The fruity nutcake, Larry E Jaynes, is at it again on the Brooks Lions will pray page:


Regardless of how anyone may attempt to sugar coat a response to these angry atheist who are out to destroy your belief in God; realize this group of people are different from an atheist who does not believe in God and needs to be taught different. These people consider themselves to be less than human primates and not creations of God. They are embedding themselves into society among you armed with a tool Blair Scott, gave in the recent debate with Kyle Butt, when he assured the world that the angry atheist is obliged to lie if necessary. Members of this group actually participate in a “national blaspheming day” where they vocally blaspheme against the Holy spirit for “entertainment” here is a QUOTE from one of these angry atheists...

Then he quotes something from the Times Daily forum. Hmm...

Members of this group actually participate in a “national blaspheming day” where they vocally blaspheme against the Holy spirit for “entertainment” here is a QUOTE from one of these angry atheists...

 

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What national blashpheming day do we vocally blaspheme against his holy spirit? What a liar this man is.

Originally Posted by lexum:

contendah, are you the betternu of previous times?

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Yes, and I have previously acknowledged this on the TD Forums.  I am not operating under any kind of alias or deception. Indeed, as you anticipated, it is the very same articulate, grammatically pure, politically and religiously sublime,  modest and humble ME!  What is YOUR prior identity?

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Members of this group actually participate in a “national blaspheming day” where they vocally blaspheme against the Holy spirit for “entertainment” here is a QUOTE from one of these angry atheists...

 

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What national blashpheming day do we vocally blaspheme against his holy spirit? What a liar this man is.

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There IS such a thing as National Blaphemy Day.

 

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2...-looks-for-a-target/

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by lexum:

contendah, are you the betternu of previous times?

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Yes, and I have previously acknowledged this on the TD Forums.  I am not operating under any kind of alias or deception. Indeed, as you anticipated, it is the very same articulate, grammatically pure, politically and religiously sublime,  modest and humble ME!  What is YOUR prior identity?

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Tnx for clearing that up. I wasn’t sure. You seem to have joined joys church and that’s ok . Just wondering. Ok .huh? You appeared to have sided against the prayer at school issue.

quote:  Originally Posted by _Joy_:

semi, we gave up.  Most of us have tried to talk sense into him over the years.  He will not hear us.  Please don't take our silence as condoning his methods; we certainly do not.  Can I just say that I love it that you call anybody on anything?  I really do appreciate that, even when it's me.


Hi Joy,

 

Yes, for the past five years I have shared my conservative Christian views and you have shared your liberal Christian views.  You say you have called me a number of times.  Just as a refresher -- specifically,  with which of my conservative Christian beliefs do you disagree?

 

Do you disagree that we are saved by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ -- plus nothing else?

 

Do you disagree that the Bible is the Holy Spirit inspired, inerrant, literal Written Word of God -- and the only authority for Christian teaching?

 

Do you disagree with my belief in the Trinity?

 

Do you disagree with my belief that there are only two eternal destinations -- heaven and hell -- and that ALL people will spend eternity in one or the other?

 

Possibly you disagree with my belief in the non-essential doctrines of eschatology, baptism, etc.

 

Or, possibly, you disagree with my belief that churches should, and must, teach about both heaven and hell?

 

Joy, you keep saying over and over again that you have called me.   Please.  Tell me exactly where and on what you have called me.  Let's please clear the air.

 

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

You say you have called me a number of times.  Just as a refresher -- specifically,  with which of my conservative Christian beliefs do you disagree?

 Bill

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Bill, which part of  "Most of us have tried to talk sense into him over the years. He will not hear us" do you not understand????

Bill, I did not say I called you.  I told semi that I appreciated her calling anybody on anything.  I realize that makes most of your post pretty silly, but you did prove my point for me.  READ my post.

 

I've told you many times I feel your methods are contrary to scripture; you never listen to me or other Christians who have told you this.  Use the TVT's search feature to view any of those exchanges.

Bill, joy believes the exact same thing as you. She is jealous of you and constantly sides with the devil against you. Actually she is kicking Jesus in the face when she blasphemes you. Why do you keep arguing with her. She needs to examine her heart worse than DF.  Gofish has already doomed himself.

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by lexum:

contendah, are you the betternu of previous times?

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Yes, and I have previously acknowledged this on the TD Forums.  I am not operating under any kind of alias or deception. Indeed, as you anticipated, it is the very same articulate, grammatically pure, politically and religiously sublime,  modest and humble ME!  What is YOUR prior identity?

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Tnx for clearing that up. I wasn’t sure. You seem to have joined joys church and that’s ok . Just wondering. Ok .huh? You appeared to have sided against the prayer at school issue.

