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Great Deception, happening now!

M M9BerettaFamiliar Face
Great Deception

Question: How has it been so easy for the powers behind the movement toward a 1-world government, the most sinister and clandestine form of world domination ever devised by man, to completely deceive the American people into allowing this movement to slither into place, almost unnoticed?

Answer: Divert attention away from actual behind-the-scenes developments by an alliance of deceitful anti-American powerbrokers. To achieve this, they have created a smokescreen that has totally and completely consumed true American patriots with anger over the obvious, deliberate usurpation of our U.S. Constitution. If this unholy alliance is allowed to succeed, we can say goodbye to the Great American Dream, and to every vision our Founding Fathers had for this unique nation. However, for this elaborate hoax to become successful, certain steps must first be taken. But, as we have already seen, several of those steps are now in place.

First, it was necessary that liberal socialists invent a candidate to run for president of the United States, one whose very name would evoke memories of those same enemies of freedom and democracy that have taken thousands of innocent American lives during this ongoing war against world terrorism. The background of this candidate must be so stealthily secretive and protected that his true identity would be nearly impossible to expose. To justify and ensure the election of this mysteriously conceived candidate, the primary weapon of this campaign would be to intensify the “white-guilt” factor over the institution of slavery by ingraining into the minds of the voters that a vote against this candidate was simply another act of racism.

Second, after [being] elected, this person would intentionally reveal himself to be totally and completely incompetent to handle the duties of the powerful office by encouraging and signing into law legislation specifically designed to divide and destroy this nation. This smokescreen is now well in place!

The intended result of this elaborate hoax is to buy time to move this nation from a representative democracy into a liberal socialist state. The longer this hoax is allowed to perpetuate itself, the more complete this evolution into socialism will become, and at some point, the former citizens of the United States of America, along with citizens of Mexico and Canada, will find themselves as subjects of a Union of Socialist American States (USAS).

Jon Hubbard

Jonesboro

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kusineddykusineddyEverybody Knows My Name
answer: the foundation was laid in november 2000, its was enacted in the next 8 years. name an era when americans rights, freedom and privacy were taken away more than in this decade? at both the federal and state level? we need to all learn to drop this nit picking party crap and for once, not ever vote for an incumbent! after several cleansings of incombents the rest will finally listen to the voters. i think it says"for the people by the people" not for .....corporation
ChowChowHall of Famer
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Originally posted by kusineddy:
answer: the foundation was laid in november 2000, its was enacted in the next 8 years. name an era when americans rights, freedom and privacy were taken away more than in this decade? at both the federal and state level? we need to all learn to drop this nit picking party crap and for once, not ever vote for an incumbent! after several cleansings of incombents the rest will finally listen to the voters. i think it says"for the people by the people" not for .....corporation


The era has just begun, you can't see it happening, liberals are just blind in that way.
I interventor1Post Master
"answer: the foundation was laid in november 2000, its was enacted in the next 8 years. name an era when americans rights, freedom and privacy were taken away more than in this decade? at both the federal and state level? we need to all learn to drop this nit picking party crap and for once, not ever vote for an incumbent! after several cleansings of incombents the rest will finally listen to the voters. i think it says"for the people by the people" not for .....corporation"

Oh, during the time of the Alien and Sesition Acts, during the War or Northern Agression when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, and during WWI when Wilson jailed his opponents and sent street gangs to beat up opponents.
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TI The IncriminatorPost Master
In 1941, DEFACRAT president fdr authorized the forcible relocation and internment of approximately 110,000 Japanese nationals and Japanese Americans to housing facilities called "War Relocation Camps." The Japanese American population of the United States consisted primarily of two groups: foreign-born immigrants, called Issei; and their American-born children, the Nisei. After the bombing of Pearl Harbor, both groups were classified as enemy aliens. Although the nation was also at war with Germany and Italy, the native-born Italian and German Americans faced little hostility or public reprisals.

