Christianity, sadly, does not hold the honor of being the only group who is filled with nutjobs and zealots, as evidenced by this man's actions, and those who hold him in reverence.  I am not condoning the actions of either group, just simply pointing out that Mr. Green had nothing to fear from the vocal prayers at the school, and his actions are a ferverent display of someone who is either looking for attention or feels threatened by his Christian neighbors prayers to a God in whom he says he does not believe,

 

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What in the world has this man done for you to label him a "nutjob"?  Who holds him in reverence? I don't know him personally, I might or might not like him if I met him. And again, who would want the kind of "attention" everyone knows you get when you go up against the sacred cow called religion?? And that hint that deep down he might believe is just like an ex-boyfriend or ex-girlfriend stalking their ex and yelling "stop this! Why are you doing this?" "You know you still love me"! Why does he have to be conflicted to oppose a group breaking the law? And which laws are we allowed to break? Can we pick and choose?  I want to park in one of those always empty handicapped parking spots. Why can't I do that? Who would I be hurting? And once more I will ask, why the prayers anyway? You're there to see a ballgame, not, as RP pointed out, in church. Are christians so afraid and conflicted that they have to pray every time the wind blows? What would happen if you didn't pray at a sporting event? Would your god strike you down or punish the kids on the field?

I would not have a problem with you doing that.  I would sit there with a smirk on my face and relish in your ignorance, but would have no desire to run to my local attorney and have an injunction filed because I felt threatened by your actions.  As I see it, I am firm in my beliefs and secure in what I believe, so much so that if I hear prayers from a Muslim cleric I do not feel threatened by them, no more than i would be if I walked into a Wiccan ceremony or a bunch of Devil worshippers.  My point is that Mr. Green, and his lackies (of which you are since you promote his agenda) think that you have acheived some great victory over the Christians who are trying to take away your freedoms.  You have done no such thing.  In reality, a moment of silence is fine with me, I have a problem with your liberal ideals and the hypocrisy of a group that finds it is OK to suppress one groups public speaking because you feel threatened by them.

It is OK to say you are scared....the first step to solving your problem is admitting you have one.....lol.

Perhaps when the whole stadium breaks into a prayer, which will certainly be much louder and more heartfelt than a simple person's attempt to acknowledge God, Mr. Green can live with the fact that he probably did more for Christianity in the community than if he would have just kept his mouth shut, sat there, and smirked......lol.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Christianity, sadly, does not hold the honor of being the only group who is filled with nutjobs and zealots, as evidenced by this man's actions, and those who hold him in reverence.  I am not condoning the actions of either group, just simply pointing out that Mr. Green had nothing to fear from the vocal prayers at the school, and his actions are a ferverent display of someone who is either looking for attention or feels threatened by his Christian neighbors prayers to a God in whom he says he does not believe,

 

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What in the world has this man done for you to label him a "nutjob"?  Who holds him in reverence? I don't know him personally, I might or might not like him if I met him. And again, who would want the kind of "attention" everyone knows you get when you go up against the sacred cow called religion?? And that hint that deep down he might believe is just like an ex-boyfriend or ex-girlfriend stalking their ex and yelling "stop this! Why are you doing this?" "You know you still love me"! Why does he have to be conflicted to oppose a group breaking the law? And which laws are we allowed to break? Can we pick and choose?  I want to park in one of those always empty handicapped parking spots. Why can't I do that? Who would I be hurting? And once more I will ask, why the prayers anyway? You're there to see a ballgame, not, as RP pointed out, in church. Are christians so afraid and conflicted that they have to pray every time the wind blows? What would happen if you didn't pray at a sporting event? Would your god strike you down or punish the kids on the field?


Well said, Best.

Its OK, I think Don Quixote was a "nut job" also.  He went around jousting at windmills.  Something that should have been no threat to him but he was "feeling pressured" I guess.  To each his own, but anyone who thinks that Mr. Green's action is going to suppress or calm Christianity in this region is nothing more than a Don Quixote.  He has a right to his beliefs, and I stand by the fact that he is evidently not to secure in them if he is threatened by a public prayer.

And I stand by the statement that christians must be very insecure too if they feel they have to pray everywhere they go. And you are the type that would call the cops so fast it would make my head spin if you saw me or anyone else park in a handicapped spot. I don't know what mr. green's "agenda" is IF he even has one, but yes, I stand by his right to complain when laws are broken. A victory over christians? How do you figure? There are plenty of christians that agree with atheists on this.

