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Members of the graduating class of 2009 at Florida's Pace High School have expressed their objections to ACLU restrictions on statements of religious faith at their school by rising up en masse at their ceremony and reciting the Lord's Prayer.

The incident happened just days ago, but has been virtually ignored by media outlets throughout the region, according to officials with Liberty Counsel, a legal team representing Principal Frank Lay and teacher Michelle Winkler in their battle with the ACLU, which had complained that faculty and teachers were talking about their beliefs.

Nearly 400 graduating seniors at Pace, a Santa Rosa County school, stood up at their graduation, according to Mathew Staver, president of Liberty Counsel.


Parents, family and friends joined in the recitation, and applauded the students when they were finished.

"Many of the students also painted crosses on their graduation caps to make a statement of faith," the organization reported.

"Neither students nor teachers shed their constitutional rights at the schoolhouse gate," said Staver, who also is dean of Liberty University School of Law. "The students at Pace High School refused to remain silent and were not about to be bullied by the ACLU.

"Schools are not religion-free zones, and any attempt to make them so is unconstitutional," he said.


Liberty Counsel has been representing Lay and Winkler against ACLU demands that all statements of faith be censored. The law firm also had volunteered to represent the school board in the dispute, but board members chose their own outside counsel.

The ACLU had sued the school six months earlier(Why is the ACLU sueing schools and essentually stealing their money? Arent' school already strapped for cash?) and as part of the discussions over that dispute, the school's separate counsel had agreed to a consent decree that "essentially bans all Santa Rose County School District employees from engaging in prayer or religious activities," Liberty Counsel's report said.

The ACLU had alleged that during a dinner event at the school, Lay had asked the athletic director to bless the meal. In a second incident, the ACLU claimed Winkler's husband, who is not a school board employee, offered a prayer at an awards ceremony.

As preparations were being made for the 2009 graduation, the ACLU demanded the school censor students from offering prayers or saying anything religious. As a result, two student leaders traditionally allowed by the school to address their graduation were banned from doing so.

Staver said class members, furious with the ACLU for hijacking their free speech rights, assembled the plan on their own. As soon as Lay asked everyone to be seated for the ceremony, the graduating seniors remained standing and recited the Lord's Prayer.
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Good for these kids! Res believes people are starting to awaken from the hypnosis the leftist progressives have had on our fair society for too long. People are starting to realize the leash the ACLU has on us is simply imaginary.


The leftist progressives are relentless in their assault on Christianity. It's approaching Stalinist in nature.
"If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." ~Samuel Adams, 1776.
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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:
Just don't complain when your kid's teacher leads the class in some wiccan ceremony.


...just as long as no one pushes that Godless socialism on children, like some people push around here.


Really? I have lived in Alabama all my life and have never met a "Socialist". I have, however, met several Theocratic Fundamentalists.
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This is a wonderful story!



Wonderful if you are not a Jew, Muslim, Hindu, or anything else but Christian.

Now every religion should have equal time for "prayer", or any other expression of belief they so choose. Jews, Muslims, etc., should now be given equal time for a devotion, or anything appropriate to their tradition. That would most certainly include "Wiccan". I love that these kids are being taught that it is perfectly acceptable to ignore the law when it suits you.

Matthew 6:6

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
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No government functionaries, like teacher, were involved in the action. The students planned it on their own and others joined in.

"A little rebellion is good for the soul." T. Jefferson.


Yes, the students were coached and assisted in imposing their majority belief on the minority - in spite of the fact that both the minority AND majority pay taxes, and support the school equally.
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Yes, the students were coached and assisted in imposing their majority belief on the minority - in spite of the fact that both the minority AND majority pay taxes, and support the school equally.


No where in the article does it mention the brain-washed students were forced by evil and manipulating Christians to impose their iron will upon minority victims. Funny, I must have missed where those poor casualties of Christian dictatorship vocalized their outrage at this religious intolerance.

As for the taxes, that is an ineffectual argument. Everyone, including those who have no children at all or have those that go to private schools, must support public education through taxation. Your point is moot.

What law were they breaking? And please, don't even attempt to bring up the old "government respecting or establishing a religion." It does not apply here. The government had nothing to do with it. Just because you give these students no credit for having any brains or fortitude to band together to exercise their right to free speech, it doesn't mean it didn't happen that way.
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Originally posted by interventor1:
No government functionaries, like teacher, were involved in the action. The students planned it on their own and others joined in.

"A little rebellion is good for the soul." T. Jefferson.


Yes, the students were coached and assisted in imposing their majority belief on the minority - in spite of the fact that both the minority AND majority pay taxes, and support the school equally.