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I have no idea what church, mosque, or synagogue Joy is associated with and I do not know her except as a forum member.  Yes, I am on the side of the Constitution on the school prayer issue. I am FOR compliance with the Constitution.  I am a praying person and I respect the legitimate rights of others to pray.  I do not agree with those who wish to foist their prayers on others in conjunction with gummint activities.

The brainwashed fundies like lexum/Rram/Buff cannot imagine the reality that the Universe exists on its own terms, knowable to us all, and is irrespective to the gods we humans have invented.

 

I pity them.  Still, I do not tolerate them, as they are dangerous.  Their eschatological opinions are a serious threat to the survival of mankind and other species.

They are 400 years behind the times, yet enslaved to an even more ancient superstition.  The time is now to break this evil and counterproductive cycle of magic thinking.  There is no magic, just a scam that insists that it's real. 

 

Jeremy Green is more of a prophet than Jesus.  It's time to wake up.  It's time to grasp reality for what it is, not what we'd prefer it to be.  Do it now.

 

DF

 

Originally Posted by lexum:

Contendah, I think you have sided against prayer in school just for the novelty of akin da fo and patting these alligator mouth atheists on the head is to show some kind of squeamish bravery that is not atall sellable to anyone.

 

Is there anyone here Christian or atheist that doesn't think lexum is a blithering idiot?

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

The brainwashed fundies like lexum/Rram/Buff cannot imagine the reality that the Universe exists on its own terms, knowable to us all, and is irrespective to the gods we humans have invented.

 

I pity them.  Still, I do not tolerate them, as they are dangerous.  Their eschatological opinions are a serious threat to the survival of mankind and other species.

They are 400 years behind the times, yet enslaved to an even more ancient superstition.  The time is now to break this evil and counterproductive cycle of magic thinking.  There is no magic, just a scam that insists that it's real. 

 

Jeremy Green is more of a prophet than Jesus.  It's time to wake up.  It's time to grasp reality for what it is, not what we'd prefer it to be.  Do it now.

 

DF

 

 

 

From what I've read Jeremy Green is a liar at best who can't hold a job and lives with mommy and daddy. Not a prophet. Yes, I'm a fan of SS, but they really should have checked his "MBA" if she/he wanted to get a scoop. I don't think his latest stunt will win him any jobs in the area.

Originally Posted by Infomercial:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

The brainwashed fundies like lexum/Rram/Buff cannot imagine the reality that the Universe exists on its own terms, knowable to us all, and is irrespective to the gods we humans have invented.

 

I pity them.  Still, I do not tolerate them, as they are dangerous.  Their eschatological opinions are a serious threat to the survival of mankind and other species.

They are 400 years behind the times, yet enslaved to an even more ancient superstition.  The time is now to break this evil and counterproductive cycle of magic thinking.  There is no magic, just a scam that insists that it's real. 

 

Jeremy Green is more of a prophet than Jesus.  It's time to wake up.  It's time to grasp reality for what it is, not what we'd prefer it to be.  Do it now.

 

DF

 

 

 

From what I've read Jeremy Green is a liar at best who can't hold a job and lives with mommy and daddy. Not a prophet. Yes, I'm a fan of SS, but they really should have checked his "MBA" if she/he wanted to get a scoop. I don't think his latest stunt will win him any jobs in the area.

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He has a job remember? First SS got the part about his education wrong, then she lied about his employment. Since he does consultant work for Google I seriously doubt his job is in any kind of danger due to the crackpot Christians and their ravings here in our backwards little town. Many people who are educated and work in the web industry work from home. Its called trans-commuting or working remotely. After the worldwide exposure he got from this brave act, I am sure there will be many more opportunities open up to him. If I were him I would not want to work for any local businesses. He can do so much better. 

 

Also I am not so sure about the prophet thing....he said this would be the outcome and he was right!

If the Founding Fathers had wanted religion to not be a part of government, they would have not had prayers at the initial confessional meetings. Today, every session of Congress and the Supreme court meetings begins with a prayer. The Founder fathers were not atheist but consisted of a diverse group of different religions who intended to keep religion in government, but you had your choice of which religion you wanted to be affiliated with.

Originally Posted by Bob_White:

If the Founding Fathers had wanted religion to not be a part of government, they would have not had prayers at the initial confessional meetings. Today, every session of Congress and the Supreme court meetings begins with a prayer. The Founder fathers were not atheist but consisted of a diverse group of different religions who intended to keep religion in government, but you had your choice of which religion you wanted to be affiliated with.

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This is my favorite because the fundies can't try an interpret it to mean something it does not.

