancy whatsoever intended in my earlier post.

In your post, you hold as your champion Dr. Francis S. Collins, an American physician-geneticist, noted for his discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HGP) -- who currently serves as Director of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland.  Prior to being appointed Director of NIH, he founded and was president of the BioLogos Foundation.

He tells us he is a devout Christian, which I will not question.  However, when I visited his web site for the BioLogos Foundation -- I found this statement posted on their web site:


"Given the diverse theological backgrounds of our staff and of the BioLogos community in general, we have chosen not  to adopt a specific statement of faith."   http://biologos.org/about

 

Whoa!  A Christian organization which will NOT adopt a Statement of Faith?  Why not?  All one has to do is to study the Bible to know what one believes -- based upon God's Word.  How can anyone, or any organization, be Christian -- and not know what he/she believes about God, Jesus Christ, the Bible, salvation, and Creation?

Personally, any Christian ministry that will not tell us what Biblical truths they believe and teach -- is very suspect in my mind.  As the apostle Paul tells us in Romans 1:16, "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes. . ."  So, to me, when a ministry, or a person, will not declare a Statement of Faith or a Statement of Beliefs -- I have to wonder if they are truly Christian.

As I have often written, there are Christians who are so caught up in the secular world that they feel obligated to find a compromise between God's Written Word and their secular society -- so, they compromise with Secular Evolution.  This we call Theistic Evolution, i.e., adapting God's Word to fit into modern society's teachings.  Instead of adapting our society to fit God's Word; they  want to adapt God's Word to fit their societal norms, teachings, and desires.   Dr. Collins has fallen into this trap.

Another who supports such a compromise is Dr. Hugh Ross, Reasons To Believe ministry.  With a Ph.D in astronomy and astrophysics, he promotes progressive and day-age forms of old Earth creationism.

While getting an education, some can become so enamored with the teachings of the secular world, modern society's mores, and secular education -- that they can be sucked into the abyss of compromise -- believing that secular man can be more knowledgeable than the God who created them.

This brings us to one of the greatest gaps between Christians following Liberal Theology -- and those of us who follow the Biblically Conservative Theology.   Liberal Theology proponents deny that the Bible is the literal Written Word of God -- claiming that it is only a guidebook, a book of stories designed to be good examples of Christian living.

While they will accede to the Bible's inspiration; they refuse to believe that it is inerrant and they refuse to believe it is the literal Written Word of God.  Why?  To accept a literal interpretation of the Bible -- they will have to deny their secular based "Theistic  Evolution" or their "Billion Year Old Creation" which has allowed them to compromise with modern society.

Yet, we who follow Conservative Theology KNOW that all sixty-six books of the Bible, starting with Genesis and ending with Revelation -- are the Holy Spirit inspired, Holy Spirit inerrant, literal Written Word of God

 

Is every verse of the Bible to be read literally?  No.  There are some which are meant to be read with a symbolic meaning, some with a metaphorical meaning.

However, proper Bible interpretation, Biblical hermeneutics, calls for us to first read the verse or passage literally.  If the shoe fits, that is the proper interpretation.  If not, then look for a symbolic or metaphorical meaning.  If the meaning is symbolic -- you will find the interpretation of this symbolism elsewhere in the Bible.

An example of this is found in the first chapter of Revelation.  Verses 12-16 speak of One like a Son of Man standing among seven golden lampstands, holding seven stars in His right hand.  Symbolism.  Verse 20 explains that the seven lampstands are the seven churches -- and the seven stars are the angels of those seven churches.  Interpretation.

This is why it so important for Christian believers to be studying the Word of God daily -- that we might have a fuller understanding and a greater knowledge of His Written Word.  And, doing so, we will be better equipped to find those often elusive interpretations of Biblical symbolism that may confuse those less mature in knowledge of God's Word.

So, Dark, again, I was not being flippant.  I believe with my whole being the Genesis story of God's Creation.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Dark, my Friend, I am sorry you misunderstood my intent.  In no way was my response meant to be flippant.  
This is why it so important for Christian believers to be studying the Word of God daily -- that we might have a fuller understanding and a greater knowledge of His Written Word.  And, doing so, we will be better equipped to find those often elusive interpretations of Biblical symbolism that may confuse those less mature in knowledge of God's Word.
Bill

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I think Dark was right on about your intent, & you know you meant it to be flippant, as are most of your post when you don't like something we say.

 

I'm curious when you're going to get a fuller understanding & greater knowledge of His Written Word?