Originally Posted by teyates:

I would not have a problem with you doing that.  I would sit there with a smirk on my face and relish in your ignorance, but would have no desire to run to my local attorney and have an injunction filed because I felt threatened by your actions.  As I see it, I am firm in my beliefs and secure in what I believe, so much so that if I hear prayers from a Muslim cleric I do not feel threatened by them, no more than i would be if I walked into a Wiccan ceremony or a bunch of Devil worshippers.  My point is that Mr. Green, and his lackies (of which you are since you promote his agenda) think that you have acheived some great victory over the Christians who are trying to take away your freedoms.  You have done no such thing.  In reality, a moment of silence is fine with me, I have a problem with your liberal ideals and the hypocrisy of a group that finds it is OK to suppress one groups public speaking because you feel threatened by them.

It is OK to say you are scared....the first step to solving your problem is admitting you have one.....lol.

Perhaps when the whole stadium breaks into a prayer, which will certainly be much louder and more heartfelt than a simple person's attempt to acknowledge God, Mr. Green can live with the fact that he probably did more for Christianity in the community than if he would have just kept his mouth shut, sat there, and smirked......lol.


I am not anyone's lackey, and the people who support the separation of church and state aren't his lackeys either.  I would say most people who would like to see the moment of silence aren't trying to get one over on anyone, but I can't speak for other people's motives.

 

I have a problem with any group who feels the need to broadcast their prayer over a PA at school events that aren't prayer meetings and no one group is represented, and oh..and when that is illegal.  You can dislike my liberal ideals all you want, but ironically the views that liberal people hold protect your right to pray as well as my right not to have any religion become a state religion.  Liberals generally don't want religion abolished or forbidden, but simply not to have one religion be the preferred one.  I understand that this is hard for those who would prefer to be the preferred group, but it really isn't reasonable for anyone else to agree to that situation if they value their rights and freedoms.  

 

If you need to believe that everyone who disagrees with you is scared that is cool with me, but it isn't reality.  Perhaps when the stadium fills with a peaceful silence where all faiths and beliefs are respected and no laws are broken, where the energy and feel in the place is caring and positive without a particular religion having the right to run the show according to one set of rules it will be a place of fairness for all.

 

I am really surprised that you really believe that people shouting prayers in great numbers just because it is the way things are being done (we have no idea how many really even are thinking about what they are saying) than a simple person's attempt to acknowledge God.  How would that be determined?  I would think God would like to have some sincere believers quietly praying to him from their hearts than a stadium full of people shouting loudly to fill the air whether it is from the heart or not...perhaps I am wrong on that, though.  I thought what is the a person's heart mattered more than the public prayer..hmm.  If you are really okay with a moment of silence and the PA prayer is illegal, then why are you against it happening?  They will most likely be reasonable since they won't win the case and do it anyway.

 

First of all the government has no business having anything to do with schools. Can someone show me in the Constitution where it says it's the governments job to run the schools? Secondly it's freedom "of" religion not "from". We are a "Christian" nation that was built on the belief that all religions should be free tp practice. I have no problem with having prayer before a ballgame. It would be sad if the practice has to stop because of one individual.

Originally Posted by teyates:

Its OK, I think Don Quixote was a "nut job" also.  He went around jousting at windmills.  Something that should have been no threat to him but he was "feeling pressured" I guess.  To each his own, but anyone who thinks that Mr. Green's action is going to suppress or calm Christianity in this region is nothing more than a Don Quixote.  He has a right to his beliefs, and I stand by the fact that he is evidently not to secure in them if he is threatened by a public prayer.


Who said that is what this is about?  You are adding all kinds of agendas to a simple statement that this practice is unfair and illegal.  Who exactly is trying to suppress Christianity here?  Are you not Christian if you can't hear yelled prayers over loudspeakers at football games?  I would say that the Arab community is as Christian as it ever was, and if you think it is helping your religion then why worry about it anyway?

 

Yes, he does have a right to his beliefs, and if not hearing yelled prayers threatens you then by your own logic you are evidently not too secure in your beliefs.  I am not saying you are or not...that is your own logic I am following.  Once again...no one said you can't pray all day for the rest of your life if you want...no one is saying that, and in this country that is supposed to be true for all belief systems.  If I want to believe my avatar is God I can...but I just don't pray to him at school football games over the loudspeaker.  That is fair to everyone and takes nothing from anyone else except the control away from one group to yell at everyone else.