 

Treaty of Peace and Friendship Between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary, 1796-1797

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion--as it has itself no character of enmity against the law, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims], ... ("Article 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship between The United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary,"

 

 The Founder fathers were not atheist but consisted of a diverse group of different religions who intended to keep religion in government, but you had your choice of which religion you wanted to be affiliated with.

 

 

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If you "had your choice" but they intended to keep religion in government, who decided which religion was to be kept in government? Just how would that work? They felt, and rightly so, that religion had no place in government.  Sometimes people confuse the argument to think atheists are saying that they wanted NO religion at all. I'd argue that our "founding fathers" were way more tolerant of different religions and non-belief than the christians of today. Why do atheists post on a "religion" forum is the question ask a hundred times and answered a hundred times. This is one reason. We were intended as a country that would practice tolerance but we have/had groups that don't like that so it changed over the years to christians having free reign to use religion to oppress and discriminate against people that didn't believe, or didn't believe the way they think they should. It's time that changed.

 

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Article 11 of that treaty is very controversial. Of course, non believers want to skew it to mean that the US was denouncing religion altogether, when in fact what is means is that religion would not be a basis for war. Good try though.
Originally Posted by Bob_White:

 

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Article 11 of that treaty is very controversial. Of course, non believers want to skew it to mean that the US was denouncing religion altogether, when in fact what is means is that religion would not be a basis for war. Good try though.


No that is NOT what non-believers want it to mean. It means that this country, once again, was not founded on religion and even though the people were religious they were saying that they were not so rabid about it that they'd fight wars over it. But we all know where that went.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
Originally Posted by Infomercial:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

The brainwashed fundies like lexum/Rram/Buff cannot imagine the reality that the Universe exists on its own terms, knowable to us all, and is irrespective to the gods we humans have invented.

 

I pity them.  Still, I do not tolerate them, as they are dangerous.  Their eschatological opinions are a serious threat to the survival of mankind and other species.

They are 400 years behind the times, yet enslaved to an even more ancient superstition.  The time is now to break this evil and counterproductive cycle of magic thinking.  There is no magic, just a scam that insists that it's real. 

 

Jeremy Green is more of a prophet than Jesus.  It's time to wake up.  It's time to grasp reality for what it is, not what we'd prefer it to be.  Do it now.

 

DF

 

 

 

From what I've read Jeremy Green is a liar at best who can't hold a job and lives with mommy and daddy. Not a prophet. Yes, I'm a fan of SS, but they really should have checked his "MBA" if she/he wanted to get a scoop. I don't think his latest stunt will win him any jobs in the area.

_____________________________

 

He has a job remember? First SS got the part about his education wrong, then she lied about his employment. Since he does consultant work for Google I seriously doubt his job is in any kind of danger due to the crackpot Christians and their ravings here in our backwards little town. Many people who are educated and work in the web industry work from home. Its called trans-commuting or working remotely. After the worldwide exposure he got from this brave act, I am sure there will be many more opportunities open up to him. If I were him I would not want to work for any local businesses. He can do so much better. 

 

Also I am not so sure about the prophet thing....he said this would be the outcome and he was right!

 

 

I assume that was directed at me. He says he has a job, but we know it isn't with Google, so he lied on his FB page. I know someone who knows him and says he can't hold a job due to his "problems." I think SS or anyone else can just google his job description and see that he is a sub contractor. I suppose he's a friend of yours. Good that you stand up for him, but please don't lie for him.

 

It doesn't take a prophet to know the school board will uphold the law. Anyone from Joe Blow the garbage man to Mayor Irorns could have called the board on this and "won." The school board was breaking the law. My two kids go to Florence city and as far as I know haven't had prayers at games in years. Just don't make a hero of a liar.

I assume that was directed at me. He says he has a job, but we know it isn't with Google, so he lied on his FB page. I know someone who knows him and says he can't hold a job due to his "problems." I think SS or anyone else can just google his job description and see that he is a sub contractor. I suppose he's a friend of yours. Good that you stand up for him, but please don't lie for him.

 

 

Odd that you would know someone that knows him so well that they can not only speak personally of mr. green's life and say he has problems, and feels comfortable enough with you to tell you things about mr. green.  To me it sounds like someone wanting to make himself or herself important for a few minutes.  When a person is doing work for any company, google or whatever, that is who they are working for. It doesn't matter how they came to be there.

Unless Google signs his paycheck, he's not working for Google. End of story. I rep six companies, but don't work for any of them. I work for myself.

Yes, people who know him will gossip about him. That's life. As for getting a job with another company and working at home, does he have any skills?

