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Gun-Control Advocates Resigned To Few Changes In Wake of Shooting

ButtercupButtercupPost Master
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...hanges_n_806788.html

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WASHINGTON -- The horrific shooting of 20 individuals, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), at a Tucson meet-and-greet this past weekend would seem likely to prompt legislative tightening of the nation's gun laws, but the early word has been just the opposite.

In the shooting's immediate aftermath, the inclination -- from the sets of cable news shows to the desks of political reporters and the halls of Congress -- has been to dismiss attempts at gun control as futile. Instead, talk has centered around political rhetoric and the motivations of those who used the guns, rather than the accessibility of guns themselves.

So far only one legislative response has been authored. And in terms of reach -- restricting the availability of large-capacity clips like the one used by the alleged Tucson shooter, Jared Loughner -- even its principle backer acknowledges it comes up short....


No wonder it was so easy for this guy to obtain a gun:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...l?wprss=rss_politics

Gun used in Tucson was purchased legally; Arizona laws among most lax in nation
By James V. Grimaldi and Fredrick Kunkle

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When Jared Lee Loughner went to the Sportsman's Warehouse outlet on Nov. 30, he faced few obstacles to walking away with a Glock 19 semiautomatic handgun. Loughner was making the purchase in Arizona, a state with an Old West culture where gun laws are among the most lenient in the United States.

The 22-year-old passed an instant background check required under federal law for all gun buyers, said Reese Widmer, manager of the Tucson store. A law enacted last year allowed Loughner to conceal and carry the pistol without a permit....
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C CaduceusEverybody Knows My Name
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Originally posted by b50m:
The waiting period has been extended, but of course there are ways to get around it.

What is more scary is you can buy a shot gun and ammo at Walmart and walk out the door with both in 5 minutes.


See, that's the kind of thing that I have problems with. I'm not saying get rid of gun shows and tax guns and all that. Just to use a little common sense when it comes to guns. Guns are a great recreational activity, and are a lot of fun, automatic, semi-automatic, doesn't matter; however, they are deadly weapons. There shouldn't at least be a way to go and buy a gun like it's nothing.
Flatus the AncientFlatus the AncientHall of Famer
A few miles south of Tucson is a country with much more draconian gun laws and those laws really seem to be working for Mexico. People there don't need to worry about ugly plastic pistols. There they worry about ex-Mexican guv'ment issue M-16's and M-4's, Chinese or old Soviet Block AK's (actual assault weapons), RPK's and RPG's. Oh yeah, they also have need to be a little concerned about some minor popguns smuggled in from the US.
C CaduceusEverybody Knows My Name
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Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
A few miles south of Tucson is a country with much more draconian gun laws and those laws really seem to be working for Mexico. People there don't need to worry about ugly plastic pistols. There they worry about ex-Mexican guv'ment issue M-16's and M-4's, Chinese or old Soviet Block AK's (actual assault weapons), RPK's and RPG's. Oh yeah, they also have need to be a little concerned about some minor popguns smuggled in from the US.


Ugly plastic pistols? Come on now, glocks need a little more credit than that. Although jamming because you don't hold it tight enough is a bit much. I am more of a H&K or Beretta guy myself, but give glock some credit.
ButtercupButtercupPost Master
The USA is the World's Most Violent Industrialized Country when it Comes to Mass Shootings
Cassandra James

http://www.associatedcontent.c...olent_pg2.html?cat=9

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The United States is now the most violent country in the industrialized world when it comes to school shootings and mass shootings. 2007 has been particularly bad for shootings in the USA and the year hasn't ended yet.

This week alone, there has been a shooting at a mall in Omaha, Nebraska with 9 people dying, and two church shootings in Colorado killing at least five people. The Virginia Tech massacre in April, 2007, was the deadliest school shooting in US history, killing 32 people. Columbine High School is now the most famous high school in the world - but for all the wrong reasons. While violent crime overall has declined in the US in recent years, mass shootings are on the rise.

Almost every month in the US there is a mass shooting and sometimes, like this month, more than one. Compared to the rest of the world, which saw only one school shooting this year, at a school in Finland, the United States has had four. I am an American teacher in Thailand, and one of the reasons I left the United States is that I wouldn't teach in the United States again, due to the violence, the drugs, the gangs and the disrespect of teachers. In Thailand, and in most other countries in Asia, this sorry state of affairs just doesn't exist. Why is this?

Being a family-oriented society definitely seems to have something to do with the lack of school shootings. People in the United States talk about it being a family-oriented society but I never really saw that. Instead I saw a society of people who work all the time so they can buy the newest flashy car, the latest electronic gadgets, or the biggest house. I also saw many people who lived thousands of miles from their families, often on the other side of the country. Many of them saw their families only once a year and spoke to them on the phone only a few times a year. Coming from a family where we call each other four or five times a week no matter where we are, I just never understood that.