No you are pretty much wrong on several accounts.  If a group of Jewsih students were feeling ostracized, or a group of Muslim students were feeling left out, and that group of students went before the Board of Education and asked for either permission to voice a prayer, or for it to cease, I would side with them.  That is not what is happeneing here.  Mr. Green has no real concern with separation of church and state, what a joke, and you are a fool if you believe that as well.  The man does not attend school there, nor does he supposedly have children there.  He is being what I grew up to know as a "troublemaker".  He wishes to use the power of the courts to stop something that he does not agree with, and feels threatened by.

Atheists, humanists, or whatevers you chose to call yourselves this week, think they know what is best for everyone.  Let the students at the school decide, within reason, what they wish to do before their ball game.  It is their school and their event.  Just because you have no faith does not mean that someone else should share your loss. 

And no real Christian who knows God and loves God would condone the ceasing of a voluntary public prayer.  To do so is to bow down to pressure from those who think they know what is best for everyone else.  At the same time they know that God will hear the whisper as well as the outspoken prayer. But God thru Jesus instructed those who would deny him, he would deny also.

Originally Posted by ferrellj:

First of all the government has no business having anything to do with schools. Can someone show me in the Constitution where it says it's the governments job to run the schools? Secondly it's freedom "of" religion not "from". We are a "Christian" nation that was built on the belief that all religions should be free tp practice. I have no problem with having prayer before a ballgame. It would be sad if the practice has to stop because of one individual.


And once more no one said anyone couldn't practice religion.  We are not a Christian nation no matter what anyone likes to believe.  We are a nation of many people of many faiths and those of no particular faith, and you are free to practice all you want as long as you don't interfere with others' rights.  It isn't one individual who feels that way, but he was the one who happened to speak up in this particular area.  If you want to pray before a game no one is stopping you.  Religion has no business having to do with schools either...how would you feel if we started having all public schools have Islamic prayers as part of the day and said at at events instead of Christian ones?  You wouldn't like that I would bet.  This isn't even about who wants the prayers and who doesn't.  It is about the idea that one religious (or nonreligious) group gets to run over everyone else and run teh show.  

 

A moment of silence gives time for anyone to pray or whatever else or nothing, and on goes the game.  Nothing is taken from anyone except the privilege of choosing what religious ideas everyone else has to hear over the PA, and that is what the country was founded on...and that is what the law is about.

Originally Posted by b50m:

You can always stick your fingers in your ears. It might take 30 seconds for them to finish.

 

I think it is a 'much ado about nothing' moment. But we are now known national again.

 

Yay us.


Yes, and why should anyone need to do that?  We could just have a moment of silence so no one has to start sticking fingers in ears.  I agree it is much ado about nothing, and yes, we are national again for the same reasons as we usually are...sad.

Just for the record, I wouldn't want my statement I posted in a previous post about everyone not to believe in God and so forth read at a game either.  This isn't just because it's Christian prayers from my view.  It's anyone's religious or anti-religious views.

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by ferrellj:

First of all the government has no business having anything to do with schools. Can someone show me in the Constitution where it says it's the governments job to run the schools? Secondly it's freedom "of" religion not "from". We are a "Christian" nation that was built on the belief that all religions should be free tp practice. I have no problem with having prayer before a ballgame. It would be sad if the practice has to stop because of one individual.


And once more no one said anyone couldn't practice religion.  We are not a Christian nation no matter what anyone likes to believe.  We are a nation of many people of many faiths and those of no particular faith, and you are free to practice all you want as long as you don't interfere with others' rights.  It isn't one individual who feels that way, but he was the one who happened to speak up in this particular area.  If you want to pray before a game no one is stopping you.  Religion has no business having to do with schools either...how would you feel if we started having all public schools have Islamic prayers as part of the day and said at at events instead of Christian ones?  You wouldn't like that I would bet.  This isn't even about who wants the prayers and who doesn't.  It is about the idea that one religious (or nonreligious) group gets to run over everyone else and run teh show.  

 

A moment of silence gives time for anyone to pray or whatever else or nothing, and on goes the game.  Nothing is taken from anyone except the privilege of choosing what religious ideas everyone else has to hear over the PA, and that is what the country was founded on...and that is what the law is about.

