Science Stunned by Virgin of Guadalupe´s Eyes

Engineer Sees a Reflection, Literally, From a Scene in 1531 ROME, JAN. 14, 2001 Digital technology is giving new leads in understanding a phenomenon that continues to puzzle science: the mysterious eyes of the image of Virgin of Guadalupe. The image, imprinted on the tilma of a 16th-century peasant,   led millions of indigenous Indians in Mexico to convert to the Catholic faith. Last week in Rome, results of research into the   famed image were discussed by engineer Jos  Aste Tonsmann   of the Mexican Center of Guadalupan Studies during a conference   at the Pontifical Athenaeum Regina Apostolorum.

 

For over 20 years, this graduate of environmental systems   engineering of Cornell University has studied the image of the Virgin left on the rough maguey fiber fabric of Juan Diego's tilma.   What intrigued Tonsmann the most were the eyes of the Virgin. Though the dimensions are microscopic, the iris and the pupils of the image_s eyes have imprinted on them a highly detailed picture   of at least 13 people, Tonsmann said. The same people are present   in both the left and right eyes, in different proportions, as would   happen when human eyes reflect the objects before them.

 

Tonsmann says he believes the reflection transmitted by the eyes   of the Virgin of Guadalupe is the scene on Dec. 9, 1531, during   which Juan Diego showed his tilma, with the image, to Bishop   Juan de Zum rraga and others present in the room. In his research, Tonsmann used a digital process used by satellites   and space probes in transmitting visual information. He insists that the image "that has not been painted by human hand." As early as the 18th century, scientists showed that it was impossible to paint such an image in a fabric of that texture. The "ayate" fibers used by the Indians, in fact, deteriorated after 20 years.  
Yet, the image and the fabric it is imprinted on have lasted almost 470 years.

Tonsmann pointed out that Richard Kuhn, a Nobel Prize winner   in chemistry, has found that the image did not have natural, animal   or mineral colorings. Given that there were no synthetic colorings  in 1531, the image is inexplicable.

In 1979, Americans Philip Callahan and Jody B. Smith studied   the image with infrared rays and discovered to their surprise that   there was no trace of paint and that the fabric had not been treated   with any kind of technique. " How it is possible to explain this image and its consistency in   time without colors, on a fabric that has not been treated?"

Tonsmann asked. " How is it possible that, despite the fact there is no paint, the colors maintain their luminosity and brilliance? Tonsmann, a Peruvian engineer, added, "Callahan and Smith showed  how the image changes in color slightly according to the angle of  viewing, a phenomenon that is known by the word iridescence,   a technique that cannot be reproduced with human hands."

 

The scientist began his study in 1979. He magnified the iris of the   Virgin's eyes 2,500 times and, through mathematical and optical   procedures, was able to identify all the people imprinted in the eyes.  The eyes reflect the witnesses of the Guadalupan miracle, the   moment Juan Diego unfurled his tilma before the bishop, according to Tonsmann. In other words, the Virgin's eyes   have the reflection that would have been imprinted in the eyes of any person in her position. I n the eyes, Tonsmann believes, it is possible to discern a seated Indian, who is looking up to the heavens; the profile of a balding, elderly man with a white beard, much like the portrait of Bishop Zum rraga, painted by Miguel Cabrera, to depict the miracle; and a younger man, in all probability interpreter Juan Gonzalez.

 

Also present, Tonsmann believes, is an Indian, likely Juan Diego, of striking features, with a beard and mustache, who unfolds his own tilma before the bishop; a woman of dark complexion,
possibly a Negro slave who was in the bishop's service; and a man with Spanish features who looks on pensively, stroking his beard with his hand.

 

In a word, the Virgin's eyes bear a kind of instant picture of what
occurred at the moment the image was unveiled in front of the bishop, Tonsmann says. Moreover, in the center of the pupils, on a much more reduced scale,   another scene can be perceived, independent of the first, the

scientist contends. It is that of an Indian family made up of a woman   a man and several children. In the right eye, other people who are   standing appear behind the woman. Tonsmann ventured to express why he believes the Virgin's eyes   have a "hidden" message for modern times, when technology is able   to discover it. "This could be the case of the picture of the family   in the center of the Virgin's eye," he says, "at a time when the family is under serious attack in our modern world."