Infomercial,

I can't conjure a more thread bare and ridiculous personal attack on someone than the one you've mounted and held against Mr. Green. I mean seriously, his personal life is somehow objectionable to you? And that's germane to any of this exactly how?


He's a patriot. Taking personal risk to uphold  the Constitution, where others have looked away from illegal behavior for decades. You agree he's right about the law, so what exactly is the problem?

Originally Posted by Infomercial:
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

From what I've read Jeremy Green is a liar at best who can't hold a job and lives with mommy and daddy. Not a prophet. Yes, I'm a fan of SS, but they really should have checked his "MBA" if she/he wanted to get a scoop. I don't think his latest stunt will win him any jobs in the area.

_____________________________

 

He has a job remember? First SS got the part about his education wrong, then she lied about his employment. Since he does consultant work for Google I seriously doubt his job is in any kind of danger due to the crackpot Christians and their ravings here in our backwards little town. Many people who are educated and work in the web industry work from home. Its called trans-commuting or working remotely. After the worldwide exposure he got from this brave act, I am sure there will be many more opportunities open up to him. If I were him I would not want to work for any local businesses. He can do so much better. 

 

Also I am not so sure about the prophet thing....he said this would be the outcome and he was right!

 

 

I assume that was directed at me. He says he has a job, but we know it isn't with Google, so he lied on his FB page. I know someone who knows him and says he can't hold a job due to his "problems." I think SS or anyone else can just google his job description and see that he is a sub contractor. I suppose he's a friend of yours. Good that you stand up for him, but please don't lie for him.

 

It doesn't take a prophet to know the school board will uphold the law. Anyone from Joe Blow the garbage man to Mayor Irorns could have called the board on this and "won." The school board was breaking the law. My two kids go to Florence city and as far as I know haven't had prayers at games in years. Just don't make a hero of a liar.

______________________________

 

Show me where I lied? Yes he is a friend and a very nice guy. The personal attacks that you and SS have launched at him reflect more on your own characters than his. Anytime I here someone say "I know someone that knows him and they said" I stop listening. That is just hen house gossip.

 

I was making a joke about the prophet bit. Oh wait...aren't you the one that can't get a grasp of how to use the emoticons? That would explain the misunderstanding I guess. The difference between Joe Blow, Mayor Irons, or you for that matter, and Mr. Green is that he actually had the guts to stand up and do something about those that were breaking the law. Mr. Green did not lie, doesn't really matter what he does for a living or where he lives though. Apparently you have nothing better to do than to spread gossip and innuendo about someone you don't personally know. What does that say about you info? He is the hero you wish you were.

If the legislature were successful in passing a law that would make it unlawful for prayer anywhere that law would be unconstitutional and unjust. It would be your obligation to insist this unjust law be broken and further anyone wanting to pray should do so.

You may take shots at Jeremy Green's job, it does not matter.  If it had not been him, it would have been Joe Blow, or Mary Palooka, or Charlemagne Gonzales.  The matter remains the same, public prayer in Jesus' name is inappropriate.  Jeremy was simply the patriot who stepped forward.  He is the man who is willing to take the arrows of the superstitious and UnAmerican until the righteousness of his actions sink in.

 

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Jeremy is a totally unsavory person.  By the way, he is nothing of the sort.  However, taken that he is... so what?  He STILL has a point.  Ad hominem attacks simply demonstrate the inability of his detractors to present a reasonable argument based on the issue at hand.  Every ad hominem attack on Jeremy is an arrow in his quiver.

 

Criticize his arguments--fair enough.  Criticize the man--you lose.

 

DF

Originally Posted by lexum:

Further: Mr. Valentine needs to clarify why his decision that county school employees should not involve themselves in public prayer should not be seen as a threat of persecution.

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Mr. Valentine's order appears clear:  "Effective immediately, football games are not to be opened with a prayer that is in anyway led, directed, organized, or encouraged by Lauderdale County Board of Education employees."


School employees who disregard this instruction will in all likelihood be disciplined in some manner for insubordination, and they should be. Discipline is NOT "persecution." The order does not prevent employees from individually praying in a manner that is NOT associated with leading, directing, organizing, or encouraging religious expression at football games or other official school activities.

 

Too many of you deranged wingers are quick to classify anything that interferes with your unconstitutional notions of theocracy as "persecution."  Your freedom to practice your religious  beliefs is greater in this nation than anywhere else on earth. Whadda ya want?  An egg in yer beer?

