Semi, apparently football means more to them than their religious convictions.

 

As someone who is concerned with how we are going to keep the hungry feed and warm this winter, I am offended that they are making money on t-shirt sales in hopes of raising enough  to hire a lawyer and do away with our 1st Amendment rights.Of course this is all in vain. There is no way this will happen. They are so worked up that they are even more delusional and illogical than ever.

 

The hate this group is spewing, and the threats they are using to intimidate those of us that are dedicated to upholding the Constitution, is down right scary.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

Semi, apparently football means more to them than their religious convictions. 

As someone who is concerned with how we are going to keep the hungry feed and warm this winter, I am offended that they are making money on t-shirt sales in hopes of raising enough  to hire a lawyer and do away with our 1st Amendment rights.Of course this is all in vain. There is no way this will happen. They are so worked up that they are even more delusional and illogical than ever. 

The hate this group is spewing, and the threats they are using to intimidate those of us that are dedicated to upholding the Constitution, is down right scary.

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I don't get it either. That money could buy a coat for a homeless man/woman, a hot meal for many that hasn't had anything to eat........the list goes on.

It is scary to see how this could end up & not for the good either. After reading the junk on facebook about it, it's slowly reaching gang mentality, thanks to the Christians that wants to pray over a ballgame. 

I don't understand how if the idea is to live a life like that of Jesus Christ and follow his teachings, that becoming a gang and hurting people one way or another makes sense?  I just don't see Jesus encouraging his followers to pay a lawyer to fight for yelling prayers over loudspeakers or calling people names in his name.  

 

No one said anyone should stop praying...it seems more to me like a bunch of people who had things their way for a long time and just don't want to compromise.  How is that following Jesus?  Can someone quote me a Bible verse that says forming a gang and hiring a lawyer to get to pray over loudspeakers in that situation is the blessed and Christian thing to do?  No one said don't pray.

 

I would say that saying their own prayers or bowing heads before the game would be a shining example of following Christ, but how is this setting any example?  I'm not being snarky...just wondering how this movement furthers Jesus, Christianity, or does much of anything positive to help anyone be saved....or warm and fed, for that matter?  

Oh I get it, frog.

 

The only conclusion I can reach is that the reason they believe is *also* "gang mentality."

 

They believe because everybody else they know does and they persecute and ostracize anybody who doesn't.

 

Welcome to Alabamistan.  Be sure to leave your brain at the state line.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

Oh I get it, frog.

 

The only conclusion I can reach is that the reason they believe is *also* "gang mentality."

 

They believe because everybody else they know does and they persecute and ostracize anybody who doesn't.

 

Welcome to Alabamistan.  Be sure to leave your brain at the state line.

 

 

 

 


Wow.  The line I bolded is not only accurate in more ways than one (not just religion but other ways as well), but is hilarious and scary at the same time.  Alabama is a beautiful state and there are some wonderful people here...too bad the bolded part is true of all states around it as well, too.

Originally Posted by frog:

Can someone quote me a Bible verse that says forming a gang and hiring a lawyer to get to pray over loudspeakers in that situation is the blessed and Christian thing to do?  No one said don't pray.

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I'm sure Bill Gray can find one & turn it around to fit. He's in another topic about this chanting "AMEN!  AMEN!  AMEN!  PRAISE THE LORD FOR SUCH GOOD AMERICANS!" 

He's helping push people into that gang mentality.
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by frog:

Can someone quote me a Bible verse that says forming a gang and hiring a lawyer to get to pray over loudspeakers in that situation is the blessed and Christian thing to do?  No one said don't pray.

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I'm sure Bill Gray can find one & turn it around to fit. He's in another topic about this chanting "AMEN!  AMEN!  AMEN!  PRAISE THE LORD FOR SUCH GOOD AMERICANS!" 

He's helping push people into that gang mentality.

Yup.  Like I keep saying, a mob is only as smart as the stupidest person in it.  Not naming anybody specifically, but if the shoe fits..... Personally I think BeeG should check which end of his rusty ol' 'Assault-Rifle-O'-God" he's holding before he gets somebody to pull the trigger...

 

@frog: Yeah, 'Bama sure is a beautiful place, and I have met some really good people-believers and non-believers alike.  Good to know that not everybody is a GZ. 