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Original Post
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

 

Science Stunned by Virgin of Guadalupe´s Eyes

Engineer Sees a Reflection, Literally, From a Scene in 1531 ROME, JAN. 14, 2001 Digital technology is giving new leads in understanding a phenomenon that continues to puzzle science: the mysterious eyes of the image of Virgin of Guadalupe. The image, imprinted on the tilma of a 16th-century peasant,   led millions of indigenous Indians in Mexico to convert to the Catholic faith. Last week in Rome, results of research into the   famed image were discussed by engineer Jos  Aste Tonsmann   of the Mexican Center of Guadalupan Studies during a conference   at the Pontifical Athenaeum Regina Apostolorum.

 

For over 20 years, this graduate of environmental systems   engineering of Cornell University has studied the image of the Virgin left on the rough maguey fiber fabric of Juan Diego's tilma.   What intrigued Tonsmann the most were the eyes of the Virgin. Though the dimensions are microscopic, the iris and the pupils of the image_s eyes have imprinted on them a highly detailed picture   of at least 13 people, Tonsmann said. The same people are present   in both the left and right eyes, in different proportions, as would   happen when human eyes reflect the objects before them.

 

Tonsmann says he believes the reflection transmitted by the eyes   of the Virgin of Guadalupe is the scene on Dec. 9, 1531, during   which Juan Diego showed his tilma, with the image, to Bishop   Juan de Zum rraga and others present in the room. In his research, Tonsmann used a digital process used by satellites   and space probes in transmitting visual information. He insists that the image "that has not been painted by human hand." As early as the 18th century, scientists showed that it was impossible to paint such an image in a fabric of that texture. The "ayate" fibers used by the Indians, in fact, deteriorated after 20 years.  
Yet, the image and the fabric it is imprinted on have lasted almost 470 years.

Tonsmann pointed out that Richard Kuhn, a Nobel Prize winner   in chemistry, has found that the image did not have natural, animal   or mineral colorings. Given that there were no synthetic colorings  in 1531, the image is inexplicable.

In 1979, Americans Philip Callahan and Jody B. Smith studied   the image with infrared rays and discovered to their surprise that   there was no trace of paint and that the fabric had not been treated   with any kind of technique. " How it is possible to explain this image and its consistency in   time without colors, on a fabric that has not been treated?"

Tonsmann asked. " How is it possible that, despite the fact there is no paint, the colors maintain their luminosity and brilliance? Tonsmann, a Peruvian engineer, added, "Callahan and Smith showed  how the image changes in color slightly according to the angle of  viewing, a phenomenon that is known by the word iridescence,   a technique that cannot be reproduced with human hands."

 

The scientist began his study in 1979. He magnified the iris of the   Virgin's eyes 2,500 times and, through mathematical and optical   procedures, was able to identify all the people imprinted in the eyes.  The eyes reflect the witnesses of the Guadalupan miracle, the   moment Juan Diego unfurled his tilma before the bishop, according to Tonsmann. In other words, the Virgin's eyes   have the reflection that would have been imprinted in the eyes of any person in her position. I n the eyes, Tonsmann believes, it is possible to discern a seated Indian, who is looking up to the heavens; the profile of a balding, elderly man with a white beard, much like the portrait of Bishop Zum rraga, painted by Miguel Cabrera, to depict the miracle; and a younger man, in all probability interpreter Juan Gonzalez.

 

Also present, Tonsmann believes, is an Indian, likely Juan Diego, of striking features, with a beard and mustache, who unfolds his own tilma before the bishop; a woman of dark complexion,
possibly a Negro slave who was in the bishop's service; and a man with Spanish features who looks on pensively, stroking his beard with his hand.

 

In a word, the Virgin's eyes bear a kind of instant picture of what
occurred at the moment the image was unveiled in front of the bishop, Tonsmann says. Moreover, in the center of the pupils, on a much more reduced scale,   another scene can be perceived, independent of the first, the

scientist contends. It is that of an Indian family made up of a woman   a man and several children. In the right eye, other people who are   standing appear behind the woman. Tonsmann ventured to express why he believes the Virgin's eyes   have a "hidden" message for modern times, when technology is able   to discover it. "This could be the case of the picture of the family   in the center of the Virgin's eye," he says, "at a time when the family is under serious attack in our modern world."