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

You may take shots at Jeremy Green's job, it does not matter.  If it had not been him, it would have been Joe Blow, or Mary Palooka, or Charlemagne Gonzales.  The matter remains the same, public prayer in Jesus' name is inappropriate.  Jeremy was simply the patriot who stepped forward.  He is the man who is willing to take the arrows of the superstitious and UnAmerican until the righteousness of his actions sink in.

 

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Jeremy is a totally unsavory person.  By the way, he is nothing of the sort.  However, taken that he is... so what?  He STILL has a point.  Ad hominem attacks simply demonstrate the inability of his detractors to present a reasonable argument based on the issue at hand.  Every ad hominem attack on Jeremy is an arrow in his quiver.

 

Criticize his arguments--fair enough.  Criticize the man--you lose.

 

DF


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Is it just me or did one certain "loudmouth" drop this subject like a hot potato?

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by lexum:

Further: Mr. Valentine needs to clarify why his decision that county school employees should not involve themselves in public prayer should not be seen as a threat of persecution.

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Mr. Valentine's order appears clear:  "Effective immediately, football games are not to be opened with a prayer that is in anyway led, directed, organized, or encouraged by Lauderdale County Board of Education employees."


School employees who disregard this instruction will in all likelihood be disciplined in some manner for insubordination, and they should be. Discipline is NOT "persecution." The order does not prevent employees from individually praying in a manner that is NOT associated with leading, directing, organizing, or encouraging religious expression at football games or other official school activities.

 

Too many of you deranged wingers are quick to classify anything that interferes with your unconstitutional notions of theocracy as "persecution."  Your freedom to practice your religious  beliefs is greater in this nation than anywhere else on earth. Whadda ya want?  An egg in yer beer?

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vailed threat of percecution plain and clear contendah. Valentine is in direct violation of the U S Constitution. let me remind you of what it says:

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

let me point out to you Contendah:

1. there is no law respecting an ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION

2. Mr. Valentine has in violation of the US Constitution sought to prohibit the free execercise of religion on the part of employees and in doing so affected the freedom of exercise on the part of citizens who elected him. He is sworn to uphold the Constitution and is in violation of that trust.

 

contenda if you cant see that plain and simple you simply just don't want to. Don't dig yourself any deeper in error than you already have. eating crow may not be to your taste.

 

on behalf of truth i demand you recant your poisition. [new word for the day]

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by lexum:

Further: Mr. Valentine needs to clarify why his decision that county school employees should not involve themselves in public prayer should not be seen as a threat of persecution.

****

 

Mr. Valentine's order appears clear:  "Effective immediately, football games are not to be opened with a prayer that is in anyway led, directed, organized, or encouraged by Lauderdale County Board of Education employees."


School employees who disregard this instruction will in all likelihood be disciplined in some manner for insubordination, and they should be. Discipline is NOT "persecution." The order does not prevent employees from individually praying in a manner that is NOT associated with leading, directing, organizing, or encouraging religious expression at football games or other official school activities.

 

Too many of you deranged wingers are quick to classify anything that interferes with your unconstitutional notions of theocracy as "persecution."  Your freedom to practice your religious  beliefs is greater in this nation than anywhere else on earth. Whadda ya want?  An egg in yer beer?

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vailed threat of percecution plain and clear contendah. Valentine is in direct violation of the U S Constitution. let me remind you of what it says:

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

let me point out to you Contendah:

1. there is no law respecting an ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION

2. Mr. Valentine has in violation of the US Constitution sought to prohibit the free execercise of religion on the part of employees and in doing so affected the freedom of exercise on the part of citizens who elected him. He is sworn to uphold the Constitution and is in violation of that trust.

 

contenda if you cant see that plain and simple you simply just don't want to. Don't dig yourself any deeper in error than you already have. eating crow may not be to your taste.

 

on behalf of truth i demand you recant your poisition. [new word for the day]

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Demand all you wish, lexum; there is no reason for me to recant anything. "Free exercise" is not a concept that must be enfleshed within  sectarian public actions of governmental authorities in order for the First Amendment to have practical validity.  Your concept of free exercise is intolerably expansive and wholly out of line with a whole string of judicial decisions applying to the First Amendment.  You and others who will simply not face up to this fact, continue to serve up your simplistic and wrongheaded guardhouse lawyer drivel in support of your untenable positions. You are on the losing side, plain and simple.  You are hereby ordered to CEASE and DESIST!!!

By the way Dfat, I’ve been meaning to respond to a post of yours a few days back where you referred to me as a “fundie: be ye not deceived DF I consider it a compliment to be called a “fundie”.

 

I figure with my command of all disciplines of learning it should be a goal of yours to be one.

By the way +1 DF what is the metric upon which you declare someone a fundie?

 

I’ll bet you don’t know.

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