Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

The times, they are a-changin'....

 

 

 

And NOT for 'the better'........  And folks wonder why America is headed down the toilet. Idiots.

Look in the mirror, idiot.

I would, but I'm afraid you'd be standing behind me. Are you stalking me, jimbo?

Your disgusting, racist, Socialist, Fascist avatar is hard to miss and it is usually accompanied by an idiotic remark.


I challenge you to meet me for a cup of coffee to discuss our varying viewpoints. You pick the place. You'll find that I am nothing like you portary me to be. The ball is in your court.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

The times, they are a-changin'....

 

 

 

And NOT for 'the better'........  And folks wonder why America is headed down the toilet. Idiots.

Look in the mirror, idiot.

I would, but I'm afraid you'd be standing behind me. Are you stalking me, jimbo?

Your disgusting, racist, Socialist, Fascist avatar is hard to miss and it is usually accompanied by an idiotic remark.


I challenge you to meet me for a cup of coffee to discuss our varying viewpoints. You pick the place. You'll find that I am nothing like you portary me to be. The ball is in your court.

I "portary" you to be just what you have admitted to being. I have been around racist rednecks all my life. Why would I want to spend any time with one as offensive as you? Don't be ridiculous.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

Are you AFRAID that you will be proven wrong? Or are you just plain AFRAID?

I am not afraid. I am offended. I have heard enough of your misguided nonsense. I have know plenty of people like you and I am not interested in being around them.

I heard or read somewhere Green was going to start giving away used coats and canned food over this praying at brooks. It might have been on this thread. I was just wondering where his distribution center would be located. Jhimah do you know?

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

Are you AFRAID that you will be proven wrong? Or are you just plain AFRAID?

I am not afraid. I am offended. I have heard enough of your misguided nonsense. I have know plenty of people like you and I am not interested in being around them.


Yep. You're afraid to come out from behind your keyboard.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by BFred07:

So I'm once again seeing the debate of whether or not this is a Christian nation and of course there's the propaganda that some groups put out that even make the preposterous claim that our founding fathers where mostly non-Chiristian but even if you wish to go with that then I can still throw out the unreversed U.S. Supreme Court case,  Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 437 (1892), which held that “this is a Christian nation.” <<<<-------notice the quotes!

Of course the atheist groups have a boxed response for that too and try to argue against it but there is no doubt that the United States is a Christian nation and was founded upon Christian principles. So anyway, if you want to argue against a person's right to pray then claiming that we are not a Christian nation is not a good point to try and base your argument on. 

More crap from another crap-meister. Lies and more lies.

Where are the lies? Are you saying that the U.S> Supreme Court lied?

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

Are you AFRAID that you will be proven wrong? Or are you just plain AFRAID?

I am not afraid. I am offended. I have heard enough of your misguided nonsense. I have know plenty of people like you and I am not interested in being around them.


Yep. You're afraid to come out from behind your keyboard.

Yes, you are correct. I fear your 150 year old obsession with a lost cause. It appears that you are the one who is afraid of admitting the truth. It is you who are hiding behind an offensive, disgraced, loser flag. I have no need to associate someone who is as out of touch with reality as you.

Originally Posted by lexum:

It wont stop the praying. You just hide and watch. LOL

People will be praying with bull horns just off the school property.

I don't know why the people would go off the school property to pray, no one is denying that it's perfectly legal to pray out loud on school property, you just can't use the school's PA. Hopefully the community will show up and pray but I think bullhorns would be a bit obnoxious. 

Yes, all the good christians should just keep it up until they get the schools fined to the hilt OR other groups decide if it's OK for one than it is fine for all. Good luck with that two hour long "prayer meeting" before sporting events. Way to show the young kids that if you don't like a law all you have to do is refuse to obey it. But with young people being young people don't get upset when they start breaking other laws following the wonderful example put forth by the parents. And the next time I go shopping I'm going to park in one of those empty handicapped spaces and tell them the christians said it was OK.

 

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Yes, all the good christians should just keep it up until they get the schools fined to the hilt OR other groups decide if it's OK for one than it is fine for all. Good luck with that two hour long "prayer meeting" before sporting events. Way to show the young kids that if you don't like a law all you have to do is refuse to obey it. But with young people being young people don't get upset when they start breaking other laws following the wonderful example put forth by the parents. And the next time I go shopping I'm going to park in one of those empty handicapped spaces and tell them the christians said it was OK.