Go to the Middle East and see how they start their days. Then stand up and tell them you're a Christian and you think they should stop praying at school. If I were to go into a Muslim community I would expect that. We're a Christian community and should be allowed to pray. Like B said you can always cover your ears if it offends you that much.

Originally Posted by teyates:

No you are pretty much wrong on several accounts.  If a group of Jewsih students were feeling ostracized, or a group of Muslim students were feeling left out, and that group of students went before the Board of Education and asked for either permission to voice a prayer, or for it to cease, I would side with them.  That is not what is happeneing here.  Mr. Green has no real concern with separation of church and state, what a joke, and you are a fool if you believe that as well.  The man does not attend school there, nor does he supposedly have children there.  He is being what I grew up to know as a "troublemaker".  He wishes to use the power of the courts to stop something that he does not agree with, and feels threatened by.

Atheists, humanists, or whatevers you chose to call yourselves this week, think they know what is best for everyone.  Let the students at the school decide, within reason, what they wish to do before their ball game.  It is their school and their event.  Just because you have no faith does not mean that someone else should share your loss. 

And no real Christian who knows God and loves God would condone the ceasing of a voluntary public prayer.  To do so is to bow down to pressure from those who think they know what is best for everyone else.  At the same time they know that God will hear the whisper as well as the outspoken prayer. But God thru Jesus instructed those who would deny him, he would deny also.


If any sect of students wanted to pray they can pray when they like.  This isn't about squelching the right to pray, and if the students went and asked to read their prayers on the PA at games they would be told no, just as anyone should be.  It isn't a prayer meeting for any one group or even all groups.  Maybe he is a troublemaker...I don't know him so I don't know, and I might agree if I knew him..I don't know.  But whether he is or not doesn't mean he can't be right about this law or have the right to want it stopped.  

 

The bolded part is ironic to me.  Abortion is legal in this country and discrimination is illegal, but bills and tricks and sneak attacks have been initiated all over the country by groups who want to limit or eliminate the right to an abortion just because their religious beliefs or personal beliefs don't gel with a person's right to choose, and gays and other groups are discriminated against by religious groups often, so how is he any different than those groups even if he is doing what you say?  Are they troublemakers as well?

 

I don't have any loss of faith, and not only is this about a law being broken, but I suppose if you could choose you would also have students allowed to choose which races could attend their schools, if gay students could be kicked out, or if only teachers who are Christian could teach there?  You know, there are private schools who do those things already, and that is why they are called private schools that aren't supposed to be paid for by taxpayers or sanctioned as state-approved religious schools.  No one is saying a person can't pray...once again...no one.  The real issue is people who have been getting to decide what is best for everyone have been challenged, and that can be uncomfortable...change is hard, but respect for others is a step forward and not backward.

 

Your last paragraph basically seems to say to me that not only does a person have to believe in Jesus and be saved to be a real Christian, but must also believe that how you think is the only right way to think to be "real".  This isn't about just atheists...as I said, when I was Christian this bothered me even then, and I have known many other Christians who felt the same way  No one is denying God by praying quietly at a game...isn't that acknowledging him?  I don't think I know what is best for everyone really...that is why  moment of silence was suggested so everyone can do whatever moves them.  Your prayers aren't forbidden at all, and if God can hear them whispered then please feel free to whisper them and we can all feel that compromise has been accomplished.

I think the term "Christian" does require a basic belief in Jesus Christ, thus the defintion does not mean a whole lot.  This is not an issue of race, and no one is denying anyone based upon their race.  Mr. Green has stirred a hornet's nest that should have been left alone.  It was not hurting anyone, unlike opression due to race, which I abhor.  Like I said this is more about either a troublemaker, or something that threatens his beliefs, you can make up your mind or ask him yourself.  There was nothing going on at these games that threatened anyone.

So now when the school observes a moment of silence, if a student begins to pray outloud with a bullhorn, will Mr. Green then ask for the courts to have the police remove all such equipment from the premises?  How then will he stop the student led prayer?  He could have left everything alone since it was hurting no one, but now he has opened a Pandora's box.  Like I said, a troublemaker with an agenda.....

Originally Posted by ferrellj:
Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by ferrellj:

First of all the government has no business having anything to do with schools. Can someone show me in the Constitution where it says it's the governments job to run the schools? Secondly it's freedom "of" religion not "from". We are a "Christian" nation that was built on the belief that all religions should be free tp practice. I have no problem with having prayer before a ballgame. It would be sad if the practice has to stop because of one individual.