What makes you think that your interpretations of Biblical symbolism is correct?

 

God created the universe in the way he saw fit.

 

If that translates to the big bang and evolution to scientists, where's the problem? The people whom Genesis addressed didn't understand these concepts, and it was couched in concepts they could grasp.

 

Farther along, when we see the absolute truth, current scientific thought will seem more primitive than atheistic scientists consider Genesis today. 

Originally Posted by Winston Niles Rumfoord:

God created the universe in the way he saw fit.

 

If that translates to the big bang and evolution to scientists, where's the problem? The people whom Genesis addressed didn't understand these concepts, and it was couched in concepts they could grasp.

 

Farther along, when we see the absolute truth, current scientific thought will seem more primitive than atheistic scientists consider Genesis today. 

God willing.

 

DF

quote:  Originally Posted by Winston Niles Rumfoord:

God created the universe in the way he saw fit.   If that translates to the big bang and evolution to scientists, where's the problem?  The people whom Genesis addressed didn't understand these concepts, and it was couched in concepts they could grasp.   Farther along, when we see the absolute truth, current scientific thought will seem more primitive than atheistic scientists consider Genesis today. 


Hi Winston,

 

The Bible, Genesis to Revelation, was not written only for the people living in the Old Testament and New Testament times.  It was written to be God's Written Word for all people to the end of time -- and to be God's "User's Manual" for Christian living, for all believers.   So, even though the men of old did not understand the many aspects of science as we do today -- God inspired the Bible to be written for us as well as them.

 

You ask what is the harm in allowing atheist and secularist to invalidate parts of the Bible, specifically Genesis.  If anyone could invalidate any part of the Bible, could show that any part of the Bible is not true -- then, how could we believe any of the Bible?  The Bible, being God's Written Word -- is either completely true and valid -- or we should just throw it out.  If we throw out God's Word -- then there is no God, there is no Jesus Christ, there is no Christianity, -- there is no salvation for anyone.

 

And, that is why the atheists and secularists are trying so hard to make people believe that the book of Genesis is only a myth -- for, then, they have destroyed God and Christianity.

 

Genesis 1:1 and all of Genesis -- is the foundation upon which our Bible is built.

 

John 1:1 and all of John  -- is the foundation upon which our Christian faith is built.

 

If we allow the non-believing world to invalidate or destroy either of these -- this means that you and I have no Christian faith -- and we have no eternal security in Christ.

 

This is why it is so important to defend our faith -- and our Written Word of God.  For the Bible IS the inspired, inerrant, literal Written Word of God.  And, God is the Creator who created the heavens and the earth -- and all the sciences and their associated laws.   This is fact -- and we cannot allow the non-believing world to pull even one Seeker away from knowing God.  This is why I am on the Religion Forum and why I defend my faith.  Will you join me.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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quote:    Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

If the Bible was written by God for all people and those people can't receive God's grace without it, why didn't he distribute it to the Americas, or to China, or to a host of other regions prior to the arrival of Western Civilization?  Why all the lost souls based on no factor other than geography?


Hi Crusty,

 

Let me suggest a solution for you.  Why don't YOU get to know HIM?  Then, you can ask Him yourself why He did things as He chose to do.   Sounds like a win-win solution to me.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

If the Bible was written by God for all people and those people can't receive God's grace without it, why didn't he distribute it to the Americas, or to China, or to a host of other regions prior to the arrival of Western Civilization?  Why all the lost souls based on no factor other than geography?   ©

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For one thing, the Bible is a Christian thing which God deals with Christians.

We have no idea how God deals with other countries and their religions

or individuals and their beliefs.

To assume we have every answer because we read the Bible is ridiculous

and to realize the answers to the actions of God and his creation ( not yours)

are many times hidden from us will help you accept the wisdom behind it.

 

What too many people call an answer and what it really is confuses them.

It's actually a determination of God for your best interest, you may never

know why or to what end developed. For the most part God doesn't

cause or prevent what happens in the daily lives of all of us.

 

It's for us to show God we can think on our own and conclude the necessities

for our salvation. Animals were created to do, and they do, what instinct

tells them. We aren't wired that way, we run on free will.

 

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

If the Bible was written by God for all people and those people can't receive God's grace without it, why didn't he distribute it to the Americas, or to China, or to a host of other regions prior to the arrival of Western Civilization?  Why all the lost souls based on no factor other than geography?   ©

 

 

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 Actually Crusty, he did give it to all nations. And not only did he, but he did this more than once. The similarities in gods of the heathen nations point not to a mythical belief, but to the fact that all nations at one time possessed the true knowlege and corrupted it.