To return to the home page of a Professional Doubting Thomas' look at
          Signs & Prophets of God click here  Home

 

.

More crap from a true crapmeister.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

 

Science Stunned by Virgin of Guadalupe´s Eyes

Engineer Sees a Reflection, Literally, From a Scene in 1531 ROME, JAN. 14, 2001 Digital technology is giving new leads in understanding a phenomenon that continues to puzzle science:

 

 

 

The scientist began his study in 1979. He magnified the iris of the   Virgin's eyes 2,500 times and, through mathematical and optical   procedures, was able to identify all the people imprinted in the eyes.  The eyes reflect the witnesses of the Guadalupan miracle, the   moment Juan Diego unfurled his tilma before the bishop, according to Tonsmann. In other words, the Virgin's eyes   have the reflection that would have been imprinted in the eyes of any person in her position. I n the eyes, Tonsmann believes, it is possible to discern a seated Indian, who is looking up to the heavens; the profile of a balding, elderly man with a white beard, much like the portrait of Bishop Zum rraga, painted by Miguel Cabrera, to depict the miracle; and a younger man, in all probability interpreter Juan Gonzalez.

 

In a word, the Virgin's eyes bear a kind of instant picture of what
occurred at the moment the image was unveiled in front of the bishop, Tonsmann says. Moreover, in the center of the pupils, on a much more reduced scale,   another scene can be perceived, independent of the first, the

scientist contends. It is that of an Indian family made up of a woman   a man and several children. In the right eye, other people who are   standing appear behind the woman. Tonsmann ventured to express why he believes the Virgin's eyes   have a "hidden" message for modern times, when technology is able   to discover it. "This could be the case of the picture of the family   in the center of the Virgin's eye," he says, "at a time when the family is under serious attack in our modern world."

To return to the home page of a Professional Doubting Thomas' look at
          Signs & Prophets of God click here  Home

 

.

More crap from a true crapmeister.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Jimi..., why don't you show me where this is wrong. Are you lying just to lie,

or do you have proof it's not true?

Secular science has proven the Tilma to be genuine and substantiated

it's accuracy.

Here's a goolge.............

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/fo...ligion/1851797/posts


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The tilma was wo ven from HEMP, a fabulously durable material.

 

"Two fibers of the tilma were lent to Professor Chiment for testing.  These fibers had been removed from the outer edge of the tilma when it was stored during the Mexican Revolution.  The test results showed that the fibers did not come from native cactus plants, nor did they come from cotton, wool, or linen -- fibers that might have been used in Europe.  Rather, the tilma seems to have been woven from hemp, a plant native to Mexico.  Hemp is one of the strongest fibers known, and hempen cloth can last hundreds of years.  This could explain the tilma's remarkable state of preservation."

 

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary...tations/samaha7.html

Originally Posted by Contendah:

The tilma was wo ven from HEMP, a fabulously durable material.

 

"Two fibers of the tilma were lent to Professor Chiment for testing.  These fibers had been removed from the outer edge of the tilma when it was stored during the Mexican Revolution.  The test results showed that the fibers did not come from native cactus plants, nor did they come from cotton, wool, or linen -- fibers that might have been used in Europe.  Rather, the tilma seems to have been woven from hemp, a plant native to Mexico.  Hemp is one of the strongest fibers known, and hempen cloth can last hundreds of years.  This could explain the tilma's remarkable state of preservation."

 

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary...tations/samaha7.html

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That report is speculation, wishful thinging. It's not an unbiased account.

 

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

 

Science Stunned by Virgin of Guadalupe´s Eyes

Engineer Sees a Reflection, Literally, From a Scene in 1531 ROME, JAN. 14, 2001 Digital technology is giving new leads in understanding a phenomenon that continues to puzzle science:

 

 

 

The scientist began his study in 1979. He magnified the iris of the   Virgin's eyes 2,500 times and, through mathematical and optical   procedures, was able to identify all the people imprinted in the eyes.  The eyes reflect the witnesses of the Guadalupan miracle, the   moment Juan Diego unfurled his tilma before the bishop, according to Tonsmann. In other words, the Virgin's eyes   have the reflection that would have been imprinted in the eyes of any person in her position. I n the eyes, Tonsmann believes, it is possible to discern a seated Indian, who is looking up to the heavens; the profile of a balding, elderly man with a white beard, much like the portrait of Bishop Zum rraga, painted by Miguel Cabrera, to depict the miracle; and a younger man, in all probability interpreter Juan Gonzalez.