On the outbreak of the Second World War most Japanese Americans lived in California. On 29th January 1942, the U.S. Attorney General, Francis Biddle, established a number of security areas on the West Coast in California. He also announced that all enemy aliens should be removed from these security areas. Three weeks later President Franklin D. Roosevelt authorized the construction of relocation camps for Japanese Americans being moved from their homes.

Over the next few months ten permanent camps were constructed to house the Japanese Americans that had been removed from security areas. These people were deprived of their homes, their jobs and their constitutional and legal rights.

A defacrat did this because of an act of war??? Preposterous! Only a Republican would do something like this. Roll Eyes


A Japanese-American child waits with the family's baggage before boarding a bus headed for an internment camp, 1942

For present day defacrats to suggest that our steps following 9/11 are even in the same ballpark as this, would indicate utter stupidity.
meanasasnakemeanasasnakeOld Faithful
Nah, its just gratuitous use of people dying on 9/11 to add shock value to marginal postings. Cheap, propagandist use of a national tragedy. Read the heading and body of this thread. The use of photos of dying people on 9/11 attached to that tripe is demeaning and disgusting. When you have no facts to back up silly allegations and conspiracy theories, put up a picture of the people dying on 9/11 - that should add gravity to even the most puerile remarks.
TI The IncriminatorPost Master
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Nah, its just gratuitous use of people dying on 9/11 to add shock value to marginal postings. Cheap, propagandist use of a national tragedy. Read the heading and body of this thread. The use of photos of dying people on 9/11 attached to that tripe is demeaning and disgusting. When you have no facts to back up silly allegations and conspiracy theories, put up a picture of the people dying on 9/11 - that should add gravity to even the most puerile remarks.


When fools such as yourself are in such denial about history, pictures seem to be the only way to go. You can't argue with a picture, can you?

Here is the post from your kousineddy that changed the topic, not mine:

answer: the foundation was laid in november 2000, its was enacted in the next 8 years. name an era when americans rights, freedom and privacy were taken away more than in this decade? at both the federal and state level? we need to all learn to drop this nit picking party crap and for once, not ever vote for an incumbent! after several cleansings of incombents the rest will finally listen to the voters. i think it says"for the people by the people" not for .....corporation
meanasasnakemeanasasnakeOld Faithful
So your only response to the above post is a picture of people dying in fire on 9/11? Instead of giving a reasonably worded response, you USE 9/11 as a tool. "Kusineddie"'s post was fairly reasonable and he made a statement. Instead of responding with your words, you used people burning to death on 9/11 as your weapon to shut down the debate. Its cheap and easy.

It always lets me know that you are all mad Mad when you start the name calling.
TI The IncriminatorPost Master
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
So your only response to the above post is a picture of people dying in fire on 9/11? Instead of giving a reasonably worded response, you USE 9/11 as a tool. "Kusineddie"'s post was fairly reasonable and he made a statement. Instead of responding with your words, you used people burning to death on 9/11 as your weapon to shut down the debate. Its cheap and easy.

It always lets me know that you are all mad Mad when you start the name calling.



Words don't work with you, snakefly. Showing pictures of an aborted baby or an ultrasound or pictures of Americans being murdered (in other words, the stark truth) to liberals is like holding garlic in front of vampires. YOU JUST CAN'T STAND IT.
meanasasnakemeanasasnakeOld Faithful
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Originally posted by kperk:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
So your only response to the above post is a picture of people dying in fire on 9/11? Instead of giving a reasonably worded response, you USE 9/11 as a tool. "Kusineddie"'s post was fairly reasonable and he made a statement. Instead of responding with your words, you used people burning to death on 9/11 as your weapon to shut down the debate. Its cheap and easy.

It always lets me know that you are all mad Mad when you start the name calling.



Words don't work with you, snakefly. Showing pictures of an aborted baby or an ultrasound or pictures of Americans being murdered (in other words, the stark truth) to liberals is like holding garlic in front of vampires. YOU JUST CAN'T STAND IT.


That's just plain silly. The photos of the aborted fetus does not work on me - that is true. There is more to that picture than what meets the eye. There is a woman and a physician involved. Was the woman's life in danger? Was the fetus already dead? What was the reason to end the pregnancy? Its not pretty to look at, but neither is a dead mother, or daughter. Raped women and girls are not pretty to look at either. I have seen several of those in my career.

