Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

These people are misguided, but now William Valentine is not even allowing a moment of silence. I'm not sure why. Is this Valentine's Idea? The FFRF's idea? Green's idea? Whose idea? Other schools allow this time for reflection or whatever one wishes to call it...

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You seem as paranoid and full of holes as Shoalanda (hmm...)
Mr. Green or FFRF had nothing to do with it. I think once they got clued in by James Irby on how illegal they've been and what the slap-down would be in continuing, they got so scared that they've chosen to instead go with an implicit moment of silence in between standing up ... and the national anthem LOL.

Effective immediately, football games are not to be opened with a prayer that is in anyway led, directed, organized, or encouraged by Lauderdale County Board of Education employees. To be clear. no employee may lead. direct. organize. or encourage prayer. Personnel may neither advance nor inhibit prayer.

Additionally, no student, parent, volunteer, or anyone else may use the public address system of the stadium or school to lead, direct, organize, or encourage prayer.

To that end, football games are to be opened with the following announcement by the public address system's designated announcer:
"Ladies and Gentlemen, please stand ............................... and now,our NationalAnthem."

(The announcer should give an appropriate amount of time for the crowd to prepare for the presentation of the National Anthem.)

Originally Posted by O No!:

Frog, I'm just pointing out that lots of different groups, associations, clubs, AND individuals spend their money on things other than helping the poor. To single out this group selling t-shirts, saying they should be helping the poor instead of hiring a lawyer is hypocritical unless one spends every penny of discretionary income on charity. Anyone who has a big screen TV, an ATV, or any other "toy" is dishonest if they point fingers at others for "wasting" their own money.


Well, I think the implied and sometimes outright statement that they are in some way better or have higher standards than others who aren't Christian kind of puts them at risk for being scrutinized a bit more than those who just do their thing and don't try to tell others what is right.  Yes, of course all the groups you mentioned above "waste" money in one way or another I suppose...but if they aren't telling others how lacking they are in values and morals it comes across a bit differently.  

 

I think personally if they want to use it for that, fine, but really if the fight is over them getting to pray over a loudspeaker they might want to get used to being called out for not doing something "Christian" with it.  Doesn't matter to me personally in the least what they do with it if it isn't illegal.

Originally Posted by lexum:

good grief frog you people have won the prayer at Brooks battle; what else do you want, a pound of flesh?


Was that a joke or serious?  Just checking...I would just like to see people being kind to one another and not being hateful based on what church someone goes to or doesn't.  Or maybe you were joking?

" ...but if they aren't telling others how lacking they are in values and morals it comes across a bit differently."

 

Frog, in this very thread there are many posts from ATHEISTS doing exactly that. DA and Jennifer constantly claim that they are more "moral" than Christians. Sorry, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. And for atheists to tell Christians that they should be held to a higher standard is laughable. We should be held to a higher standard because........we are "delusional"?

 

 

Originally Posted by lexum:

good grief frog you people have won the prayer at Brooks battle; what else do you want, a pound of flesh?

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We did not win. The abused and vilified Mr. Green, who was simply seeking to have the constitution honored and respected, is the clear winner here. The losers are the tunnel-visioned throwbacks who refused to intelligently acknowledge the obvious violation by the school system, something that anyone with a computer and a desire to understand could have found out in a few minutes of Googling.

Originally Posted by A. Robustus:
Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

These people are misguided, but now William Valentine is not even allowing a moment of silence. I'm not sure why. Is this Valentine's Idea? The FFRF's idea? Green's idea? Whose idea? Other schools allow this time for reflection or whatever one wishes to call it...

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You seem as paranoid and full of holes as Shoalanda (hmm...)
Mr. Green or FFRF had nothing to do with it. I think once they got clued in by James Irby on how illegal they've been and what the slap-down would be in continuing, they got so scared that they've chosen to instead go with an implicit moment of silence in between standing up ... and the national anthem LOL.

Effective immediately, football games are not to be opened with a prayer that is in anyway led, directed, organized, or encouraged by Lauderdale County Board of Education employees. To be clear. no employee may lead. direct. organize. or encourage prayer. Personnel may neither advance nor inhibit prayer.

Additionally, no student, parent, volunteer, or anyone else may use the public address system of the stadium or school to lead, direct, organize, or encourage prayer.