Believe it or not Mean Christians have the right to express themselves too.Amazing how we live in a country where free speech and the exercise of religion is in our Constitution. And I`m pretty sure that if any Jew,Muslim,Buddhist,Wiccan,or anyone else of any religion would have stood up and prayed no one would have said a thing.Believe it or not we Christians are pretty tolerant.
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Wonderful if you are not a Jew, Muslim, Hindu, or anything else but Christian.
Why you so intolerant? Does not tolerance go both ways? No?
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Now every religion should have equal time for "prayer", or any other expression of belief they so choose. Jews, Muslims, etc., should now be given equal time for a devotion, or anything appropriate to their tradition.
This is America, we are all free to do as we please, remember.


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That would most certainly include "Wiccan". I love that these kids are being taught that it is perfectly acceptable to ignore the law when it suits you.
There is no law outlawing religious expression on public property. It's part of the hypnosis the ACLU has over you.

There is no such thing as "seperation of church and state" in the USA! Do you know where that bizarre concept is found? It's found in Article 124 of the Contistution of the USSR! ...the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church.



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Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Are you suggesting that when the preacher leads prayer in Sunday service that he is actually operating outside of biblical principle by not entering a closet? Uh, not a good argument, dear sister.
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I thought that I remember seeing in the article that a paid employee lead a pre-meal religious ritual. No?
Can you explain why this is in violation of any law? No?


Like I say, it's cool with me. Just don't gripe when your kid has to participate in a wiccan religious ritual.
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Originally posted by reservation:
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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:
I thought that I remember seeing in the article that a paid employee lead a pre-meal religious ritual. No?
Can you explain why this is in violation of any law? No?


Like I say, it's cool with me. Just don't gripe when your kid has to participate in a wiccan religious ritual.

If they do it voluntarily I have no problem with it.
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
If these students had taken this opportunity to stand up and chant anti-war protestations, the left would be defending their right to protest to, well, not the death, but somewhere close. But since it's a conservative christian protest, it's a national travesty.


The Lords Prayer is a Christian Prayer - not a political statement (or at least not typically). If it was an act of "civil disobedience" then where do we stop? For me it is not that I have any problem with "the Lords Prayer" (I pray it every Sunday out loud in Church). What I take issue with is the clear co opting of a publicly funded event by ONE religious group. Catholics do not use the King James Bible, Jews are not Christians and neither are Muslims.
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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:
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Originally posted by reservation:
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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:
I thought that I remember seeing in the article that a paid employee lead a pre-meal religious ritual. No?
Can you explain why this is in violation of any law? No?


Like I say, it's cool with me. Just don't gripe when your kid has to participate in a wiccan religious ritual.

If they do it voluntarily I have no problem with it.
By the way this is geddon Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by reservation:
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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:
Just don't complain when your kid's teacher leads the class in some wiccan ceremony.


...just as long as no one pushes that Godless socialism on children, like some people push around here.


Really? I have lived in Alabama all my life and have never met a "Socialist". I have, however, met several Theocratic Fundamentalists.


Helen Keller was a Socialist from Tuscumbia, and I met her twice. If you look hard enough you will find Socialist in the Shoals..might start around the court house.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by interventor1:
No government functionaries, like teacher, were involved in the action. The students planned it on their own and others joined in.

"A little rebellion is good for the soul." T. Jefferson.


Yes, the students were coached and assisted in imposing their majority belief on the minority - in spite of the fact that both the minority AND majority pay taxes, and support the school equally.


"...the students were coached..."

Cite your sources to validate this claim please.
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Members of the graduating class of 2009 at Florida's Pace High School have expressed their objections to ACLU restrictions on statements of religious faith at their school by rising up en masse at their ceremony and reciting the Lord's Prayer.

The incident happened just days ago, but has been virtually ignored by media outlets throughout the region,


It was ignored because it is not news.

I'm an atheist but as long as an official of the state was not involved in the public display (as long as a STUDENT led the prayer), these kids were expressing their constitutional right to religious expression.

Contrary to what the religious right says, prayer has not been removed form school. Kids can pray to their heart's content any time and anywhere they want.

This is an excellent reminder of that freedom.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
The Lords Prayer is a Christian Prayer - not a political statement (or at least not typically). If it was an act of "civil disobedience" then where do we stop?

It perhaps is a protest statement about how they feel the country is in decline. Who knows? For that matter, it may be just what you say. As a christian, how would YOU protest screeching secular humanism? The ACLU should take up their cause because they are exercising their freedom of expression.
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For me it is not that I have any problem with "the Lords Prayer" (I pray it every Sunday out loud in Church). What I take issue with is the clear co opting of a publicly funded event by ONE religious group. Catholics do not use the King James Bible, Jews are not Christians and neither are Muslims.

In the sixties, there was a vocal minority that expressed sentiments that were at odds with the majority. It was uncomfortable and offensive to many, but the court called it "freedom of expression". Gay activists today, on Halloween, parade up Sunset Boulevard, wearing only a ribbon tied around a certain appendage, but this is also protected as "freedom of expression."

So a christian prayer, arguably uttered as a statement of protest against secularism, can't be protected at least as much as the public display of genitalia?

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