And once more no one said anyone couldn't practice religion.  We are not a Christian nation no matter what anyone likes to believe.  We are a nation of many people of many faiths and those of no particular faith, and you are free to practice all you want as long as you don't interfere with others' rights.  It isn't one individual who feels that way, but he was the one who happened to speak up in this particular area.  If you want to pray before a game no one is stopping you.  Religion has no business having to do with schools either...how would you feel if we started having all public schools have Islamic prayers as part of the day and said at at events instead of Christian ones?  You wouldn't like that I would bet.  This isn't even about who wants the prayers and who doesn't.  It is about the idea that one religious (or nonreligious) group gets to run over everyone else and run teh show.  

 

A moment of silence gives time for anyone to pray or whatever else or nothing, and on goes the game.  Nothing is taken from anyone except the privilege of choosing what religious ideas everyone else has to hear over the PA, and that is what the country was founded on...and that is what the law is about.

Go to the Middle East and see how they start their days. Then stand up and tell them you're a Christian and you think they should stop praying at school. If I were to go into a Muslim community I would expect that. We're a Christian community and should be allowed to pray. Like B said you can always cover your ears if it offends you that much.


You are right.  They wouldn't like that much and you might not make it through the day.  That is why we don't have any official religion in this country.  It protects the rights of all the citizens to worship as they please or not worship if they choose.  That is the biggest difference between living here and there, and I doubt you would enjoy living there very much, just as many wouldn't enjoy living here if only Christian beliefs were allowed or tolerated.  It is why we are America and not the Middle East, and this is not a Christian country, state, or community.  The majority's religious beliefs are not the community's official beliefs, and really you benefit from that as much as everyone else does.  You may live in a Christian home and have your children attend Christian churches and schools, have them pray anywhere they like at any time, but you do not get to decide this community belongs to your religion...whatever it happens to be, and you don't get to make laws that make everyone else become Christian or worship, pray, or participate or be taught your beliefs.  That is why you get to do as you please...same law that says everyone else can too.  Sorry, but the majority in a certain area doesn't get to impose laws or traditions on everyone else whether they are the majority or not.  That's why there are churches and why homes are private and why private schools are built, but you do not get to impose religious laws on the community...sorry.  I am not in a "Christian community", but in a community that happens to have Christians among the other citizens. 

 

Once again...you are allowed to pray anywhere you want...haven't I said that before a zillion times?  

Those wanting to force a prayer on people in a captive situation like a crowd at a ballgame are no better than the radical islamist who force their religion on the unwilling.

 

The bible is clear in the new testament in calling public prayer something done by hypocrites for their own pride and display to others.  Go in a private place and pray.

 

I personally don't like someone praying at a ballgame or any other public event to the crowd that is not for a religious person.  Not everyone goes there to be a part of your theatrical display of your religious zeal.

 

This prayer in school and at public events didn't start until right wing politicians started using the prayer issue to fire up their base.  When I was in school in the 70s there was no public prayer in schools or at ballgames, and it was fine.   Anybody that tries to shout a prayer to bother someone else should be punched in the face and hauled off to jail.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

America is sliding down a slippery slope from which it may not recover, all because of liberalism, anti-Christian court rulings and minority (pick one)-held beliefs becoming the norm, rather than the rule. Collectively, America has asked....no, BEGGED....for it for the past 40 years. She may very well choke on it.

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dogsoldier,   those contending that school-directed prayer at such occasions as public school football games is unconstitutional are indeed a minority, but you should know that the Bill of Rights is expressly designed and intended to protect the rights of minorities.  I have to chuckle as I consider how often I have heard the right-wing cant that this nation is not a democracy, but is a constitutional republic and the related assertion (which is true) that the majority does NOT therefore rule, other than at the ballot box. Then along comes some issue such as this school prayer business, where the rights of the minority are entitled to constitutional protection, and all of a sudden the concept of majority rule is back in business with these wingers.  Where is the consistency?

Originally Posted by EvilGenius:

 

 

This prayer in school and at public events didn't start until right wing politicians started using the prayer issue to fire up their base.  When I was in school in the 70s there was no public prayer in schools or at ballgames, and it was fine. 

You must have went to school somewhere else, I went to school in the 70's too and there was prayer every day.

  Anybody that tries to shout a prayer to bother someone else should be punched in the face and hauled off to jail.