To that end, football games are to be opened with the following announcement by the public address system's designated announcer:
"Ladies and Gentlemen, please stand ............................... and now,our NationalAnthem."

(The announcer should give an appropriate amount of time for the crowd to prepare for the presentation of the National Anthem.)

 

 

I made a big mistake in high school and took French instead of Latin. What does A. Robustus mean?

Originally Posted by O No!:

" ...but if they aren't telling others how lacking they are in values and morals it comes across a bit differently."

 

Frog, in this very thread there are many posts from ATHEISTS doing exactly that. DA and Jennifer constantly claim that they are more "moral" than Christians. Sorry, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. And for atheists to tell Christians that they should be held to a higher standard is laughable. We should be held to a higher standard because........we are "delusional"?

 

 


No, I wasn't saying I hold them to a higher standard.  I was saying that they have said they do since atheists lie or the other things that atheists are regularly accused of by some who believe they are lacking or lost or have no morals.  Remember the thread on values and some said that morals come from God or whatever the exact topic was?  And all the comments about how atheists this or that or how they lie that was said on a different thread?  These comments are scattered all over here so I don't have the exact quotes to give you.  Then on a bigger stage we have people in Congress doing all kinds of things as they proclaim how awful others are who do them.  That was what I was referring to, actually.  

 

I'm not sitting here saying that my religion or my morals are better than any other groups', but it doesn't mean I don't have morals or values.  It just means I'm not sitting here telling you that atheists have better morals and how evil it is when Christians do this or that.  My point was that everyone does things that are wrong and most waste money in someone else's eyes, but since you have no idea what I buy and I'm not tell everyone how I am tied to the only right God and follow the only right book, it tends to come across a bit differently.  I didn't say anyone should be held to a higher standard...that is what some Christians say when they keep on about how atheists are somehow inferior and do all those awful things that Christians don't.  If they don't hold themselves to a higher standard than why think atheists don't have standards and just do whatever they want?  So of course when they do get caught the reaction is a bit different sometimes.  Doesn't mean that any group is better or does less wrong, though.

 

And I didn't speak for anyone but myself.  I'm no better than anyone else and  I do awesome and not so awesome things every day.  So I personally wasn't holding anyone to anything...was just referring to what I have read from some here and experience as well.  I didn't ever say anyone was delusional, and I do understand why some believe one way and some another way.  I don't even think this relates to religion completely anyway, but just as much who a person is.  One person can be atheist and pleasant, intelligent, funny, and tolerant of others, and can have an open mind, while another be rude and annoyingly close-minded.  The same goes for Christians and every other religion and group on the planet. I'm not classifying anyone here at any point on the spectrum, but just saying that is how it goes.  

So you're saying that those who claim to be more "moral" than others had best watch what they say and do, lest people judge them harshly for their "Do as I say, not as I do" attitude?

 

You have indeed seen posts from SOME Christians on this forum claiming that God has given them better morals than others. But you have ALSO seen posts from SOME atheists who claim THEY are more moral than Christians.

 

So far, it looks like both groups contain individuals who are equally guilty. Therefore, the entire point is moot.

Originally Posted by O No!:

So you're saying that those who claim to be more "moral" than others had best watch what they say and do, lest people judge them harshly for their "Do as I say, not as I do" attitude?

 

You have indeed seen posts from SOME Christians on this forum claiming that God has given them better morals than others. But you have ALSO seen posts from SOME atheists who claim THEY are more moral than Christians.

 

So far, it looks like both groups contain individuals who are equally guilty. Therefore, the entire point is moot.


Yes, that is what I was saying and you said it well.  And yes, I have seen posts from all sides that said things like that, and I agree and said before that all groups have members who say things that aren't in the best interest of understanding and cooperation.  It is easy for anyone to get caught up in the heat of the moment, and that happens as well.  

 

I don't think it is moot since in real life there is a problem as well.  Until all sides act like thinking adults and compromise, treat each other with respect, and deal with things that really matter according to all sides, there will be nastiness and innocent people (like the kids and those who are trying to have a business or just live their lives) will suffer.  We don't have to point fingers, but we can instead work together.  No one in our community has to be hungry or freezing, and it just depends on where our focus is what gets done here.

