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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Do you really expect a site called Capitol Hill BLUE to have anything but "doom and gloom" articles about the GOP?
Right, Capitol Hill Blue was commenting on this article in the New York Times, Headlined, "G.O.P. Voters Voice Anxieties on Party's Fate" http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/us/politics/13poll.ht...f=slogin&oref=slogin
The NYT article is an interesting analysis of how Republicans view their field of candidates, and how they think they are going to vote in the 2008 election. I have to hand it to pba this time, his posting of this material gave me something to think about regarding the direction our political system is headed in the short term.
The Republican Party seems to represent a vision of World Domination as their single guiding principal. At the moment the three front running Republican Candidates are expousing the position that the USA must dominate world politics and economics, and they are in favor of using military might to accomplish that domination.

Twice the American People have supported that position by razor thin margins, at the presidential level and three out of four Congressional contests have also gone that way by narrow margins.

2006 saw the balance of power move away from the Milataristic World Domination Policy toward a more economic based position. Both Parties, and I suspect the majority of Americans, want to remain at or near the top of the Economic pile, and I believe, as an article of faith, that the American people want to earn that dominance, not win it by making war on any nation that threatens it.
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
Well, that will all change when Senator Fred Thompson of Tennessee throws his hat in the ring, possibly this fall.

I think he is waiting to see what is up, and who butchers who before the fall.

Fred Thompson is the Perfect Candidate Brentenman.
He has Name recognition. As Arthur Branch. He has friends in Hollywood. Who are all political pundits of the first order.
He is a Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, THE ILLIGITIMATE OFFSPRING OF THE DISCREDITED PNAC.
He is a real Southerner, Like Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon Johnson, and Birch Bayh.
He is exactly what the PNAC/AEI needs, another neo conservative. PUPPET.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
You have evidently been watching interviews that I have been watching Ed. I don't remember any of the big 3 talking about world domination. But you go on believing that Ed. More power to you.
Southern Patriot, World Domination is the foundation block of the temple of the neo conservatives. IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT THEY DON'T MENTION IT. Bush did not mention it in 2000, and in fact DENIED IT.
I quit Ed. You win. It is an absolute waste of time to have a an ordered debate with you. You have preconceived notions that you will never be rid of. Go ahead. Spew your bile about this great country and our president that does the best he can to deal with some realy bad situations. have fun ranting. I won't bother to try and make you see the light (or just facts for that matter) any more.
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
Well, that will all change when Senator Fred Thompson of Tennessee throws his hat in the ring, possibly this fall.

I think he is waiting to see what is up, and who butchers who before the fall.


I disagree,I can't see Fred as preisdent this time maybe the next round. People are so ready for a democrat in 2008.
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Do you really expect a site called Capitol Hill BLUE to have anything but "doom and gloom" articles about the GOP?



I Guess you could say the same about Fox news.

The difference PBA, is that FOX will report it. You can decide whether to believe it or not. I give fox a lot of credit. They, on most segments, will have someone from both sides of the fence discussing the issues. Even Bill O' (the man the libs hate) does a good job of having people from both sides debate issuses.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
I quit Ed. You win. It is an absolute waste of time to have a an ordered debate with you. You have preconceived notions that you will never be rid of. Go ahead. Spew your bile about this great country and our president that does the best he can to deal with some realy bad situations. have fun ranting. I won't bother to try and make you see the light (or just facts for that matter) any more.


Ed is very knowledgable and hard to argue with, for he has endless amounts of information at his fingertips. Good for ED. But when it comes down to his ideas and arguments, they have consistently been on the losing side in the real world. People who rely on common sense instead of theoretical idealism choose safety, less government, lower taxes, individual rights, and so on stay away from ED's ideals. I am not talking about Democrat or Republican, but rather in terms of socialistic behavior.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
I quit Ed. You win. It is an absolute waste of time to have a an ordered debate with you. You have preconceived notions that you will never be rid of. Go ahead. Spew your bile about this great country and our president that does the best he can to deal with some realy bad situations. have fun ranting. I won't bother to try and make you see the light (or just facts for that matter) any more.


Ed is very knowledgable and hard to argue with, for he has endless amounts of information at his fingertips. Good for ED. But when it comes down to his ideas and arguments, they have consistently been on the losing side in the real world. People who rely on common sense instead of theoretical idealism choose safety, less government, lower taxes, individual rights, and so on stay away from ED's ideals. I am not talking about Democrat or Republican, but rather in terms of socialistic behavior.


Very good point FI. My problem is that my head hurts. That wall is mighty hard!
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I would rather be consumed by enjoyment and common sense, than worry and fear. I trust only myself when it comes to my future and my well-being. Why don't more people expect that much of themselves?