 


 

I'm sure Bill Gray can find one & turn it around to fit. He's in another topic about this chanting "AMEN!  AMEN!  AMEN!  PRAISE THE LORD FOR SUCH GOOD AMERICANS!"

He's helping push people into that gang mentality

 

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Bill is one of those whose life I suspect couldn't stand up to scrutiny.

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by lexum:

frog, are you saying your insistance of no prayer is not SILLY?


It would seem that way only to someone who feels that insisting that everyone else pray as s/he does is reasonable and fair.  To the rest of the population it is that or whatever other word a particular person wants to use.

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frog this is how it works: one person is praying; the ungrateful hoard is either listening to the words, praying to themselves, paying no attention or thinking about something else. Total freedom on the part of attendees. ,.........mr. green is upset with that? Give me a break. Tell me that really is not a problem for you. i'm so upset over this mail situation. I'm offended.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

So dog, does that mean that we can disobey any law we think is unjust whether or not you do?

When Jefferson penned that statement, WHO was the rightful and legal governing body of what eventually became the United States of America? WHO had the right, UNDER LAW, to tell the American colonists what they could and could not do? Sometimes MORALITY supercedes LEGALITY.

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by lexum:

frog, are you saying your insistance of no prayer is not SILLY?


It would seem that way only to someone who feels that insisting that everyone else pray as s/he does is reasonable and fair.  To the rest of the population it is that or whatever other word a particular person wants to use.

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frog this is how it works: one person is praying; the ungrateful hoard is either listening to the words, praying to themselves, paying no attention or thinking about something else. Total freedom on the part of attendees. ,.........mr. green is upset with that? Give me a break. Tell me that really is not a problem for you. i'm so upset over this mail situation. I'm offended.


If what you say is true then why would it bother anyone to just not do it with the prayer of one religious group or another?  If you are saying that no one is listening anyway, but why not just have a moment of silence and get on with the game?

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

So dog, does that mean that we can disobey any law we think is unjust whether or not you do?

When Jefferson penned that statement, WHO was the rightful and legal governing body of what eventually became the United States of America? WHO had the right, UNDER LAW, to tell the American colonists what they could and could not do? Sometimes MORALITY supercedes LEGALITY.


Unless your version of morality isn't what the group chooses to follow.  Then you will most likely be pretty unhappy and want the law followed.  Then if neither is your sense of morality you are stuck I guess.  That is why we have laws....so one "morality" doesn't get to run over everyone else's.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well dog, I am as moral or more so than the christians. I'd say more. Anyway, could you answer my question-can we disobey a law because we think it is unjust? Yes or no.

In my opinion, YES.  Apparently the courts, on occasion, do as well. Otherwise, jury nullification wouldn't exist.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

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Then in my opinion you have no right to ever complain when someone breaks any law.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well dog, I am as moral or more so than the christians. I'd say more. Anyway, could you answer my question-can we disobey a law because we think it is unjust? Yes or no.

In my opinion, YES.  Apparently the courts, on occasion, do as well. Otherwise, jury nullification wouldn't exist.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

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Then in my opinion you have no right to ever complain when someone breaks any law.


You need to do more studying on the subject before commenting so absurdly.

Frog trust me it will all work out. You atheist have won the battle. No pray’n at Brooks.

Jeremy Green will pass out a couple of coats and a sack full of beenie weenies. Dark angle will go to Aldis, sack up a few specials. The stuff will eventually go to the Salvation Army where folks are trained in benevolence and the Greenies will poke their chests out and holler suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuweeeeeeeeeeee.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

Semi, apparently football means more to them than their religious convictions.

 

As someone who is concerned with how we are going to keep the hungry feed and warm this winter, I am offended that they are making money on t-shirt sales in hopes of raising enough  to hire a lawyer and do away with our 1st Amendment rights.Of course this is all in vain. There is no way this will happen. They are so worked up that they are even more delusional and illogical than ever.

 

The hate this group is spewing, and the threats they are using to intimidate those of us that are dedicated to upholding the Constitution, is down right scary.

 

 

I may agree with part of your post, but remember, you are now trying to tell others what to do with their money. (I disgree with their take on this also) and in so doing trying to take away their rights to spend at their discretion.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well dog, I am as moral or more so than the christians. I'd say more. Anyway, could you answer my question-can we disobey a law because we think it is unjust? Yes or no.