As for the photos of 9/11, they still give me chills. But I am going to tell you this and you need to comprehend as best you can, so read slowly. When you use photos of people burning to death in 9/11 as a tool for your political agenda ad nausea , you run the risk of desensitizing people to the photos and you trivialize the lives of those who died in the photos. We are on here to have reasonable debate and discussion about issues. The whole point of debate is to express ideas, and opinions - not to use dying Americans as pawns in your hot-headed political ramblings. Use your words. I always try and read your posts, and you often do very well expressing yourself. If you think I, or anyone else is beyond the use of verbiage, then forget about em. But don't use the memory of dead Americans like pawns in a local newspaper chat-room. Its cheap.
TI The IncriminatorPost Master
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

As for the photos of 9/11, they still give me chills. But I am going to tell you this and you need to comprehend as best you can, so read slowly. When you use photos of people burning to death in 9/11 as a tool for your political agenda ad nausea , you run the risk of desensitizing people to the photos and you trivialize the lives of those who died in the photos. cheap.



I can't believe you could be ANYMORE desensitized to 9/11 than you've shown daily, for the last several years.
gracies old mangracies old manPost Master
I have been angry and disappointed that the attacks on 9/11 and the towers falling have been censored by the MSM. I think they should be shown on a regular basis, as a stark reminder of the threats to us.

I don't want to see them for any reason other than that.

I agree with the thought process that there are at least 2 catagories of people when it comes to the terrorist attacks; the 9/12 'ers, who want to do everything possible and legal to keep it from happening again. And the 9/10 'ers who have gone back to the same mentality as before it ever happened.
meanasasnakemeanasasnakeOld Faithful
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Originally posted by kperk:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

As for the photos of 9/11, they still give me chills. But I am going to tell you this and you need to comprehend as best you can, so read slowly. When you use photos of people burning to death in 9/11 as a tool for your political agenda ad nausea , you run the risk of desensitizing people to the photos and you trivialize the lives of those who died in the photos. cheap.



I can't believe you could be ANYMORE desensitized to 9/11 than you've shown daily, for the last several years.


And what, my friend, is it that makes you think that I am or was any less affected by the Terrorist attacks on our nation than you? Is it because I disagreed with the Iraq war? Was it because I did not vote for former President Bush? Was it because, my view of how to pursue those responsible differed from yours? Disagreeing with you does not place into question my patriotism, or commitment to those who died in the attacks of 9/11. I simply do not choose to use the photos as tools for shock effect on this silly little forum. It is about reverence and respect.

As for showing the photos on T.V. all the time. Would you feel the same way if one of your children was on one of the planes? Would you wish to see that on the news over and over?
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TI The IncriminatorPost Master
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by kperk:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

As for the photos of 9/11, they still give me chills. But I am going to tell you this and you need to comprehend as best you can, so read slowly. When you use photos of people burning to death in 9/11 as a tool for your political agenda ad nausea , you run the risk of desensitizing people to the photos and you trivialize the lives of those who died in the photos. cheap.



I can't believe you could be ANYMORE desensitized to 9/11 than you've shown daily, for the last several years.


And what, my friend, is it that makes you think that I am or was any less affected by the Terrorist attacks on our nation than you? Is it because I disagreed with the Iraq war? Was it because I did not vote for former President Bush? Was it because, my view of how to pursue those responsible differed from yours? Disagreeing with you does not place into question my patriotism, or commitment to those who died in the attacks of 9/11. I simply do not choose to use the photos as tools for shock effect on this silly little forum. It is about reverence and respect.

As for showing the photos on T.V. all the time. Would you feel the same way if one of your children was on one of the planes? Would you wish to see that on the news over and over?