 To this the scriptures testify, Romans Ch.1 vs.18  thru 23 and Acts 17:22-28, the focus is on vs.27

 

 

  It was Nimrod who rebelled against God and created a system of corruption of truth opposed to God's truth. "And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel". Genesis 10:8-10  it was Nimrod who corrupted the knowlege of Christ from that early generation, and applied those attributes to himself. It is said, "Nimrod was a mighty hunter before the Lord". The implication of this is that Nimrod exalted himself above mortal men and demostrated it by hunting large viscious animals. The evidence of this can be seen in all the nations founded after the division and dispersion of Nimropd's kingdom after Babel. In Egypt, pharoah was worshipped as a god and said to be the son of Ra, the sun God. Monuments to his achievements in Egypt are on the walls of the temples built to him that shows his defeat of large savage animals.  Babylon, Assyria, and ancient Persia all followed this model, all the way to the Greek states and the Romans.  

 The system of Nimrod is alive and well today and will be culminated in the final days with the fall of Babylon and the great prostitute of Revelation Chapters 17 and 18.

 

 You and your atheist friends make critical errors in your thoughts because you know not the truth, neither are you willing to recieve it. And this effort by you will cost you the most precious thing you possess.

.

 

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

If the Bible was written by God for all people and those people can't receive God's grace without it, why didn't he distribute it to the Americas, or to China, or to a host of other regions prior to the arrival of Western Civilization?  Why all the lost souls based on no factor other than geography?   ©

 According to the generations of Genesis, Shem lived 500 years after the flood. That means when Abraham was born, Shem was still alive. That means that for the first 500 years after the flood, man had the knowlege of the truth. In the days of Abraham, he met melchizadek, the high priest of God and king of Salem. Salem was a Jebusite city that in the days of Abraham was a Godly city. 400 years later, the Jebusites were very wicked like the other nations around them. They succombed to the influence of Babel.

 Later, after occupying the land, Isreal followed this same course by asking Samuel for a King. This was the watershed moment when Isreal began it's decline.

 In the days of Moses, 400 years after Abraham, we are told that Moses's father in law was the priest of Midian. Again, verifying that man did indeed have the true knowlege at one time.

 

 Before the flood we are told that Enoch preached to those people. What was his message? "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints. The execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
 So we see from this witness, that man had the truth even from the beginning.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

If the Bible was written by God for all people and those people can't receive God's grace without it, why didn't he distribute it to the Americas, or to China, or to a host of other regions prior to the arrival of Western Civilization?  Why all the lost souls based on no factor other than geography?


Hi Crusty,

 

Let me suggest a solution for you.  Why don't YOU get to know HIM?  Then, you can ask Him yourself why He did things as He chose to do.   Sounds like a win-win solution to me.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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I'm good to go, Bill, as I've told you repeatedly.  I am sorry your limited, cultist view of God has you so befuddled that when questioned about it, all you can do is attack me.  Instead of doing that, why don't you just answer the question?

 

Let me go ahead and do that for you, though.  You can't answer the question.  To do so would bring your fundamentalist house of cards crashing down.  You worship the Bible as the literal writings of God, when it is no such thing.  I would like to help you to better understanding, Bill, but first you are going to need a professional deprogramming.  I lack those credentials.  Once you get that help, then maybe you can really open your heart.  ©

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

If the Bible was written by God for all people and those people can't receive God's grace without it, why didn't he distribute it to the Americas, or to China, or to a host of other regions prior to the arrival of Western Civilization?  Why all the lost souls based on no factor other than geography?   ©

=================================================

 

For one thing, the Bible is a Christian thing which God deals with Christians.

We have no idea how God deals with other countries and their religions

or individuals and their beliefs.

To assume we have every answer because we read the Bible is ridiculous

and to realize the answers to the actions of God and his creation ( not yours)

are many times hidden from us will help you accept the wisdom behind it.

 

What too many people call an answer and what it really is confuses them.

It's actually a determination of God for your best interest, you may never

know why or to what end developed. For the most part God doesn't

cause or prevent what happens in the daily lives of all of us.

 

It's for us to show God we can think on our own and conclude the necessities

for our salvation. Animals were created to do, and they do, what instinct

tells them. We aren't wired that way, we run on free will.