In my opinion, YES.  Apparently the courts, on occasion, do as well. Otherwise, jury nullification wouldn't exist.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

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Then in my opinion you have no right to ever complain when someone breaks any law.


You need to do more studying on the subject before commenting so absurdly.


What's absurd about it? You apparently think if you don't like a law you don't have to obey it, but you'd have a problem with someone else thinking that. Sounds like you're the one with the absurd opinion.

These people are misguided, but now William Valentine is not even allowing a moment of silence. I'm not sure why. Is this Valentine's Idea? The FFRF's idea? Green's idea? Whose idea? Other schools allow this time for reflection or whatever one wishes to call it.

 

William Valentine is not running for re-election, but he has hurt other school board members in not giving them advance notice of his news release. Please don't judge the entire board on Valentine's actions.

 
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
As someone who is concerned with how we are going to keep the hungry feed and warm this winter, I am offended that they are making money on t-shirt sales in hopes of raising enough  to hire a lawyer and do away with our 1st Amendment rights.
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 Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

I may agree with part of your post, but remember, you are now trying to tell others what to do with their money. (I disgree with their take on this also) and in so doing trying to take away their rights to spend at their discretion.

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Where is Dark saying she wants to tell others what to do with their money??? What I read was that she's offended that they're making money on t-shirts when there's much more important things that the money could be used for.

 

 

Originally Posted by frog:

 Can someone quote me a Bible verse that says forming a gang and hiring a lawyer to get to pray over loudspeakers in that situation is the blessed and Christian thing to do?  No one said don't pray.

 

I think it's in the book of Genesis where it says to form a group on a Facebook page, search the internet for the best lawyer that you can find, and sell t-shirts so that the lawyer can be paid to go and make it legal to pray over a school funded PA system!

 

Seriously, you people don't like their cause so you call it un Christian if they do not do as you see fit with the money that they raise, can you not think of a better argument?  

Originally Posted by BFred07:
Originally Posted by frog:

 Can someone quote me a Bible verse that says forming a gang and hiring a lawyer to get to pray over loudspeakers in that situation is the blessed and Christian thing to do?  No one said don't pray.

 

I think it's in the book of Genesis where it says to form a group on a Facebook page, search the internet for the best lawyer that you can find, and sell t-shirts so that the lawyer can be paid to go and make it legal to pray over a school funded PA system!

 

Seriously, you people don't like their cause so you call it un Christian if they do not do as you see fit with the money that they raise, can you not think of a better argument?  


I don't personally care what they do with their money as long as it's legal, and I never said I did.  The un-Christian part is the nastiness and threats to boycott people based on religion or other threats made to anyone.  That is not helpful or kind whichever side does it.  

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

These people are misguided, but now William Valentine is not even allowing a moment of silence. I'm not sure why. Is this Valentine's Idea? The FFRF's idea? Green's idea? Whose idea? Other schools allow this time for reflection or whatever one wishes to call it.

 

William Valentine is not running for re-election, but he has hurt other school board members in not giving them advance notice of his news release. Please don't judge the entire board on Valentine's actions.


I can't see why Greene would care about a moment of silence...?  I have no idea on the others.  I don't see how a moment of silence is a bad thing...hmmm.

Originally Posted by BFred07:

Seriously, you people don't like their cause so you call it un Christian if they do not do as you see fit with the money that they raise, can you not think of a better argument?  

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The point that some of us was trying to make was that instead of throwing money away to try & change a law that could take years & thousands of dollars was to use the money instead to feed/cloth the poor & homeless.

If a Christian doesn't see that, then by all means, use the money to sue!

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
As someone who is concerned with how we are going to keep the hungry feed and warm this winter, I am offended that they are making money on t-shirt sales in hopes of raising enough  to hire a lawyer and do away with our 1st Amendment rights.
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 Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

I may agree with part of your post, but remember, you are now trying to tell others what to do with their money. (I disgree with their take on this also) and in so doing trying to take away their rights to spend at their discretion.

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Where is Dark saying she wants to tell others what to do with their money??? What I read was that she's offended that they're making money on t-shirts when there's much more important things that the money could be used for.

 

 


 Semi, that's a judgment on her part. I said I agreed, but is it our place to judge how others spend their money?