Because of your childish, silly incessant attacks on America's efforts to prevent another 9/11. They have worked and it pisses you off to no end. Now that people like you are getting their way, what will you say to the families of the people on the next plane? Something tells me they won't buy your lame excuses.

snakefly, you just go ahead and post all the pics supporting your arguments that you can find. Good luck.
kusineddykusineddyEverybody Knows My Name
what is being told to the soldiers families daily? there is no shame opposing a war where the american people were tricked into supporting. yes we will defend our country against terrorism, i dont think you see opposition to the taliban, but the evidence is more clear everyday we had no business attacking iraq. now explain that to families sending sons and daughters into a war zone.and by the way, i am opposed to the policy not the soldiers, and my best way of honoring them is to oppose what is going on and hopefully they can return to their families quickly and healthy. i dont have all the answers but i can tell when ive been lied to.............


and meansasasnake, remember this, never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and win with experience
TI The IncriminatorPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by kusineddy:
what is being told to the soldiers families daily? there is no shame opposing a war where the american people were tricked into supporting. yes we will defend our country against terrorism, i dont think you see opposition to the taliban, but the evidence is more clear everyday we had no business attacking iraq. now explain that to families sending sons and daughters into a war zone.and by the way, i am opposed to the policy not the soldiers, and my best way of honoring them is to oppose what is going on and hopefully they can return to their families quickly and healthy. i dont have all the answers but i can tell when ive been lied to.............


and meansasasnake, remember this, never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and win with experience



Well kusineddy Smiler, start with your boy willie clinton. If there was lying about iraq's WMDs, it started with willie. Of course he WASN'T lying that time. He knew that saddam had used them before and he wouldn't hesitate to use them again.

You always need to go further back in history to get the whole story, eddy. It also wouldn't surprise me a bit if those weapons don't make a sudden surprise reappearance sometime soon.
Neal HughesNeal HughesHall of Famer
Wow, the lifeboat really was great revisionist history, as only Ted Kennedy was then born at the time of Pearl Harbor and the main party that was nonisolationist were the Democrats, not the Taft-led appeasers -- je m'ajuste -- isolationists the Republicans who led us into the Great Depression and its current iteration.

My cousin Senator Claude Pepper led the US into lend lease almost single handed while the "country club" Republicans led by Taft and Lucky Lindy hobnobbed with Hitler at Berchestgarten. Senator Pepper got hanged in effigy on the lawn at Lafayette Park and assaulted by racist DAR dames.

The Republican Nazi appeasers would not have even entered the European war had Germany not declared war on us. Could we have kept Russia supplied by the Vladistock route in convoy as Moscow was threatened and St. Petersburg as well? How would D-Day have gone without the US Navy and Marines and Army? Could the Soviets even crossed the Elbe without the second front?

The Democratic Party to date has a pretty good record of winning wars, starting with the War of 1812. We can chalk up the Spanish-American to the Republics and the USCW.
kusineddykusineddyEverybody Knows My Name
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Originally posted by kperk:
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Originally posted by kusineddy:
what is being told to the soldiers families daily? there is no shame opposing a war where the american people were tricked into supporting. yes we will defend our country against terrorism, i dont think you see opposition to the taliban, but the evidence is more clear everyday we had no business attacking iraq. now explain that to families sending sons and daughters into a war zone.and by the way, i am opposed to the policy not the soldiers, and my best way of honoring them is to oppose what is going on and hopefully they can return to their families quickly and healthy. i dont have all the answers but i can tell when ive been lied to.............


and meansasasnake, remember this, never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and win with experience



Well kusineddy Smiler, start with your boy willie clinton. If there was lying about iraq's WMDs, it started with willie. Of course he WASN'T lying that time. He knew that saddam had used them before and he wouldn't hesitate to use them again.

You always need to go further back in history to get the whole story, eddy. It also wouldn't surprise me a bit if those weapons don't make a sudden surprise reappearance sometime soon.



now that i look back in the past as you have asked, i see that willie boy as you call him, never did not invade and overthrow the iraqi government. yes i see more, was that country a bigger threat before the invasion or after? and how many americans lost their lives in iraq before W invaded? explain that to the families of soldiers, and look deeper one more time and see who is profiting monetarily from this
I interventor1Post Master
Neal,

Please cut the revisionist nonsense. While Lindbergh was an America Firster and an anti-semite, he spied upon the NSDAP extensively. His reports to FDR are now well known and documented. Lindbergh and FDR loathed each other, but both loved the US.