 

Ah, the God works in mysterious ways argument.  Next you will tell us that everything is explained in the Bible.  But God works in mysterious ways, but it is explained in the Bible, but it is mysterious, but it is in the Bible, but it isn't for us to understand, but it is if we just look in the Bible, but it is mysterious........

 

The downfall of "good Christians" is for them to think they are special in God's eyes.  ©

Originally Posted by Extra-260:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

If the Bible was written by God for all people and those people can't receive God's grace without it, why didn't he distribute it to the Americas, or to China, or to a host of other regions prior to the arrival of Western Civilization?  Why all the lost souls based on no factor other than geography?   ©

 

 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 Actually Crusty, he did give it to all nations. And not only did he, but he did this more than once. The similarities in gods of the heathen nations point not to a mythical belief, but to the fact that all nations at one time possessed the true knowlege and corrupted it.

 To this the scriptures testify, Romans Ch.1 vs.18  thru 23 and Acts 17:22-28, the focus is on vs.27

 

 

  It was Nimrod who rebelled against God and created a system of corruption of truth opposed to God's truth. "And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel". Genesis 10:8-10  it was Nimrod who corrupted the knowlege of Christ from that early generation, and applied those attributes to himself. It is said, "Nimrod was a mighty hunter before the Lord". The implication of this is that Nimrod exalted himself above mortal men and demostrated it by hunting large viscious animals. The evidence of this can be seen in all the nations founded after the division and dispersion of Nimropd's kingdom after Babel. In Egypt, pharoah was worshipped as a god and said to be the son of Ra, the sun God. Monuments to his achievements in Egypt are on the walls of the temples built to him that shows his defeat of large savage animals.  Babylon, Assyria, and ancient Persia all followed this model, all the way to the Greek states and the Romans.  

 The system of Nimrod is alive and well today and will be culminated in the final days with the fall of Babylon and the great prostitute of Revelation Chapters 17 and 18.

 

 You and your atheist friends make critical errors in your thoughts because you know not the truth, neither are you willing to recieve it. And this effort by you will cost you the most precious thing you possess.

.

 

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Thank you for ****ing my soul to hell without even considering the historical context of my question.  You do know that there are whole civilizations throughout history that don't show up in the Bible, don't you?  If you are of Bill's ilk, and think the earth is only 6k years old because of the "genealogy" described in the Bible, you won't be able to provide a cognizant answer to my question.  Too bad you limit your god that way.  ©

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Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

If the Bible was written by God for all people and those people can't receive God's grace without it, why didn't he distribute it to the Americas, or to China, or to a host of other regions prior to the arrival of Western Civilization?  Why all the lost souls based on no factor other than geography?   ©

=================================================

 

For one thing, the Bible is a Christian thing which God deals with Christians.

We have no idea how God deals with other countries and their religions

or individuals and their beliefs.

To assume we have every answer because we read the Bible is ridiculous

and to realize the answers to the actions of God and his creation ( not yours)

are many times hidden from us will help you accept the wisdom behind it.

 

What too many people call an answer and what it really is confuses them.

It's actually a determination of God for your best interest, you may never

know why or to what end developed. For the most part God doesn't

cause or prevent what happens in the daily lives of all of us.

 

It's for us to show God we can think on our own and conclude the necessities

for our salvation. Animals were created to do, and they do, what instinct

tells them. We aren't wired that way, we run on free will.

 

Ah, the God works in mysterious ways argument.  Next you will tell us that everything is explained in the Bible.  But God works in mysterious ways, but it is explained in the Bible, but it is mysterious, but it is in the Bible, but it isn't for us to understand, but it is if we just look in the Bible, but it is mysterious........

 

The downfall of "good Christians" is for them to think they are special in God's eyes.  ©

====================================

 

I didn't tell you everything is explained in the Bible because it isn't an

wasn't meant to explain everything.

 

God doesn't work in mysterious ways, never did never will.

 

You're a very blasphemous person, what makes you think you're so

special in God's eye???

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
What makes you think that your interpretations of Biblical symbolism is correct?

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Chick,

What makes you think they are wrong?  Which seminary did you attend?

Bill
______________________________
Oh, I forgot…..you don’t answer questions! How silly of me to asked one. I'm not afraid to answer questions as you are.
You interpret scripture to fit what you want. Several of us have given you scripture that goes against your OSAS theory but you just ignore those scriptures of the Bible that don’t fit your interpetation.
My interpretation of the Bible might not match yours, but I don’t have to go to seminary so it will match. People have different interpretations of the Bible, & always will. Do you honestly think a person going to seminary is going to get in Heaven any faster than one that doesn’t? Oops, silly me, another question that you won’t answer.