So it's your opinion that we whould make it illegal to pray out loud in public? Would you actually assault a person for praying out loud? I sorta doubt that you would, sounds like some tough talk without anything to back it up.

Originally Posted by A. Robustus:

The law is the law. It doesn't change to favor your point of view just because you don't like it. Mr. Green will win. Brooks HS and others will lose. No amount of misinformation, ignorant hyperbole and threats from theocratic nutjobs will change that. Brooks and other Lauderdale county schools will have moments of silence replacing official prayers in order to return to compliance with the law. Get used to it. City schools won't be far behind them.

 

Should Brooks or private individuals decide to pursue this matter legally they will be spanked and shown their place. In the process, they'll create even more precedent to bolster the Constitutional mandate of separation of state and church, making it easier for future Mr. Greens. Like I said, get used to it. Eventually, modernity catches up with us in the South and it affects the way we do things. This will be yet another lesson learned (but resented as usual).

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Robustus, you are the MAN!   You have said in the above post just about all that needed to be said on this issue.  The law is indeed the law and the constitution is indeed the constitution and both law and constitution guarantee that the unconstitutional Brooks High School practice of government-sponsored prayer will be discontinued one way or another.  Either the school system will respond intelligently and stop the practice or the matter will go to court and the court will order them to stop. Depending on which of these outcomes prevails, the dispirited theocrats will condemn school officials or the court as feckless cowards and fellow travelers of atheism.  End of story, notwithstanding all the theocratic ranting that has irrelevantly cluttered the issue and irrespective of all the ignorant emotional diatribes posted here and on the Facebook site created by whatever passionately misinformed advocate got his/her panties in a wad over this losing cause.

So I'm once again seeing the debate of whether or not this is a Christian nation and of course there's the propaganda that some groups put out that even make the preposterous claim that our founding fathers where mostly non-Chiristian but even if you wish to go with that then I can still throw out the unreversed U.S. Supreme Court case,  Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 437 (1892), which held that “this is a Christian nation.” <<<<-------notice the quotes!

Of course the atheist groups have a boxed response for that too and try to argue against it but there is no doubt that the United States is a Christian nation and was founded upon Christian principles. So anyway, if you want to argue against a person's right to pray then claiming that we are not a Christian nation is not a good point to try and base your argument on. 

Following is Superintendent Valentine's memo that was distributed at this morning's meeting with the principals:

I realize that many will be disappointed or disagree with the decision outlined in this memo. However, after research with and by the school board's attorney with regard to current rulings by the 11th District U.S. Court and by the U.S. Supreme Court, the direction is clear in what we must do as school officials and as a school system in order to comply with the law. These courts and others across our nation have ruled more than once that prayer organized, supported, encouraged, and/or promoted by public schools before a football game is unconstitutional.School systems who have refused to comply or who tired to evade these federal court decisions have been and are subject to sanctions including fines, damages, attorney fees, and potential loss of federal funds for educational programs. Actually, some school systems have spent large sums of money in attempting to fight this type of situation and have lost. While I do not personally like some of the decisions that I have to make as superintendent (as this is one of those), and when acting as a private citizen do not agree with all laws or court decisions, as a public official I have sworn to follow the law. The directive that I have issued today does that --- follows the case law. To do differently, would place the well-being of the school system in jeopardy while encouraging others to reak the law. That I will not do.

I respectfully request your understanding.

Thank you and enjoy the days that we have been given.

William L. Valentine
Superintendent
Lauderdale County Schools
P.O. Box 278
Florence, AL 35631
Phone 256-760-1300

Originally Posted by lexum:

Frog, question: should believers boycott businesses that are owned by atheists?

I wonder of Google is aware that one if their employees is invoking their corporate name on behalf of a personal agenda against school children.


I don't boycott any Christian businesses and I have no idea why someone would boycott an atheist's business for that reason alone.  I go where they have pleasant atmosphere and items at decent prices, and I avoid those that don't.  I wouldn't boycott a place just because the owner is any particular religion or none. What does that have to do with this topic?

 

And that is silly.  He didn't invoke any corporate name saying he works there..lol.  Unless he said Google told me to say this who cares where he works.  Why are all these other irrelevant things being added into this?  Who said anyone has any agenda against kids?  That is your own interpretation and I see it as protecting school kids.  No each student can do what s/he likes and not have anything yelled at them over the PA.  The agenda against children is a twisted representation of the situation.