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by O No!:

Here's an example from five hours ago:

 

Hall of Famer
 
5 hours ago
 

Well dog, I am as moral or more so than the christians. I'd say more.


An "example" of what ohno? I meant what I posted.

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See what I mean, Frog?

 

Originally Posted by O No!:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by O No!:

Here's an example from five hours ago:

 

Hall of Famer
 
5 hours ago
 

Well dog, I am as moral or more so than the christians. I'd say more.


An "example" of what ohno? I meant what I posted.

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See what I mean, Frog?

 


Gotcha!!...feel better now?  I have said many times on this forum that I see things come from all sides, so why the need to point it out to me?  It has come from more than one on all sides...have I said that enough yet?  

Just pointing it out, Frog. There are some Christians on this forum with whom I have disagreed sharply. When they say something outrageous, I have called them out on it. Just wondering why none of the atheists on the forum ever object to some of the more outrageous posts by other atheists.

Originally Posted by lexum:

good grief frog you people have won the prayer at Brooks battle; what else do you want, a pound of flesh?

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"We did not win. The abused and vilified Mr. Green, who was simply seeking to have the constitution honored and respected",[contendah said]

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now thats funny

Good grief...what a mare's nest.

 

Please remember that there are nuts in every group...within every group are individuals who should be seen as individuals, not judged on the behavior of others in the group.  This goes for Christians, Atheists, Humanists, Muslims, Southerners, Northerners, etc.  Stop judging A by what B has done.  If you do, it reveals something very ugly in you.  Congratulations.

 

Personally, I think many of you need some chill out time.

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by lexum:

good grief frog you people have won the prayer at Brooks battle; what else do you want, a pound of flesh?

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"We did not win. The abused and vilified Mr. Green, who was simply seeking to have the constitution honored and respected",[contendah said]

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now thats funny

And just what is "funny" about it?  Do you deny that Mr. Green has been abused and vilified?  If so, go to the Facebook page on this topic and read what has been posted there by ignorant theocrats.

 

How easy, and how cheap and puerile it is, lexum, for polemically incompetent persons such as yourself to post cutesy little nothings in attempted response to others who are making specific points of argument.

Originally Posted by lexum:

Best, look at all the people you have hurt over this prayer issue just to satisfy a handful of atheists that don’t even attend the games.

Now that you all have won I wonder how many of you will buy season tickets now in support of your victory each year this prayer ban is in force?

Non of you that’s how many.

I tell you what, it offends me that the US Postal Service delivers mail to any atheist owned business. To show you want to be fair and reciprocate have your mail voluntarily stopped. After it’s Federal money being used for atheist religion.

Is my request unfair best? I know it don’t make a lick of sense but neither does yours.

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Your request is a sloppy device apparently intended  to create an analogy between the establishment clause of the First Amendment and the  provision in Article I, Section 8 granting the Congress the authority "to establish post offices and post roads." Your attempt fails miserably, since there is nothing whatsoever in Article I, Section 8 that establishes any nexus whatsoever between the delivery of mail and the religious beliefs (or unbelief) of any citizen to whom mail might be delivered.  There is, in fact, no overt or implied constitutional prohibition of delivery of mail to any citizen or organization.  Al Capone and Joe Dimaggio had equal rights to the U.S. Mail.

 

In other words, your argument is absurdly shallow, utterly irrational and entirely lacking in  merit.

Truly, "It don't make a lick of sense." It "don't make a lick of sense" for you to object to a citizen's efforts to have government officials in the county where he lives abide by the law of the land. It does "make a lick of sense" for responsible public school system authorities to have abandoned the unconstitutional practice of allowing sectarian prayer to be offered over the PA system at school stadiums. And it "don't make a lick of sense" for those who don't like this outcome to attack those school officials for doing the right thing.

Originally Posted by O No!:

Just pointing it out, Frog. There are some Christians on this forum with whom I have disagreed sharply. When they say something outrageous, I have called them out on it.

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O No, my friend, I used to love to read your post putting Bill in his place because you were right on in most of them. He used to say horrible things to you.

He's still doing it, judging others, making fun, & beating them over the head with his type of Christianity. But for some reason, you don't call him out on it anymore. In fact, most of the Christians here just let him slide as though it's ok & it shouldn't be.