If the community decided to have a two hour long prayer meeting before a game, what are you thinking would be illegal about it? There is no law that would prevent such a thing but there are laws that protect their right to do it if they want. Anyway, who said anything about two hours? At my Church, if the preacher goes past 15 minutes then someone would clear their throat and point to their watch for a hint!

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

And oh yes, don't forget to notify the government and tell them the churches are ready to start paying their share of taxes.

So you are suggesting that non-profit organizations such as Churches, Red Cross, St. Jude, March of Dimes, etc should start paying taxes from the donations they receive?

If the community decided to have a two hour long prayer meeting before a game, what are you thinking would be illegal about it? There is no law that would prevent such a thing but there are laws that protect their right to do it if they want. Anyway, who said anything about two hours? At my Church, if the preacher goes past 15 minutes then someone would clear their throat and point to their watch for a hint!

 

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Not talking about your church. I said all the other groups which will ask to pray, chant, sing, whatever and start demanding equal time.

Originally Posted by lexum:

That means Jeremy Green will inventory all the tonnes of coats he takes in and pay tax on them?

Jimmih did you count on that when you signed up?

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i finally found it DA was the dude that broke the news.

here is his quote:

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"The Christians that have formed a facebook group called "Brooks Lions will Pray" They are the ones that have been the most vocal about the issue and are selling t-shirts to fund their cause to keep breaking the law and have prayer at the football games.

 

They have all decided to band together, regardless of denomination, and work for a cause. Which would be awesome if they were actually using their power and money for something worthwhile like feeding the hungry in our area or putting coats on the backs of children this winter. That is what Mr. Green is doing right now. He has been having a food and coat drive for a couple of months now. Instead they plan on using the money they raise to pay for a lawyer."

quote:    Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:
Not talking about your church.  I said all the other groups which will ask to pray, chant, sing, whatever and start demanding equal time. 

Hi Jennifer,

 

If I go to a Chinese restaurant -- I should expect to be served Chinese food.   If one goes to an event in Christian America -- one should not be offended by a Christian prayer.  America was not founded as a Muslim nation, nor a Hare Krishna nation, nor an atheist nation.   No, it was founded as a Christian nation -- and we have Christian prayers.  

 

If you want Muslim prayers, there is a flight leaving soon for Iran.   If you want Hare Krishna prayers, there is a flight leaving soon for India.   If you want atheist prayers, there is a plane leaving soon for Russia.

 

Remember the old saying, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do!" -- and when in Christian America, etc.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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If I go to a Chinese restaurant -- I should expect to be served Chinese food.   If one goes to an event in Christian America -- one should not be offended by a Christian prayer.  America was not founded as a Muslim nation, nor a Hare Krishna nation, nor an atheist nation.   No, it was founded as a Christian nation -- and we have Christian prayers. 

 

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No it wasn't founded as a christian nation. And knowing you you'd demand something other than chinese food and when you didn't get it you'd cry discrimination and prejudice and write letters to the restaurant's head office. Because just as in this case you think you should have your way about everything.

You people that think that it is your right to force a prayer on people in a captive audience situation like a ballgame, are the same type people that supported the ****s in Germany in attacking Jews.  You think that because you believe something everyone should believe it and you have no problem participating in a mob. 

 

There is no difference in having a prayer at a ballgame and me holding you down and farting in your face.  You should like the smell of my fart I believe therefor you should smell it.

Originally Posted by EvilGenius:

You people that think that it is your right to force a prayer on people in a captive audience situation like a ballgame, are the same type people that supported the ****s in Germany in attacking Jews.  You think that because you believe something everyone should believe it and you have no problem participating in a mob. 

 

There is no difference in having a prayer at a ballgame and me holding you down and farting in your face.  You should like the smell of my fart I believe therefor you should smell it.

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Evil hearing and smelling are two separate things do you suggest everyone should be blind?

Originally Posted by lexum:

In such a short time I have determined that Bestworking has a hate for Christian believers.

What is it best? Why all the hate?. What line of work are you in?


I don't hear hate for Christians per se from too many here, actually.  I hear frustration on all sides because the views of all Christian all the time or not any group all the time, but equality all the time and respect by all for all seem to be at opposite ends of the spectrum.  But then I don't cares who believes what as long as everyone has the freedom to privacy from others' religious beliefs, and some feel that religion is totally intertwined in everything and everyone should be able to see that.  

 

Those two views are very different for sure...of course there is disagreement, but it doesn't have to be hate if someone disagrees.

