Originally Posted by teyates:
No you are pretty much wrong on several accounts. If a group of Jewsih students were feeling ostracized, or a group of Muslim students were feeling left out, and that group of students went before the Board of Education and asked for either permission to voice a prayer, or for it to cease, I would side with them. That is not what is happeneing here. Mr. Green has no real concern with separation of church and state, what a joke, and you are a fool if you believe that as well. The man does not attend school there, nor does he supposedly have children there. He is being what I grew up to know as a "troublemaker". He wishes to use the power of the courts to stop something that he does not agree with, and feels threatened by.
Atheists, humanists, or whatevers you chose to call yourselves this week, think they know what is best for everyone. Let the students at the school decide, within reason, what they wish to do before their ball game. It is their school and their event. Just because you have no faith does not mean that someone else should share your loss.
And no real Christian who knows God and loves God would condone the ceasing of a voluntary public prayer. To do so is to bow down to pressure from those who think they know what is best for everyone else. At the same time they know that God will hear the whisper as well as the outspoken prayer. But God thru Jesus instructed those who would deny him, he would deny also.
If any sect of students wanted to pray they can pray when they like. This isn't about squelching the right to pray, and if the students went and asked to read their prayers on the PA at games they would be told no, just as anyone should be. It isn't a prayer meeting for any one group or even all groups. Maybe he is a troublemaker...I don't know him so I don't know, and I might agree if I knew him..I don't know. But whether he is or not doesn't mean he can't be right about this law or have the right to want it stopped.
The bolded part is ironic to me. Abortion is legal in this country and discrimination is illegal, but bills and tricks and sneak attacks have been initiated all over the country by groups who want to limit or eliminate the right to an abortion just because their religious beliefs or personal beliefs don't gel with a person's right to choose, and gays and other groups are discriminated against by religious groups often, so how is he any different than those groups even if he is doing what you say? Are they troublemakers as well?
I don't have any loss of faith, and not only is this about a law being broken, but I suppose if you could choose you would also have students allowed to choose which races could attend their schools, if gay students could be kicked out, or if only teachers who are Christian could teach there? You know, there are private schools who do those things already, and that is why they are called private schools that aren't supposed to be paid for by taxpayers or sanctioned as state-approved religious schools. No one is saying a person can't pray...once again...no one. The real issue is people who have been getting to decide what is best for everyone have been challenged, and that can be uncomfortable...change is hard, but respect for others is a step forward and not backward.
Your last paragraph basically seems to say to me that not only does a person have to believe in Jesus and be saved to be a real Christian, but must also believe that how you think is the only right way to think to be "real". This isn't about just atheists...as I said, when I was Christian this bothered me even then, and I have known many other Christians who felt the same way No one is denying God by praying quietly at a game...isn't that acknowledging him? I don't think I know what is best for everyone really...that is why moment of silence was suggested so everyone can do whatever moves them. Your prayers aren't forbidden at all, and if God can hear them whispered then please feel free to whisper them and we can all feel that compromise has been accomplished.