Simple FI. Too many people out there want the gov't to provide for them. I hold my own destiny in my hands. I want everybody else to keep their hands off.
You are right. Now days unqualified parents can bring achild into the world and the government will financially support the child from cradle to grave. No responsibility is bore by the parents. Free healthcare, free diapers and food, free half-a**ed education, free welfare checks, free food stamps, the list goes on and on. Just like a broken record.
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disagree,I can't see Fred as preisdent this time maybe the next round. People are so ready for a democrat in 2008


Wrong, most people are fed up with both parties. Neither party has been exceptionally good for the country in decades. People are so ready for another choice other than corrupt democrats and corrupt republicans.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
I quit Ed. You win. It is an absolute waste of time to have a an ordered debate with you. You have preconceived notions that you will never be rid of. Go ahead. Spew your bile about this great country and our president that does the best he can to deal with some realy bad situations. have fun ranting. I won't bother to try and make you see the light (or just facts for that matter) any more.
Yep, You have it right, I am willing to stand on the statement that the PNAC/AEI are determined to attain world domination. Fred Thompson is an AEI board member. I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE AEI POSITION. Fred Thompson helped to formulate that position. Therfore, I will not support him, and in fact will oppose him. I don't think the concept of US domination of the world's economy is acceptable. I very much believe that the PNAC/AEI position is certain to increase the likelyhood of a major world war. I really believe that the citizens of the rest of the world do not want to be dominated, exploited, subjugated, or abused. Since I don't want to be dominated, exploited, subjugated or abused. I also believe that for the USA to dominate the world, it must first dominate the people of the USA. I believe that is anti-American principal and against personal liberty.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
I quit Ed. You win. It is an absolute waste of time to have a an ordered debate with you. You have preconceived notions that you will never be rid of. Go ahead. Spew your bile about this great country and our president that does the best he can to deal with some realy bad situations. have fun ranting. I won't bother to try and make you see the light (or just facts for that matter) any more.
Yep, You have it right, I am willing to stand on the statement that the PNAC/AEI are determined to attain world domination. Fred Thompson is an AEI board member. I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE AEI POSITION. Fred Thompson helped to formulate that position. Therfore, I will not support him, and in fact will oppose him. I don't think the concept of US domination of the world's economy is acceptable. I very much believe that the PNAC/AEI position is certain to increase the likelyhood of a major world war. I really believe that the citizens of the rest of the world do not want to be dominated, exploited, subjugated, or abused. Since I don't want to be dominated, exploited, subjugated or abused. I also believe that for the USA to dominate the world, it must first dominate the people of the USA. I believe that is anti-American principal and against personal liberty.


Whatever. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
Well, that will all change when Senator Fred Thompson of Tennessee throws his hat in the ring, possibly this fall.

I think he is waiting to see what is up, and who butchers who before the fall.


I disagree,I can't see Fred as preisdent this time maybe the next round. People are so ready for a democrat in 2008.


No, what I was referring to was the Republican nomination. If he gets the Republican nomination, Guilliani and the rest can hang it up, as their views are RINO or have flip-flopped. Thompson is a conservative, a real one, not a RINO. That is what the Conservatives/Republicans are looking for.

As far as who will win in 2008, there is no telling. Keep in mind, the blue states are outnumbered by red states, regardless of population (see 2000 for an example). People want someone who is anti-illegal, conservative, etc. Bush, and I hate to say it, is becoming or has become more of a RINO, and that has hurt his base. Thompson is of the base of the Republican party. He gets in, game over for the others. Plus, he has name recognition (i.e. actor, Senator) that will carry him.

Hildabeast: too much baggage. She will fall or be severely wounded if she makes it past AUG 2008.

Obama: he is the "flavor of the month" candidate. Plus, he has little to show for.

Jeb Bush WOULD be good, however, people are tired of Bush's and Klinton's, hence why he is staying out.
Ed, if we are so insistent upon world domination, then why do we contribute heavily to our greatest economic rival, China. We both prosper by doing business with them. We pay for oil that we could just take in Iraq right now. We give billions in economic aid to countries all over the world to help their economies grow. That doesn't sound like the steps one would take to dominate the world economically or militarily.

We have gotten into a bad situation in the Middle East that was inevitable. This does not mean we are trying to dominate the world. Why start your domination in the most difficult part of the world to take over? Why not take over north Africa, South America, and other areas that are anti-American? Heck, why not France? They hate us.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Ed, if we are so insistent upon world domination, then why do we contribute heavily to our greatest economic rival, China. We both prosper by doing business with them. We pay for oil that we could just take in Iraq right now. We give billions in economic aid to countries all over the world to help their economies grow. That doesn't sound like the steps one would take to dominate the world economically or militarily.