Hi all,

There is a lot of activity on Facebook about this happening at Brooks High School in Lauderdale County.   Here are two with the comments I added:


Remembering Shoals:

https://www.facebook.com/remem...8016041?notif_t=like

Tonight on WHNT News 19 at 10:00:   400+ people in Killen come together to show the power of prayer in the wake of a letter warning the school system to stop pre-game prayers.  By: WHNT NewsChannel 19

My comment:  The Shoals area is my hometown and I do not believe ANY non-believer has EVER been damaged by hearing a 15 or 30 second prayer spoken aloud.  God bless, Bill Gray - Bred in Alabama, Fed in California, Blessed to be an American Christian!


And:


Denise wrote:  Everyone needs to go to www.change.org and sign the petition to allow prayer at our school events.  Type in Lauderdale County and it will show the petition, then click on it to sign.

My Comment:   I signed because the Shoals area is my hometown and I do not believe ANY non-believer has EVER been damaged by hearing a 15 or 30 second prayer spoken aloud.  God bless, Bill Gray - Bred in Alabama, Fed in California, Blessed to be an American Christian!


God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Yes, hopefully the CITIZENS will stand up and pray. Make noise. Be noticed all they way up to heaven. That is their right. But why in the world do they have to have the school's help in doing so?

Tyates, I admire your stance that you would simply walk away as the law is being broken by your own government. But I'm sure you understand that others might be just as passionate against the government breaking the law.  If one person doesn't speak up against crimes, we all lose.   

And concerning the superintendent's letter: He had to pay the school lawyer a few hundred dollars just to get this opinion. What in the world for? The law is about as clear as it can be and it is for the protection of the state AND THE CHURCH.  

Originally Posted by BFred07:

So I'm once again seeing the debate of whether or not this is a Christian nation and of course there's the propaganda that some groups put out that even make the preposterous claim that our founding fathers where mostly non-Chiristian but even if you wish to go with that then I can still throw out the unreversed U.S. Supreme Court case,  Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 437 (1892), which held that “this is a Christian nation.” <<<<-------notice the quotes!

Of course the atheist groups have a boxed response for that too and try to argue against it but there is no doubt that the United States is a Christian nation and was founded upon Christian principles. So anyway, if you want to argue against a person's right to pray then claiming that we are not a Christian nation is not a good point to try and base your argument on. 

More crap from another crap-meister. Lies and more lies.

Originally Posted by lexum:

Frog, question: should believers boycott businesses that are owned by atheists?

I wonder of Google is aware that one if their employees is invoking their corporate name on behalf of a personal agenda against school children.

lexum, are you aware that this is not against school children but for the Constitution? I didn't think so.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

The times, they are a-changin'....

 

 

 

And NOT for 'the better'........  And folks wonder why America is headed down the toilet. Idiots.

Look in the mirror, idiot.

I would, but I'm afraid you'd be standing behind me. Are you stalking me, jimbo?

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

The times, they are a-changin'....

 

 

 

And NOT for 'the better'........  And folks wonder why America is headed down the toilet. Idiots.

Look in the mirror, idiot.

I would, but I'm afraid you'd be standing behind me. Are you stalking me, jimbo?

Your disgusting, racist, Socialist, Fascist avatar is hard to miss and it is usually accompanied by an idiotic remark.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi all,

There is a lot of activity on Facebook about this happening at Brooks High School in Lauderdale County.   Here are two with the comments I added:


Remembering Shoals:

https://www.facebook.com/remem...8016041?notif_t=like

Tonight on WHNT News 19 at 10:00:   400+ people in Killen come together to show the power of prayer in the wake of a letter warning the school system to stop pre-game prayers.  By: WHNT NewsChannel 19

My comment:  The Shoals area is my hometown and I do not believe ANY non-believer has EVER been damaged by hearing a 15 or 30 second prayer spoken aloud.  God bless, Bill Gray - Bred in Alabama, Fed in California, Blessed to be an American Christian!


And:


Denise wrote:  Everyone needs to go to www.change.org and sign the petition to allow prayer at our school events.  Type in Lauderdale County and it will show the petition, then click on it to sign.

My Comment:   I signed because the Shoals area is my hometown and I do not believe ANY non-believer has EVER been damaged by hearing a 15 or 30 second prayer spoken aloud.  God bless, Bill Gray - Bred in Alabama, Fed in California, Blessed to be an American Christian!


God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Good luck with a petition to the Supreme Court to change the constitution. You really are a moron.

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