 

In a word, the Virgin's eyes bear a kind of instant picture of what
occurred at the moment the image was unveiled in front of the bishop, Tonsmann says. Moreover, in the center of the pupils, on a much more reduced scale,   another scene can be perceived, independent of the first, the

scientist contends. It is that of an Indian family made up of a woman   a man and several children. In the right eye, other people who are   standing appear behind the woman. Tonsmann ventured to express why he believes the Virgin's eyes   have a "hidden" message for modern times, when technology is able   to discover it. "This could be the case of the picture of the family   in the center of the Virgin's eye," he says, "at a time when the family is under serious attack in our modern world."

To return to the home page of a Professional Doubting Thomas' look at
          Signs & Prophets of God click here  Home

 

.

More crap from a true crapmeister.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Jimi..., why don't you show me where this is wrong. Are you lying just to lie,

or do you have proof it's not true?

Secular science has proven the Tilma to be genuine and substantiated

it's accuracy.

Here's a goolge.............

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/fo...ligion/1851797/posts


.

If you believe this crap that is your problem. No "science" has ever proven this. BTW, have you called to get your cell phone on the no call list yet? This is not your first time to post pure crap.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

 

Science Stunned by Virgin of Guadalupe´s Eyes

Engineer Sees a Reflection, Literally, From a Scene in 1531 ROME, JAN. 14, 2001 Digital technology is giving new leads in understanding a phenomenon that continues to puzzle science:

 

 

 

The scientist began his study in 1979. He magnified the iris of the   Virgin's eyes 2,500 times and, through mathematical and optical   procedures, was able to identify all the people imprinted in the eyes.  The eyes reflect the witnesses of the Guadalupan miracle, the   moment Juan Diego unfurled his tilma before the bishop, according to Tonsmann. In other words, the Virgin's eyes   have the reflection that would have been imprinted in the eyes of any person in her position. I n the eyes, Tonsmann believes, it is possible to discern a seated Indian, who is looking up to the heavens; the profile of a balding, elderly man with a white beard, much like the portrait of Bishop Zum rraga, painted by Miguel Cabrera, to depict the miracle; and a younger man, in all probability interpreter Juan Gonzalez.

 

In a word, the Virgin's eyes bear a kind of instant picture of what
occurred at the moment the image was unveiled in front of the bishop, Tonsmann says. Moreover, in the center of the pupils, on a much more reduced scale,   another scene can be perceived, independent of the first, the

scientist contends. It is that of an Indian family made up of a woman   a man and several children. In the right eye, other people who are   standing appear behind the woman. Tonsmann ventured to express why he believes the Virgin's eyes   have a "hidden" message for modern times, when technology is able   to discover it. "This could be the case of the picture of the family   in the center of the Virgin's eye," he says, "at a time when the family is under serious attack in our modern world."

To return to the home page of a Professional Doubting Thomas' look at
          Signs & Prophets of God click here  Home

 

.

More crap from a true crapmeister.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Jimi..., why don't you show me where this is wrong. Are you lying just to lie,

or do you have proof it's not true?

Secular science has proven the Tilma to be genuine and substantiated

it's accuracy.

Here's a goolge.............

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/fo...ligion/1851797/posts


.

If you believe this crap that is your problem. No "science" has ever proven this. BTW, have you called to get your cell phone on the no call list yet? This is not your first time to post pure crap.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 

Jimi head in the sand....Atheists have researched this and they can't

disprove it or explain it. Secular science from all over has studied

this and they realize it's not a fake.

But then I didn't post this for the silly uninformed that you are.

.