 

My guess would be that you don’t read some of the books like Amos because you don’t like or want the correction God warns of.

 

I’ve seen your beliefs in action on this forum. You hold quite a few beliefs that are expressly rebuked in the Bible.

 

You come across as one that God gave all His intentions, plans & all the details to. I cannot feel anything but pity for you, & of course, an intense dislike because of your smug attitude & judgment of others.

 

Being self-righteous seems to be so easy & natural for you. I see you as evil, you have selfish desires, & sinful desires of your own ego. You should put away your self-righteous attitude & read Luke 18:9-14, over & over again.

 

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

If the Bible was written by God for all people and those people can't receive God's grace without it, why didn't he distribute it to the Americas, or to China, or to a host of other regions prior to the arrival of Western Civilization?  Why all the lost souls based on no factor other than geography?   ©

=================================================

 

For one thing, the Bible is a Christian thing which God deals with Christians.

We have no idea how God deals with other countries and their religions

or individuals and their beliefs.

To assume we have every answer because we read the Bible is ridiculous

and to realize the answers to the actions of God and his creation ( not yours)

are many times hidden from us will help you accept the wisdom behind it.

 

What too many people call an answer and what it really is confuses them.

It's actually a determination of God for your best interest, you may never

know why or to what end developed. For the most part God doesn't

cause or prevent what happens in the daily lives of all of us.

 

It's for us to show God we can think on our own and conclude the necessities

for our salvation. Animals were created to do, and they do, what instinct

tells them. We aren't wired that way, we run on free will.

 

Ah, the God works in mysterious ways argument.  Next you will tell us that everything is explained in the Bible.  But God works in mysterious ways, but it is explained in the Bible, but it is mysterious, but it is in the Bible, but it isn't for us to understand, but it is if we just look in the Bible, but it is mysterious........

 

The downfall of "good Christians" is for them to think they are special in God's eyes.  ©

====================================

 

I didn't tell you everything is explained in the Bible because it isn't an

wasn't meant to explain everything.

 

God doesn't work in mysterious ways, never did never will.

 

You're a very blasphemous person, what makes you think you're so

special in God's eye???

______________

Never said I was "special in God's eye".  If God is working in hidden ways, and does things not for me to understand, how is that not the "mysterious ways" argument?  What have I said that is blasphemous?  Really, at this point I'm going to have to question your reading comprehension skills.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

If the Bible was written by God for all people and those people can't receive God's grace without it, why didn't he distribute it to the Americas, or to China, or to a host of other regions prior to the arrival of Western Civilization?  Why all the lost souls based on no factor other than geography?   ©

=================================================

 

For one thing, the Bible is a Christian thing which God deals with Christians.

We have no idea how God deals with other countries and their religions

or individuals and their beliefs.

To assume we have every answer because we read the Bible is ridiculous

and to realize the answers to the actions of God and his creation ( not yours)

are many times hidden from us will help you accept the wisdom behind it.

 

What too many people call an answer and what it really is confuses them.

It's actually a determination of God for your best interest, you may never

know why or to what end developed. For the most part God doesn't

cause or prevent what happens in the daily lives of all of us.

 

It's for us to show God we can think on our own and conclude the necessities

for our salvation. Animals were created to do, and they do, what instinct

tells them. We aren't wired that way, we run on free will.

 

Ah, the God works in mysterious ways argument.  Next you will tell us that everything is explained in the Bible.  But God works in mysterious ways, but it is explained in the Bible, but it is mysterious, but it is in the Bible, but it isn't for us to understand, but it is if we just look in the Bible, but it is mysterious........

 

The downfall of "good Christians" is for them to think they are special in God's eyes.  ©

====================================

 

I didn't tell you everything is explained in the Bible because it isn't an

wasn't meant to explain everything.

 

God doesn't work in mysterious ways, never did never will.

 

You're a very blasphemous person, what makes you think you're so

special in God's eye???

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Never said I was "special in God's eye".  If God is working in hidden ways, and does things not for me to understand, how is that not the "mysterious ways" argument?  What have I said that is blasphemous?  Really, at this point I'm going to have to question your reading comprehension skills.

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Actually I just wanted to see your response from the way i worded it.

 

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