Been thinking about you, hope you're feeling better.

 

semi, we gave up.  Most of us have tried to talk sense into him over the years.  He will not hear us.  Please don't take our silence as condoning his methods; we certainly do not.  Can I just say that I love it that you call anybody on anything?  I really do appreciate that, even when it's me.

Originally Posted by O No!:

And in MY opinion, that atheist group that puts up billboards all over the place is wasting money that could be used to help the poor too.

That is absolutely right.  Now let's take a look at those palatial mega-churches and great whacking big steel crosses planted into mountainsides in parts of the bible belt. How 'bout that great big 'football jesus' failure?

 

I dunno what it costs to rent a billboard for awhile, but I'm sure it's pretty inconsequential compared to what it cost to pay for architects, construction crews, lumberyards, brickmasons, plumbers, electricians, designer lighting supply houses, sound system equipment and installers, landscapers, sculptors, welders and painters among the myriad other support and consultation personnel involved in designing and building these colossal churches and monuments. Nevermind the utility bills for keeping these huge white elephants heated and lit all the time.

 

Wonder how many homeless and needy people could be fed and clothed if these chuches just decided to rent a storefront or put up a tent?

 

Probably quite a few.

 

Granted, two wrongs don't make a right-but three rights DO make a left.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
I dunno what it costs to rent a billboard for awhile, but I'm sure it's pretty inconsequential compared to what it cost to pay for architects, construction crews, lumberyards, brickmasons, plumbers, electricians, designer lighting supply houses, sound system equipment and installers, landscapers, sculptors, welders and painters among the myriad other support and consultation personnel involved in designing and building these colossal churches and monuments. Nevermind the utility bills for keeping these huge white elephants heated and lit all the time.

 

Wonder how many homeless and needy people could be fed and clothed if these chuches just decided to rent a storefront or put up a tent? 

Probably quite a few.

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Don't forget those $300.00 uniforms for each choir member, & $2000.00 suits for the Pastor the church has to pay for.

I remember going to Tent Revivals as a child.

Originally Posted by _Joy_:

semi, we gave up.  Most of us have tried to talk sense into him over the years.  He will not hear us.  Please don't take our silence as condoning his methods; we certainly do not.  Can I just say that I love it that you call anybody on anything?  I really do appreciate that, even when it's me.

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Wow! I'm speechless! 

Semi, I too realized there was no way I would ever change Bills mind about things. I got tired of fighting, so I PM'ed Bill and we called a truce. We agreed to disagree, and have been very civil to each other ever since. Bill IS a Christian, even if some folks don't think he displays Christian behavior sometimes. And you know what? The same could be said for every Christian on the planet.

 

I TRIED to call a truce with Jennifer, if you'll remember, and for your sake as well as in an effort to cut back on all the fighting. But she would have no part of it. So MY times of "not displaying Christian behavior" are usually in posts to Jennifer. Is it right? Well, yes and no. I will ALWAYS call BS where I see it, so there are times when I just HAVE to disagree with her.

 

Could I do it in a less confrontational way? Well, yes. But those times I TRIED, she came back at me with extreme nastiness, or refused to answer at all. I think others here can remember the times I have prefaced my remarks, "Jennifer, I'm not being snarky at all, but I do have an honest question".

 

So, although I am a Christian, I am also human, and just as susceptable to anger, or perhaps a better word would be annoyance, as any other human being. When one has TRIED, and continues to face snippy, snarky, insulting and often UNTRUE remarks, it tends to wear on one.

 

Thanks for asking about me - I think I'm feeling a little bit better. It's going to take a while, but concern from my friends helps.

First of all ono I have told you I have no interest at all in discussing anything with you but you persist. That is why you get the reaction you do from me. Now it is no secret to you or me that you love to see it when someone goes after me, and you love to jump in on it. Latest example, buttercup. Other examples, cage and your bestest pal in the world rum mama. You never have an "honest" question to ask me, you just want to fight OR tell me why you're so wonderful and right about something and I'm so "bitter, hateful, blah blah blah blah" and wrong in the way I see things. You go through these spells when you just want to fight with me and you start up. I know exactly what you want and you're not going to get it from me.  And for some reason you think you're the only one that can call BS on something, anyone else doing it is, again, hatefilled, bitter, and the standard list of ono's snarky adjectives.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by lexum:

Best, look at all the people you have hurt over this prayer issue just to satisfy a handful of atheists that don’t even attend the games.