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:
Not talking about your church.  I said all the other groups which will ask to pray, chant, sing, whatever and start demanding equal time. 

Hi Jennifer,

 

If I go to a Chinese restaurant -- I should expect to be served Chinese food.   If one goes to an event in Christian America -- one should not be offended by a Christian prayer.  America was not founded as a Muslim nation, nor a Hare Krishna nation, nor an atheist nation.   No, it was founded as a Christian nation -- and we have Christian prayers.  

 

If you want Muslim prayers, there is a flight leaving soon for Iran.   If you want Hare Krishna prayers, there is a flight leaving soon for India.   If you want atheist prayers, there is a plane leaving soon for Russia.

 

Remember the old saying, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do!" -- and when in Christian America, etc.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Actually it isn't a Christian nation, but I can see why that would be important to you to think that.  This country belongs to all its citizens, including all the faiths and groups you mentioned.  So anyone who doesn't want to pray the prayers you do just need to leave the country?  Wow.  This isn't just your country.  I am a citizen the same as I guess you are, and that makes it my country too.  Wow.  

 

And you have the audacity to use that signature after you spew hatred and intolerance at anyone who isn't just like you and call others ignorant.  How sad it must be to be you and live in such denial and with such anger and sense of superiority that you feel if people don't do things your way and go to your church...if they don't pray the exact same prayers you do..that they should just leave because this is your country and no one else's.  If you ever wonder why I don't believe in God, read the post you wrote that I just quoted.  Perhaps more of a reality is that if you want the kind of country you just described you would need to be in a country with an official religion and a nice big thumb to squash non-believers under.  

 

Ugh.

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by EvilGenius:

You people that think that it is your right to force a prayer on people in a captive audience situation like a ballgame, are the same type people that supported the ****s in Germany in attacking Jews.  You think that because you believe something everyone should believe it and you have no problem participating in a mob. 

 

There is no difference in having a prayer at a ballgame and me holding you down and farting in your face.  You should like the smell of my fart I believe therefor you should smell it.

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Evil hearing and smelling are two separate things do you suggest everyone should be blind?


You can close your nose...lol.  If we have our fingers in our ears you can have your nose close with your fingers.  Then we will all look pretty silly I think..lol.

Originally Posted by teyates:

Its OK, I think Don Quixote was a "nut job" also.  He went around jousting at windmills.  Something that should have been no threat to him but he was "feeling pressured" I guess.  To each his own, but anyone who thinks that Mr. Green's action is going to suppress or calm Christianity in this region is nothing more than a Don Quixote.  He has a right to his beliefs, and I stand by the fact that he is evidently not to secure in them if he is threatened by a public prayer.

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It is merely opinion, and misguided opinion at that, that Green's initiative is intended or regarded as anything that would "suppress or calm Christianity."  Such an interpretation rests on the theocratic paranoia that characterizes those who believe that the "Christian nation" status of this country validates governmental sanction of sectarian religious exercises within public, governmental venues.

They are wrong on that--dead wrong--but they are so emotionally wedded to this bogus notion that there is no way for reason to separate them from it.

Oh well I guess my not having lived through a period of insecurity I don’t understand the frustration by best working. I just wish she had a sense of humor rather than the jackboot distaste she has for others. I like to pull chains, ,joke around and have fun and not be too serious

Originally Posted by EvilGenius:

You people that think that it is your right to force a prayer on people in a captive audience situation like a ballgame, are the same type people that supported the ****s in Germany in attacking Jews.  You think that because you believe something everyone should believe it and you have no problem participating in a mob. 

 

There is no difference in having a prayer at a ballgame and me holding you down and farting in your face.  You should like the smell of my fart I believe therefor you should smell it.

Well Evil, isn't it a great country that we have where you can express such an absurd opinion without fear of a backlash, I'm just glad that the law doesn't agree with you.

 

I hope to see as many as possible at the game tonight, Central (in Lauderdale County) will be hosting Sheffield. Maybe young Mr. Green will come out to admire his accomplishment. It's my understanding that a pre game prayer will be said although it will not be lead by the school over the PA. Maybe EG will show up and try & f*** in some of those cornfed Central boys faces or attempt to punch one in the face. That would certainly be an interesting sight to see.

Originally Posted by BFred07:
Originally Posted by lexum:

It wont stop the praying. You just hide and watch. LOL

People will be praying with bull horns just off the school property.