 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

 

Science Stunned by Virgin of Guadalupe´s Eyes

Engineer Sees a Reflection, Literally, From a Scene in 1531 ROME, JAN. 14, 2001 Digital technology is giving new leads in understanding a phenomenon that continues to puzzle science:

 

 

 

The scientist began his study in 1979. He magnified the iris of the   Virgin's eyes 2,500 times and, through mathematical and optical   procedures, was able to identify all the people imprinted in the eyes.  The eyes reflect the witnesses of the Guadalupan miracle, the   moment Juan Diego unfurled his tilma before the bishop, according to Tonsmann. In other words, the Virgin's eyes   have the reflection that would have been imprinted in the eyes of any person in her position. I n the eyes, Tonsmann believes, it is possible to discern a seated Indian, who is looking up to the heavens; the profile of a balding, elderly man with a white beard, much like the portrait of Bishop Zum rraga, painted by Miguel Cabrera, to depict the miracle; and a younger man, in all probability interpreter Juan Gonzalez.

 

In a word, the Virgin's eyes bear a kind of instant picture of what
occurred at the moment the image was unveiled in front of the bishop, Tonsmann says. Moreover, in the center of the pupils, on a much more reduced scale,   another scene can be perceived, independent of the first, the

scientist contends. It is that of an Indian family made up of a woman   a man and several children. In the right eye, other people who are   standing appear behind the woman. Tonsmann ventured to express why he believes the Virgin's eyes   have a "hidden" message for modern times, when technology is able   to discover it. "This could be the case of the picture of the family   in the center of the Virgin's eye," he says, "at a time when the family is under serious attack in our modern world."

To return to the home page of a Professional Doubting Thomas' look at
          Signs & Prophets of God click here  Home

 

.

More crap from a true crapmeister.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Jimi..., why don't you show me where this is wrong. Are you lying just to lie,

or do you have proof it's not true?

Secular science has proven the Tilma to be genuine and substantiated

it's accuracy.

Here's a goolge.............

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/fo...ligion/1851797/posts


.

If you believe this crap that is your problem. No "science" has ever proven this. BTW, have you called to get your cell phone on the no call list yet? This is not your first time to post pure crap.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 

Jimi head in the sand....Atheists have researched this and they can't

disprove it or explain it. Secular science from all over has studied

this and they realize it's not a fake.

But then I didn't post this for the silly uninformed that you are.

.


 

Not only do you believe in this crap, you also lie about it. I am neithr silly or uninformed. Those two words, however, fit you precisely.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
 


.If you believe this crap that is your problem. No "science" has ever proven this. BTW, have you called to get your cell phone on the no call list yet? This is not your first time to post pure crap.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 

Jimi head in the sand....Atheists have researched this and they can't

disprove it or explain it. Secular science from all over has studied

this and they realize it's not a fake.

But then I didn't post this for the silly uninformed that you are.

.


 

Not only do you believe in this crap, you also lie about it. I am neithr silly or uninformed. Those two words, however, fit you precisely.

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....Thats a good boy jamma, you hang in there.

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
 


.If you believe this crap that is your problem. No "science" has ever proven this. BTW, have you called to get your cell phone on the no call list yet? This is not your first time to post pure crap.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 

Jimi head in the sand....Atheists have researched this and they can't

disprove it or explain it. Secular science from all over has studied

this and they realize it's not a fake.

But then I didn't post this for the silly uninformed that you are.

.


 

Not only do you believe in this crap, you also lie about it. I am neithr silly or uninformed. Those two words, however, fit you precisely.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....Thats a good boy jamma, you hang in there.

Idiot.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
 

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

 

Jimi head in the sand....Atheists have researched this and they can't

disprove it or explain it. Secular science from all over has studied

this and they realize it's not a fake.

But then I didn't post this for the silly uninformed that you are.

.


 Not only do you believe in this crap, you also lie about it. I am neithr silly or uninformed. Those two words, however, fit you precisely.

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----Said little boy pink-----------

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....Thats a good boy jamma, you hang in there.

Idiot.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Jimi head in the sand....Atheists have researched this and they can't

disprove it or explain it. Secular science from all over has studied

this and they realize it's not a fake.

But then I didn't post this for the silly uninformed that you are.

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jammaboy, you called me an idiot, I'll be a while getting over that,

 

Nobody knows the trouble I've seem.

 

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