Now that you all have won I wonder how many of you will buy season tickets now in support of your victory each year this prayer ban is in force?

Non of you that’s how many.

I tell you what, it offends me that the US Postal Service delivers mail to any atheist owned business. To show you want to be fair and reciprocate have your mail voluntarily stopped. After it’s Federal money being used for atheist religion.

Is my request unfair best? I know it don’t make a lick of sense but neither does yours.

****

 

Your request is a sloppy device apparently intended  to create an analogy between the establishment clause of the First Amendment and the  provision in Article I, Section 8 granting the Congress the authority "to establish post offices and post roads." Your attempt fails miserably, since there is nothing whatsoever in Article I, Section 8 that establishes any nexus whatsoever between the delivery of mail and the religious beliefs (or unbelief) of any citizen to whom mail might be delivered.  There is, in fact, no overt or implied constitutional prohibition of delivery of mail to any citizen or organization.  Al Capone and Joe Dimaggio had equal rights to the U.S. Mail.

 

In other words, your argument is absurdly shallow, utterly irrational and entirely lacking in  merit.

Truly, "It don't make a lick of sense." It "don't make a lick of sense" for you to object to a citizen's efforts to have government officials in the county where he lives abide by the law of the land. It does "make a lick of sense" for responsible public school system authorities to have abandoned the unconstitutional practice of allowing sectarian prayer to be offered over the PA system at school stadiums. And it "don't make a lick of sense" for those who don't like this outcome to attack those school officials for doing the right thing.


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Contendah you totally miss the point, it OFFENDS ME that the US POSTAL SERVICE delivers mail to atheists. I'M OFFENDED get it???? It's unconstitutional for me to be OFFENDED. I can't pursue happiness lying there in my bed at nite knowing there is a postman somewhere in the US busy on federal property assisting in the delivery of mail to atheists. It don't make a lick if sense that I should suffer this abuse.

Tell you what buffalo, contact the government, tell them to stop taxing me to give to that money pit called the usps, and they can stop my mail delivery. Not only do I pay taxes but anything I mail or ship from the post office, or anything that comes to me through the post office, has been paid for. Why should I have to pay taxes, yet pay to ship packages and buy stamps too?

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by lexum:

Best, look at all the people you have hurt over this prayer issue just to satisfy a handful of atheists that don’t even attend the games.

Now that you all have won I wonder how many of you will buy season tickets now in support of your victory each year this prayer ban is in force?

Non of you that’s how many.

I tell you what, it offends me that the US Postal Service delivers mail to any atheist owned business. To show you want to be fair and reciprocate have your mail voluntarily stopped. After it’s Federal money being used for atheist religion.

Is my request unfair best? I know it don’t make a lick of sense but neither does yours.

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Your request is a sloppy device apparently intended  to create an analogy between the establishment clause of the First Amendment and the  provision in Article I, Section 8 granting the Congress the authority "to establish post offices and post roads." Your attempt fails miserably, since there is nothing whatsoever in Article I, Section 8 that establishes any nexus whatsoever between the delivery of mail and the religious beliefs (or unbelief) of any citizen to whom mail might be delivered.  There is, in fact, no overt or implied constitutional prohibition of delivery of mail to any citizen or organization.  Al Capone and Joe Dimaggio had equal rights to the U.S. Mail.

 

In other words, your argument is absurdly shallow, utterly irrational and entirely lacking in  merit.

Truly, "It don't make a lick of sense." It "don't make a lick of sense" for you to object to a citizen's efforts to have government officials in the county where he lives abide by the law of the land. It does "make a lick of sense" for responsible public school system authorities to have abandoned the unconstitutional practice of allowing sectarian prayer to be offered over the PA system at school stadiums. And it "don't make a lick of sense" for those who don't like this outcome to attack those school officials for doing the right thing.