Only one Marine participated in D-Day, although a small complement was held in readiness if needed.

The US supplied the Soviets with massive amounts of materiel and lost massive amounts to U-Boats in the attempt.

There is an argument that the US should have sent much less materiel to the Soviets and reserved it for the Brits and our own armies. Letting the two kill each other with abandon would have bled both white and forestalled the Cold War and limited the USSR's expansion to its own borders.
logicallogicalHall of Famer
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Originally posted by kperk:
Words don't work with you, snakefly. Showing pictures of an aborted baby or an ultrasound or pictures of Americans being murdered (in other words, the stark truth) to liberals is like holding garlic in front of vampires. YOU JUST CAN'T STAND IT.


ROTL

You are so ridiculous I just have to laugh. Do you really think that showing a picture of 9/11 will make anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions realize their error and have a "come to kperk" moment? I think not.

How about trying a little reason instead of shock and insults.
logicallogicalHall of Famer
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Originally posted by gracies old man:
I have been angry and disappointed that the attacks on 9/11 and the towers falling have been censored by the MSM. I think they should be shown on a regular basis, as a stark reminder of the threats to us.

I don't want to see them for any reason other than that.


Unfortunately, doing that would most likely have the opposite effect. It's just the way most humans work.

quote:

I agree with the thought process that there are at least 2 catagories of people when it comes to the terrorist attacks; the 9/12 'ers, who want to do everything possible and legal to keep it from happening again. And the 9/10 'ers who have gone back to the same mentality as before it ever happened.


I consider myself a 9/12'er. However, having lived for many years where most of the freedoms we enjoy simply did not exist, I am extremely opposed to giving any of them up, especially for the illusion of safety.
logicallogicalHall of Famer
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Originally posted by kperk:
Because of your childish, silly incessant attacks on America's efforts to prevent another 9/11. They have worked and it pisses you off to no end. Now that people like you are getting their way, what will you say to the families of the people on the next plane? Something tells me they won't buy your lame excuses.


Your logic is simply amazing. You use the fact that their hasn't been another 9/11 as proof that all of the things that have been done has prevented one.

By that logic, all of the things that were done up to 9/11 were just as effective as their hadn't been such an attack then either.

Actual proof would be incontrovertible evidence of a planned attack prevented by information gained through one the post-9/11 laws. There has been no such proof presented.

Simply preventing outside access to a plane's ****pit would prevent another 9/11, at least the flying of planes into buildings.
Z zippadeedoodahOld Faithful
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Originally posted by logical:
Your logic is simply amazing. You use the fact that their hasn't been another 9/11 as proof that all of the things that have been done has prevented one.

Actual proof would be incontrovertible evidence of a planned attack prevented by information gained through one the post-9/11 laws. There has been no such proof presented.

There is incontrovertible proof that another airliner-building close encounter was thwarted through the use of the techniques applied post-9/11.
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By that logic, all of the things that were done up to 9/11 were just as effective as their hadn't been such an attack then either.

Check your history. The WTC was attacked, the Khobar Towers, embassies, nightclubs, ships, individuals...all victims of the jihad.
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Simply preventing outside access to a plane's pilot's compartment would prevent another 9/11, at least the flying of planes into buildings.

An assumption; perhaps bad, perhaps good. If you were a pilot, and a flight attendant was being flayed alive outside the door, what would you do?
PL Pepper LewisHall of Famer
An assumption; perhaps bad, perhaps good. If you were a pilot, and a flight attendant was being flayed alive outside the door, what would you do?


Why Zip,being a candyassed lib,he would probably do the same thing Barrack Carter Obama would do.He would apologize th the terrorist for the flight attendants arrogance and ask what he needed to not hate her so.He would sit down with him without preconditions.But under NO circumstances would the nice man be waterboarded.

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