I don't know why the people would go off the school property to pray, no one is denying that it's perfectly legal to pray out loud on school property, you just can't use the school's PA. Hopefully the community will show up and pray but I think bullhorns would be a bit obnoxious. 

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What is truly obnoxious is the demand by persons of one faith that their sectarian prayers continue to be given privileged access to a public address system within a governmental venue. Let a non-Christian request the same opportunity and see what kind of reaction these Christian theocrats will have!

I understand your misguided belief frog and bfred and I cut you slack because you are obviously uneducated and ignorant about the concepts of the constitution and the founding of this country.   Many fled Europe for the new world to escape what you people are doing, trying to force your prayer on others by hiding in a mob of people.  You would be right in the middle of a lynch mob but you would never defend possibly an innocent man from being hung.  It is sad to see.  

 

It baffles me that you people don't understand that is very proper for you to pray, but it is not proper but you to bluster about loudly shouting your prayer and someone else.  Your rights extend only to where they interfere with the next persons right.  And it is not your right to gather a  mob of the unfortunate ignorant and uneducated like yourself to force others to give up their rights. 

 

That's what our men are in Afghanistan fighting against is people like you.  You pridefully shouting your prayer like a peacock are no better than t he Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.

Originally Posted by EvilGenius:
I understand your misguided belief frog and bfred and I cut you slack because you are obviously uneducated and ignorant  

You pridefully shouting your prayer like a peacock are no better than t he Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.

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You are very rude. I think you've just shown who is uneducated & very ignorant.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

So you are suggesting that non-profit organizations such as Churches, Red Cross, St. Jude, March of Dimes, etc should start paying taxes from the donations they receive?

 

Churches aren't legitimate charities, the others are.

Yea, I guess stuff like feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, education, shelters for the homeless, soup kitchens, youth programs, free counseling, helping the poor with utility bills to keep the heat on, transporting the elderly & disabled to Dr. appointments, grocery store, etc, helping people with medical bills, and the countless other things that Churches do to help out should not be counted as charity.

I really thought you were smarter than to try and use such a laughable argument.

Originally Posted by EvilGenius:

I understand your misguided belief frog and bfred and I cut you slack because you are obviously uneducated and ignorant about the concepts of the constitution and the founding of this country.   Many fled Europe for the new world to escape what you people are doing, trying to force your prayer on others by hiding in a mob of people.  You would be right in the middle of a lynch mob but you would never defend possibly an innocent man from being hung.  It is sad to see.  

 

It baffles me that you people don't understand that is very proper for you to pray, but it is not proper but you to bluster about loudly shouting your prayer and someone else.  Your rights extend only to where they interfere with the next persons right.  And it is not your right to gather a  mob of the unfortunate ignorant and uneducated like yourself to force others to give up their rights. 

 

That's what our men are in Afghanistan fighting against is people like you.  You pridefully shouting your prayer like a peacock are no better than t he Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.

Evil, I never said anything about shouting a prayer. You should really try and have some integrity with what you post. 

So anyway, I would love to hear more about your opinion that the soldiers in Afghanistan are fighting to keep Christians from praying? Please tell us more? I was really under the impression that they were fighting to protect our constitutional rights. Sorry if you think that freedom of speech is an infringement on your rights but fortunately for those of us who are rational, the law doesn't see it your way.

Originally Posted by BFred07:
Originally Posted by EvilGenius:

I understand your misguided belief frog and bfred and I cut you slack because you are obviously uneducated and ignorant about the concepts of the constitution and the founding of this country.   Many fled Europe for the new world to escape what you people are doing, trying to force your prayer on others by hiding in a mob of people.  You would be right in the middle of a lynch mob but you would never defend possibly an innocent man from being hung.  It is sad to see.  

 

It baffles me that you people don't understand that is very proper for you to pray, but it is not proper but you to bluster about loudly shouting your prayer and someone else.  Your rights extend only to where they interfere with the next persons right.  And it is not your right to gather a  mob of the unfortunate ignorant and uneducated like yourself to force others to give up their rights. 

 

That's what our men are in Afghanistan fighting against is people like you.  You pridefully shouting your prayer like a peacock are no better than t he Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.

Evil, I never said anything about shouting a prayer. You should really try and have some integrity with what you post. 

So anyway, I would love to hear more about your opinion that the soldiers in Afghanistan are fighting to keep Christians from praying? Please tell us more? I was really under the impression that they were fighting to protect our constitutional rights. Sorry if you think that freedom of speech is an infringement on your rights but fortunately for those of us who are rational, the law doesn't see it your way.

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