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

 Semi, that's a judgement on her part. I said I agreed, but is it our place to judge how others spend their money?

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Christians judge Atheist, non-believers, & doubters every day. I don't think she was judging by saying she was offended & giving her opinion as to what was more important that the money could be used for.

That's my opinion, Dark may not agree that's what she meant.

 

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
 
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
As someone who is concerned with how we are going to keep the hungry feed and warm this winter, I am offended that they are making money on t-shirt sales in hopes of raising enough  to hire a lawyer and do away with our 1st Amendment rights.
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 Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

I may agree with part of your post, but remember, you are now trying to tell others what to do with their money. (I disgree with their take on this also) and in so doing trying to take away their rights to spend at their discretion.

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Where is Dark saying she wants to tell others what to do with their money??? What I read was that she's offended that they're making money on t-shirts when there's much more important things that the money could be used for.

 

 


 Semi, that's a judgment on her part. I said I agreed, but is it our place to judge how others spend their money?

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Since I am not a Christian, I judge at will.

 

I think its tasteless and very telling that they all go on and on about Jesus and his work and then worry more about whether they can pray to a captive audience over a PA system than what this kind of effort could do for the unfortunate and the ones that their Jesus told them to care for.  I for one don't take anything they say seriously. You are either a Christian or you are not. Pick one and stick to it. I might have a little more respect for some of them if they did.

 

So normally I don't tell people what to do with their money, but in this case since they are all insisting they are doing God's work I think they should actually put their money where their mouth is.

FTR, Dark, I agree that some "Christians" are notorious for their not putting their money where their mouth is--see anti-abortionists who don't help the poor. I still have no right to tell anyone what they can say on FB or how they can use their presumably hard-earned money.

 

We can comment all we want on how this group is not thinking before they speak, but we can't tell them they can't do it. At least that's what I remember from government class 30 years ago.

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

FTR, Dark, I agree that some "Christians" are notorious for their not putting their money where their mouth is--see anti-abortionists who don't help the poor. I still have no right to tell anyone what they can say on FB or how they can use their presumably hard-earned money.

 

We can comment all we want on how this group is not thinking before they speak, but we can't tell them they can't do it. At least that's what I remember from government class 30 years ago.

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I did not tell them they can't do it. That would be silly and very presumptuous of me to think that I could. I have absolutely no power or control over the idiotic stuff they post on FB. I also have no control over where their money goes, so I can't tell them what to do with it. I CAN say that I think what they are saying is ridiculous and what they are doing with the money is a huge waste when it could be used for so much good.

 

I do believe that is a comment Fire. Not a forced directive.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well dog, I am as moral or more so than the christians. I'd say more. Anyway, could you answer my question-can we disobey a law because we think it is unjust? Yes or no.

In my opinion, YES.  Apparently the courts, on occasion, do as well. Otherwise, jury nullification wouldn't exist.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

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Then in my opinion you have no right to ever complain when someone breaks any law.


You need to do more studying on the subject before commenting so absurdly.


What's absurd about it? You apparently think if you don't like a law you don't have to obey it, but you'd have a problem with someone else thinking that. Sounds like you're the one with the absurd opinion.


Once again, you ASSume too much.

Originally Posted by O No!:

And in MY opinion, that atheist group that puts up billboards all over the place is wasting money that could be used to help the poor too.


I'm not sure which ones you mean, but if they are anything that isn't helpful I don't see the point either.  If they have a number to call for support or provide information or something similar cool, but I would wonder if they equal the numbers of signs up to make sure people are saved.  

 

I figure we can all keep arguing or we can learn to all live here peacefully together.  Hasn't AL had enough history of hatred and bigotry that we haven't learned to see past color, religion, or other differences to practice some reasonable discourse and compassion for each other?  I'm not referring to you personally in this comment, No, but just in general.  We can unite or divide...what we we want our legacy to be in this life?  We made the planet a bit better place or we got as many digs in or proved how right we were more times than our neighbor?

Frog, I'm just pointing out that lots of different groups, associations, clubs, AND individuals spend their money on things other than helping the poor. To single out this group selling t-shirts, saying they should be helping the poor instead of hiring a lawyer is hypocritical unless one spends every penny of discretionary income on charity. Anyone who has a big screen TV, an ATV, or any other "toy" is dishonest if they point fingers at others for "wasting" their own money.

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