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Contendah you totally miss the point, it OFFENDS ME that the US POSTAL SERVICE delivers mail to atheists. I'M OFFENDED get it???? It's unconstitutional for me to be OFFENDED. I can't pursue happiness lying there in my bed at nite knowing there is a postman somewhere in the US busy on federal property assisting in the delivery of mail to atheists. It don't make a lick if sense that I should suffer this abuse.

You are the expert on offense. You are one of the of the most offensive people around.

Originally Posted by lexum:

Contendah you totally miss the point, it OFFENDS ME that the US POSTAL SERVICE delivers mail to atheists. I'M OFFENDED get it???? It's unconstitutional for me to be OFFENDED. I can't pursue happiness lying there in my bed at nite knowing there is a postman somewhere in the US busy on federal property assisting in the delivery of mail to atheists. It don't make a lick if sense that I should suffer this abuse.

As absurd as this whole thing is, you still have something wrong that none of the others has pointed out to you which makes the USPS the worst possible example you could have used (not that your argument makes sense anyway) The USPS is unique among other government agencies in how it operates, the powers & privileges it has, and that it doesn't operate on taxpayer money except that it receives some taxpayer funding to cover the cost of free postage for all legally blind persons in the USA and to cover the cost of mailing in election ballots from U.S, Citizens living overseas. All of the other funding for the postal service comes from the sale of postal products such as stamps, boxes, envelopes, etc.

With the above said, since the funding for the postal service is CUSTOMER supported instead of TAXPAYER supported then none of us has a reason to protest who their services are available to.

 

 

1.) Its workers have no-layoff contracts

2.) No post office can be closed solely because it loses money

3.) As revealed by Bloomberg Businessweek, the postal service is so dependent on low-profit junk mail for revenue that it has its marketing officer lobby to banks to not switch to electronic statements

Those are pretty substantial facts that are more than likely contributing to the postal services’ downfall. Last year, the USPS lost $8 billion, and was kept alive by a $15 billion loan from the Treasury. With problems continuing to arise in 2011, the USPS is in danger of defaulting on those loans in October.

Originally Posted by lexum:
 

Contendah you totally miss the point, it OFFENDS ME that the US POSTAL SERVICE delivers mail to atheists. I'M OFFENDED get it???? It's unconstitutional for me to be OFFENDED. I can't pursue happiness lying there in my bed at nite knowing there is a postman somewhere in the US busy on federal property assisting in the delivery of mail to atheists. It don't make a lick if sense that I should suffer this abuse.

You have the RIGHT to life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. You have NO RIGHT to actually BE happy.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:

This whole thread is a fine example of why religion is divisive and dangerous. Nothing is more dangerous than someone who is wrong who assumes that he is absolutely right, especially if he is also sure that "God" is on his side. History is full of examples.

 

Wouldn't you be more "in your mental league" at the Pokemon website, trading cards ?

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:

This whole thread is a fine example of why religion is divisive and dangerous. Nothing is more dangerous than someone who is wrong who assumes that he is absolutely right, especially if he is also sure that "God" is on his side. History is full of examples.

 

Wouldn't you be more "in your mental league" at the Pokemon website, trading cards ?

And RP lets him "inner child" out to play again. You really don't understand much, do you, RP?

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by lexum:
 

Contendah you totally miss the point, it OFFENDS ME that the US POSTAL SERVICE delivers mail to atheists. I'M OFFENDED get it???? It's unconstitutional for me to be OFFENDED. I can't pursue happiness lying there in my bed at nite knowing there is a postman somewhere in the US busy on federal property assisting in the delivery of mail to atheists. It don't make a lick if sense that I should suffer this abuse.

You have the RIGHT to life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. You have NO RIGHT to actually BE happy.

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Contrary to the blithering lexum posted, he has no constitutional right NOT to be "offended" on the basis of who does and who does not get mail.That is NOWHERE in the constitution.

 

Of course, lexum's device here is diminish the significance of Green's complaint by asserting  that   that Green was merely "offended" in some way.  But if he was offended, it was for a reason traceable to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.  Now lexum needs to tell us just what element of the Constitution protects HIS alleged right to be offended because some atheist gets his mail delivered.

 

With lexum, dogsoldier, we are dealing with a creature who has attained to a level of nincom****ery that has seldom been attained even on this nincom****-loaded forum.

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