In Asia, societies are truly family-oriented. They take care of young and old and, in many Asian countries, families all live in one house or compound. Recently, I have been teaching corporate English to adults, 90% of whom are married with children and living with either their parents or their spouse's parents. Of course, some of this is because of financial necessity but most of it is because of family closeness.

Most of my students cannot imagine living away from their families, and the few who do are not happy about it. In Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and China the vast majority of their citizens live either with family or close to family. They also have the lowest mass shootings in the world. Japan was even recently named as the number 5 safest country in the world according to the Global Peace Index....

b50mb50mOld Faithful
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Originally posted by seeweed:
We had some laws in effect before Bush and his Congress allowed them to expire , that limited the number of bullets in a clip.
He had clips holding 33 bullets. May have made a difference , may not, but it may be we will re-visit the Brady bill as a result of this.


State laws can enact bans on them and have. At least six states have bans on large magazines.
JenniferJenniferOld Faithful
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May have made a difference , may not, but it may be we will re-visit the Brady bill as a result of this.


New York Daily News
March 22, 2002 08:15:00


WASHINGTON - Gun-control advocate Sarah Brady bought her son a powerful rifle for Christmas in 2000 - and may have skirted Delaware state background-check requirements, the New York Daily News has learned.

Brady reveals in a new memoir that she bought James Brady Jr. a Remington .30-06, complete with scope and safety lock, at a Lewes, Del., gun shop.

"I can't describe how I felt when I picked up that rifle, loaded it into my little car and drove home," she writes. "It seemed so incredibly strange: Sarah Brady, of all people, packing heat."

Brady became a household name as a crusader for stricter gun-control laws after her husband, James, then the White House press secretary, was seriously wounded in a 1981 assassination attempt on then-President Ronald Reagan.
elinterventor01elinterventor01Post Master
Anyone thinking the US is a very violent society compared with the rest of the world, hasn't been keeping up.

"The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.
Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour. "


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...outh-Africa-U-S.html

Paris and London are much more violent than NYC.

"A new report has found that Londoners are six times more likely to be robbed or assaulted than New Yorkers, that their cost of living is nearly 40% higher, and that their largest university, the University of London, has just 125,000 students, compared with the City University of New York's 450,000 students."

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/...n-a-new-study/83495/

The reporting of crime in Paris is rigged as I discovered while working there. The massive car-be-ques go unreported as do crimes by the north African youths.
JuanHuntJuanHuntHall of Famer
Crime rate summary in London and New York City 2010


London, for 12 months to October 2010

* Murder - 119
* Rape - 3,159
* Robbery - 34,259
* Assault - 172,940
* Burglary - 89,385
* Motor vehicle crime - 99,842


New York City Figures for the year to date up to 21st November 2010

* Murder - 476
* Rape - 1,249
* Robbery - 17,263
* Assault - 15,208
* Burglary - 16,549
* Grand Larceny - 33,377
* Grand Larceny Auto - 9,315
elinterventor01elinterventor01Post Master
quote:
Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Crime rate summary in London and New York City 2010


London, for 12 months to October 2010

* Murder - 119
* Rape - 3,159
* Robbery - 34,259
* Assault - 172,940
* Burglary - 89,385
* Motor vehicle crime - 99,842


New York City Figures for the year to date up to 21st November 2010

* Murder - 476
* Rape - 1,249
* Robbery - 17,263
* Assault - 15,208
* Burglary - 16,549
* Grand Larceny - 33,377
* Grand Larceny Auto - 9,315


Yes, Giuliani's changes brought down the murder rates significantly from 2,000 to 2,500 annually, to under 500. If, we could rid NYC of the illegal alien gangs, the rate would descend even further. At least most of the murders are gangsters killing gangsters. Otherwise, NYC is a much safer place to visit than London.
marksw59marksw59Post Master
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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Crime rate summary in London and New York City 2010


London, for 12 months to October 2010

* Murder - 119
* Rape - 3,159
* Robbery - 34,259
* Assault - 172,940
* Burglary - 89,385
* Motor vehicle crime - 99,842


New York City Figures for the year to date up to 21st November 2010

* Murder - 476
* Rape - 1,249
* Robbery - 17,263
* Assault - 15,208
* Burglary - 16,549
* Grand Larceny - 33,377
* Grand Larceny Auto - 9,315


Is that "per capita" numbers?
dogsoldier0513dogsoldier0513Old Faithful
A gun is only as 'good or bad' as the person wielding it.

Currently, firearms purchased via FFL dealers in the USA must, by law, go through the NICS system (the FBI administers this). That means that the deranged individual WAS vetted by the FBI and OK'd to legally purchase the Glock that he used.

As for Glocks jamming when not held properly: This is a FACT and WILL occur IF the Glock is not held properly. The term used for this condition is called 'limp wristing'.

BTW...the 'feeding devices' used in most semi-automatic firearms are called MAGAZINES...not 'clips'.

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