We have gotten into a bad situation in the Middle East that was inevitable. This does not mean we are trying to dominate the world. Why start your domination in the most difficult part of the world to take over? Why not take over north Africa, South America, and other areas that are anti-American? Heck, why not France? They hate us.
Well, the Iraq situation came about with the potential for removal of Sanctions on Hussain's regime. They were due for a Security Council vote in May of 2003. We made the sanctions moot by invading in March. One of the contracts that was contingent on lifting the sanctions involved Chinese development and production in the Iraqi Oil fields.
WHAT THEY ARE NOT TELLING US IS AS IMPORTANT AS WHAT THEY ARE. Seriously, if you want to understand the situation, you absolutely have to go to news and information sources outside the USA. Der Sepigle, and Le Monde Diplomatique are both available in English. FREE on the net. The BBC is also available at no cost. EVEN SKY NEWS, the British Subsidary of Rupert Murdock's media empire is available, live streaming audio on the net.

You can pick up English language and translated newspapers for every major national capitol in the world. Including Xin Hua, and Pravda if you have the time. It is possible to obtain Pakistan's leading newspaper, "The Nation" in English.

I hear that I have a lot of information at my fingertips. I do, I have just recently been given a clean bill of health. I have been practically immobile, confined to my home almost all the time, since early 2002. Five years with little more than a computer to link me to the outside world has been pretty trying on my mental state, but I think I have weathered the worst of it.
There you go again talking about "Brentenman's Hero's" FOX T.V. Leave the poor man alone and let him live in LA,LA, Land of the Republican ********Party
Did you notice BUSHY in South America kissing the ***** of those friggin Mexican's, and promising REFORM, yea REFORM! at our ******* expense!! The *** is selling us out along with his new best buddie's Kennedy, and that other Republican idiot John McCain.

Semper Fi,(Carry on Citizen's!)
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
Well, that will all change when Senator Fred Thompson of Tennessee throws his hat in the ring, possibly this fall.

I think he is waiting to see what is up, and who butchers who before the fall.


Thompson would be an interesting candidate.



Now,here I go again,Yes he would be interesting! and he might not be all that bad of a president.
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Originally posted by Delldude:
There you go again talking about "Brentenman's Hero's" FOX T.V. Leave the poor man alone and let him live in LA,LA, Land of the Republican ********Party
Did you notice BUSHY in South America kissing the ***** of those friggin Mexican's, and promising REFORM, yea REFORM! at our ******* expense!! The *** is selling us out along with his new best buddie's Kennedy, and that other Republican idiot John McCain.

Semper Fi,(Carry on Citizen's!)



The devil made me do it! Smiler
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Originally posted by Delldude:
There you go again talking about "Brentenman's Hero's" FOX T.V. Leave the poor man alone and let him live in LA,LA, Land of the Republican ********Party
Did you notice BUSHY in South America kissing the ***** of those friggin Mexican's, and promising REFORM, yea REFORM! at our ******* expense!! The *** is selling us out along with his new best buddie's Kennedy, and that other Republican idiot John McCain.

Semper Fi,(Carry on Citizen's!)


Can you clarify your statement without all of the F-bombs being thrown?
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Originally posted by pba:
People are so ready for a democrat in 2008.



That's what's sad. Lots of people scream that they want someone better, but they'll end up settling for someone that's just different.
People should vote for someone they believe in, no matter what political party they're from.
Some people hate Republicans so much, if Jesus Christ himself ran for president as a Republican, some would vote against him.

I say vote-em-all-out and show em who has the real power, before we have to learn to read Spanish before we can vote. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
You are right. Now days unqualified parents can bring achild into the world and the government will financially support the child from cradle to grave. No responsibility is bore by the parents. Free healthcare, free diapers and food, free half-a**ed education, free welfare checks, free food stamps, the list goes on and on. Just like a broken record.


What an excellent pro-choice argument! Thanks.
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Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
So basically go out and find some news sources that support EdEKit's notions and then you will then be informed.

My notions are based on being informed. If I had only my local newspaper and network news, chances are that we would be in agreement. I will admint that the first time I heard Rush Limbaugh he was on two radio stations, and I thought he was dangerous. I was right, but the reason I thought he was dangerous was the fact that I was pretty well informed even then.

I am pretty much accustomed to the testosterone patrol, and I am really used to being considered a liberal. I actually take great pride in being considered liberal.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/35_kennedy/psources/ps_nyliberal.html


To quote John F. Kennedy,
"This is my political credo:

I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.

Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility."

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